Talk:Red (Taylor Swift album)

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Red (Taylor Swift album) article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Archives: 1: 60 days

Red (Taylor Swift album) is a featured article; it (or a previous version of it) has been identified as one of the best articles produced by the Wikipedia community. Even so, if you can update or improve it, please do so.

Red (Taylor Swift album) is part of the Taylor Swift original studio albums series, a good topic. This is identified as among the best series of articles produced by the Wikipedia community. If you can update or improve it, please do so.

Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
July 19, 2021	Good article nominee	Listed
August 7, 2021	Peer review	Reviewed
November 3, 2021	Featured article candidate	Promoted
September 19, 2023	Good topic candidate	Promoted
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on August 5, 2021. The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the title of the album Red by Taylor Swift refers to the tumultuous "red" emotions that were evoked from an unhealthy romance she was experiencing during the album's conception?
Current status: Featured article

Taylor Swift Top‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Taylor Swift, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Taylor Swift on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Taylor SwiftWikipedia:WikiProject Taylor SwiftTemplate:WikiProject Taylor SwiftTaylor Swift articles
Top	This article has been rated as Top-importance on the importance scale.

Albums

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Albums, an attempt at building a useful resource on recordings from a variety of genres. If you would like to participate, visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion.AlbumsWikipedia:WikiProject AlbumsTemplate:WikiProject AlbumsAlbum articles

Pop music High‑importance

	Pop music portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Pop music, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of articles related to pop music on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Pop musicWikipedia:WikiProject Pop musicTemplate:WikiProject Pop musicPop music articles
High	This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.

Country music Mid‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Country music, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of articles related to country music on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Country musicWikipedia:WikiProject Country musicTemplate:WikiProject Country musicCountry music articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Women in Music High‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Women in Music, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Women in music on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Women in MusicWikipedia:WikiProject Women in MusicTemplate:WikiProject Women in MusicWomen in music articles
High	This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.

Rock music Mid‑importance

	Rock music portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Rock music, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Rock music on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Rock musicWikipedia:WikiProject Rock musicTemplate:WikiProject Rock musicRock music articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Sad Beautiful Tragic was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 26 January 2013 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into Red (Taylor Swift album). The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here.

The following references may be useful when improving this article in the future:

On 28 February 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved to Red (album). The result of the discussion was not moved.

Important

this was one of the most important albums of Taylor's career since it was a full on pop album and she could move out of country, finally. 46.2.195.227 (talk) 17:16, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 1 February 2023

This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

https://www.ifpi.gr/charts_el.html Mico2091 (talk) 17:05, 1 February 2023 (UTC) You have to put the greek entry of RED in our chart. THANK YOU[reply]

Already done ––FormalDude (talk) 17:58, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

State of Grace

UK promo CD singles for "State of Grace" indicate that it impacted radio in the UK on March 25, 2013 [[1]], making the song an official single per WP:SINGLE?. I am unsure, however, how this should be sourced, since most single releases are found online rather than on physical releases. Thoughts?

2601:180:8200:63D0:AD25:7130:47D:D67B (talk) 15:35, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 28 February 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Per consensus. – robertsky (talk) 07:39, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Red (Taylor Swift album) → Red (album) – This article has 115208 pageviews over 30 days. This is considerably larger than the pageviews of other articles on a 30-day basis, with the King Crimson album that shares the same name only has 13220 pageviews and the rest having less than 5000 pageviews. This makes Red (Taylor Swift album) the primary topic in respect to usage. Brachy08 _(Talk) 07:10, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Taylor Swift has been notified of this discussion. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 09:11, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Albums has been notified of this discussion. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 09:11, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Rock music has been notified of this discussion. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 09:11, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose original proposal, support Red (2012 album) to distinguish from the re-recording. (t · c) buidhe 09:15, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: Page views should not be the sole measure here, and Red (album) covers a lot more than just these two, including multiple other albums of high levels of established notability. Especially oppose buidhe's suggestion as R.E.D. (Ne-Yo album) is also from 2012 and highly notable, and "Taylor's Version" is plenty disambiguation on its own. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 09:36, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW the R.E.D. album gets around 1-2 percent as many page views as this one. (t · c) buidhe 10:52, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

R.E.D. and Red are different names. Brachy08 _(Talk) 13:48, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per WP:PDAB, and oppose above alternative suggestions. 162 etc. (talk) 17:02, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support: Clear WP:PDABPRIMARY. JohnCWiesenthal (talk) 18:21, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose I don't think the ratios are sufficient for a PDAB.. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:24, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Red (Taylor Swift album) has a ~7:1 pageview with all thirteen other "Red" album articles combined. If this is insufficient for a PDAB, what would be? JohnCWiesenthal (talk) 17:38, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think more like 100:1 or 50:1 though I'm not in any case much of a PDAB fan. Per WP:PRECISE most qualifiers should be unambiguous. Crouch, Swale (talk) 21:35, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Crouch, Swale. The usual ratio for a PDAB is north of 50:1. There are exceptions, but that's the usual experience, and the exceptions often involve other factors. Also, weighing a 2012 album relative to a 1974 (King Crimson) album requires discounting for WP:RECENTISM. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 17:14, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, FWIW, speaking as a currently heavy user of album articles rather than from a policy perspective. When there are multiple "[Album] ([Artist] album)" titles, the expected behaviour is for "[Album] (album)" to point to the dab section listing the various titles. I can appreciate deviating from that practice when one of the albums is so much more popular than the rest that most visitors won't even be aware that there is more than one. Falling short of that, which surely is the case here, keeping with the strong precedent is the cleaner solution all around. - 89.183.221.71 (talk) 14:23, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.