Talk:State Intelligence Agency (Indonesia)
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[edit]If you wade through this, it is clearly an editorial, not a N-POV article. ...It is beyond cleaning up. 67.70.2.2 16:16, 16 December 2005 (UTC)Craig
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General presentation
[edit]The organizational structure is way too long, filling most of the content, which is a kind of Undue Weight. I suggest listing only to the level of Bureau and Deputy, with no further depth. Anyone who wants more details can go to the official BIN web site.
Also, considering that the Christian Science Monitor article about expansion "alarming reformers" is cited in the lede, there is clearly a need for a Criticisms or Controversies section to solidify NPOV. I'm not qualified to create that content, though. Martindo (talk) 00:10, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- Cut a big chunk of the organizational structure, but would appreciate someone else looking at it to see if typical reader actually needs the amount of detail retained. Alternative: split into a separate page. Martindo (talk) 01:36, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
Suggested changes to Activities
[edit]In sequence as shown on the page at this moment in time:
- Onta 1973 -- cut entirely. Nothing substantial was accomplished. Saying "never found important information" does not indicate the value of BIN in Indonesia's security.
- Spies 1982 -- this is a clear accomplishment, needs cleanup though.
- Tim Tim 1998 -- add a sentence to explain a little more.
- Allegations 2002 -- sounds like TWO events: false reports to DPR plus Australian meddling, so split into two separate items.
- SAT-81 in 2002 -- a solid accomplishment, but add a sentence about al-Faruq so readers can see significance immediately.
- Australia 2004 -- spying/recruiting is routine among countries, cut this unless notability can be clearly shown.
- Funding 2005 -- significant but add a sentence to explain context of suspension/restart of US training/aid.
- Munir assassination -- add date of his trip as well as its purpose (to present evidence at a conference).
- BKPM 2015 -- cite a specific example of "stymie" and explain why BIN should be involved in investment decisions.
- Militants 2020 -- update if necessary.
- Covid vaccination -- cited article refers only to 1 district (within Banten), so cut item because it's not a national effort (many organizations were involved in expanding vaccination coverage, nothing notable about BIN helping in a single distrct).
- Taliban 2021 -- clarify, because it sounds as much like an alliance as a preventive action.
- CAR report 2022 -- looks like a rumor, cut item until more definitive information can be obtained. Martindo (talk) 00:33, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- To summarize:
- Cut #1, 6, 11, 13
- Split #4 into two items
- Move #3, 4, 7, 8, 9 to a new Controversies section, add #13 if Reliable Sources can be found to confirm the rumor
- Martindo (talk) 00:40, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- Sounds like a good idea... I will follow up and edit the article anytime soon. Ckfasdf (talk) 07:57, 19 December 2023 (UTC)