Talk:2024 Indian general election

Additional Data for Voter Turnout

The phase-wise voter turnout data officially released by the Election Commission of India is trifurcated into Male, Female and Third Gender. Since the data is official and adds to the comprehension of the reader, I recommend an addition of a small table below the state-wise breakup, enumerating a phase-wise gender-wise matrix, or if it does not make the state-wise table cumbersome, which I believe will, then within the state-wise table itself.

Below are the links provided pertaining to the said data:

Primary Source - Official Press Releases as available on the ECI website:

1. Phase 1 and 2 : [1]https://elections24.eci.gov.in/docs/Gw9Dq3DfAm.pdf

2. Phase 3 : [2]https://elections24.eci.gov.in/docs/ioeEd7iHPy.pdf

3. Phase 4 : [3]https://elections24.eci.gov.in/docs/Ox65vXgP2R.pdf

4. Phase 5 : [4]https://elections24.eci.gov.in/docs/grfYnWoV4R.pdf

Secondary Source

Original Link : https://www.business-standard.com/elections/lok-sabha-election/lok-sabha-polls-women-turnout-bettered-that-of-men-in-fifth-phase-124052301530_1.html

Archived Link : https://web.archive.org/web/20240524132213/https://www.business-standard.com/elections/lok-sabha-election/lok-sabha-polls-women-turnout-bettered-that-of-men-in-fifth-phase-124052301530_1.html. --MrMarshMan (talk) 03:14, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

It has been a long time since I made this suggestion. I would like to draw everyone's attention here again, as its inclusion will make the voter turn out data more representative. MrMarshMan (talk) 12:41, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Verifyability: Citations no longer online:

Citations to Voter turnout that lead of a Govt Press Release appear to be saying ' The Page you have requested is not available at present. Sorry for your Inconvenience. Click here to go back  If the problem persists, please contact admin.' . No archive. Tanyasingh (talk) 17:43, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Impact - Last section of page incorrectly written

However, on the day the election results were announced, the Sensex crashed to the worst level in 4 years. This is incorrectly worded, it should rather mean a single day fall in 4 years, not to the worst level in 4 years. Clarkck (talk) 13:57, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Merge Proposal

Suggest merging Results of the 2024 Indian general election into the current 2024 Indian general election page per WP:DUP and WP:Overlap. The general elections overall page already has a robust section on results, broken out by the same categories as the results specific page (alliance, state, constituency), and so am not sure what the new page is adding. Plus there are bound to be referencing issues with that page (currently no references listed) and I anticipate the % change calculations will be difficult to support through WP:RS, so we'd be treading on WP:OR. Schwinnspeed (talk) 20:22, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Against; The Election Commission releases documents that accurate describe the %votes polled a few days after the initial results, they were used in Results of the 2019 Indian general election thereby following WP:OR. The same pages have been made for 2014 and 2019 with a more concise section the main article for results, this ongoing policy should be followed here too. Xoocit (talk) 21:29, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Against ; There is already an article for the 2009, 2014 and 2019 one, why merge this one? 52Timer (talk) 01:44, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Against; The results page provides a detailed, extensive breakdown be state and constituency which would be very cluttered if included in the main election page. This continues the policy followed for previous general elections in '14 and '19. Tagore01 (talk) 04:33, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Results section showing incorrect information

BJP got 235,973,935 votes as is rightly mentioned in the infobox on the top. But in the Results section ('By alliance and party' subsection), it is incorrectly shown as 157,039,540. All the final vote tallies of the different parties are available at https://results.eci.gov.in/PcResultGenJune2024/index.htm and can be put as such on wikipedia Priyank1205 (talk) 11:16, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Time to add a map?

Considering the ECI has declared every seat and results are being updated on the page, I thought now might be an appropriate time to add a map for the results. I made one here, but it doesn't necessarily need to be this: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Indian_General_Election_2024.svg . Not sure if it's too soon, but just putting it out there just in case. ExactlyIndeed (talk) 14:32, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

@ExactlyIndeed I agree. Can I recommend making state boundaries clearer? See File:Indian General Election 2019.svg for example Soni (talk) 14:38, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

@Soni Just updated them to the same thickness as on the 2019 map. The file I linked earlier should now reflect the changes. ExactlyIndeed (talk) 15:21, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Added. Pretty decent map, thank you. I recommend adding lines with the arrows to each of the zoomed in cities, it's pretty hard to read without them. I can't think of other QoL changes that could be made comparing the 2019 map, but I reckon there's still more we can eventually iterate on. Soni (talk) 15:45, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

@Soni I can definitely try do that, but it might be hard because of the distance between the insets and their respective sections on the full map. I could re-arrange the insets to make that work, though. The other idea I had was to add boxes around the zoomed-in areas on the full map, and only include constituency numbers for those areas in the insets, if that makes sense. ExactlyIndeed (talk) 16:15, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

We can iterate over the options and see which one is easiest to understand. There's a lot of maps like this, but none of them have perfected it.

I honestly think any party which won less than 5 seats at the Lok Sabha should be bundled under "NDA (Other)", "INDIA (Other)" or "Other (Other)". There is just too many parties with similar enough symbols that this map is fairly unreadable with the colours as they are. Maybe any national parties plus those with at least 5 seats. Otherwise the maps will keep being pretty unreadable. Keeping it to parties with 5+ seats would give us useful info but limit it to the most pertinent. Soni (talk) 16:40, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

@Soni Just simplified the list of parties and updated the current file. I've also posted an alternate version of it on my userpage with a different way of displaying the insets. Let me know if it's any easier to understand. ExactlyIndeed (talk) 00:36, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

I think I like it as is better. Good job, thank you Soni (talk) 07:07, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

@ExactlyIndeed In maharashtra constituencies numbered 13 and 14 have been won by Shivsena(UBT) not INC please change the colour from blue to the colour of SS(UBT) Supercanonx (talk) 15:17, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Its 14 and 15 not 13 Supercanonx (talk) 15:19, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Results discrepancy

The current results table shows the total number of seats won by the INDIA coalition to be 234 while, for example, NDTV lists it as 232. Can someone figure out the source for this discrepancy? And also cite sources for this and other results in the wikipedia article so that they comply with WP:V. Abecedare (talk) 15:19, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

alliance seats of NDA is wrong too it shows as 303 DataCrusade1999 (talk) 15:23, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

NDA is at 295 I request this to be updated. And INDIA is at 234 is correct. Supercanonx (talk) 16:38, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Sikkim Krantikari Morcha

The infobox and the results table both show the NDA at 293 while the NDA table under "Parties and alliances" show the NDA at 292. This seems to be down the fact that the party Sikkim Krantikari Morcha is included as part of the NDA in the results table but not in the alliance table. Since the page for SKM says the party is currently a member of the NDA and the map on this very article lists SKM under "other NDA parties" it seems like SKM should be listed in the alliance table for the NDA.

Btw this same issue exists on the NDA's own article looking at the "strength in parliament" table versus both the 2019 and 2024 results table. Orca6771 (talk) 20:44, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Use Indian numeric system instead of US System

Example 30,00,000 instead of 3,000,000 HKChakladar (talk) 20:48, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Manmohan Singh remark presented by Modi is not misinformation.

Ex-PM Manmohan Singh indeed said Muslims Have ‘First Right’. "

We will have to devise Innovative plans to ensure that minorities particularly the Muslim minority are empowered to share equitably in the fruits of development they must they must have the first claim on our resources

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6Bsz97lRsU?si=sDlDlko4tD9QNqRz&t=53— Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.210.37.75 (talk)

Wikipedia doesn't interpret or analyze who said what and what someone meant. We only report what reliable sources say in their own voice. — hako9 (talk) 21:15, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Manmohan Singh said that particularly muslims must have the first right on our resources on camera. Not just once, but twice he said it on camera. 2409:40D0:B8:902F:2C6C:D5FD:EE30:2B0A (talk) 14:19, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

[5]https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=_g2t3DUjteeDWu-F&v=1AND1-FM0Ds&feature=youtu.be 2409:40D0:B8:902F:2C6C:D5FD:EE30:2B0A (talk) 14:23, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 June 2024

AI, the creators of Chat GPT revealed that an Israeli firm used its tools to generate anti-BJP propaganda during and before this election which was used on YouTube, X (formerly Twitter), facebook, Instagram and other websites.-Harman42 (talk) 14:15, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Please add the above.-Harman42 (talk) 14:16, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

References

Harman42 (talk) 06:12, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

 Not done. Already noted at 2024 Indian general election#Misinformation. Ratnahastin (talk) 14:18, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 June 2024 (2)

Please remove the sentence, "The election was criticised for lack of action on hate speeches by Modi's Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP),[9] reported Electronic Voting Machine (EVM) malfunctioning,[10][11] and alleged suppression of political opponents of the BJP." from the lead. It is not neutral. It also seems that it isn't worthy of being in the lead as it wasn't rampant and the lead is supposed to be a concise summary of what the body of the article says, largely. "The lead should stand on its own as a concise overview of the article's topic. It should identify the topic, establish context, explain why the topic is notable, and summarize the most important points, including any prominent controversies" as per WP:Lead.-

Harman42 (talk) 06:12, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

The, "...... alleged suppression of political opponents of the BJP." bit is an allegation and should be removed immediately.-Harman42 (talk) 08:53, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

 Not done. Accurately sourced content. It has also been significantly described in the section. Ratnahastin (talk) 14:11, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 June 2024 (3)

Voice of the people party link goes to the Namibian voice of the people party instead of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voice_of_the_People_Party_(Meghalaya) tovarish (talk) 10:37, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

 Done VK wiki100 12:09, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Aftermath on lead

@Soni: The content I had removed is not related to the elections. It is related to party activities that are happening outside the election as well as after the election. Why do we have to mention them on lead which is already too big? Ratnahastin (talk) 14:16, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

So my logic is that the election page should always have a short summary of the government that's forming. We need not include too many details about them or any major changes months down the line but "Elections ended with Modi becoming PM again with NDA support" is definitely something that should be here (and we then link to the Modi's 3rd term article + 18th lok sabha articles).

See 2004 Indian general election for election ledes that also discuss the government, 2016 United States presidential election for lede that also have further aftermath, or 2019 United Kingdom general election for both government and aftermath. Soni (talk) 14:51, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

I would still support pruning the last paragraph a little because it is simply getting too big. Ratnahastin (talk) 15:38, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

I am happy with pruning. I think we should definitely carry immediate aftermath (political shifts, who formed govt) but we can definitely trim this better. Or split into paragraphs better. 1 is too short, 2 and 3 kind of repeat the same things, 4 could be two paragraphs (alliances/results, then govt forming) Soni (talk) 15:45, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

INC increased seat level to 100

INC got total of 100 seats as of now. 59.182.113.188 (talk) 14:24, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Please provide a reliable source for that (like a link to a newspaper report saying that).-Harman42 (talk) 17:33, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Actually it is 101, bcz Rakesh Ranjan aka Pappu Yadav joined INC before election and Independent MP Vishal Patil joined after election

source: https://www.daijiworld.com/index.php/news/newsDisplay?newsID=1197693

https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/pune/independent-mp-vishal-patil-meets-rahul-gandhi-extends-support-to-congress-9376555/ Redmyname31 (talk) 13:56, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 June 2024

"This was the largest-ever election in history" is a tautology. Please change to "This was the largest-ever election" or "This was the largest election in history". 2001:BB6:47ED:FA58:392D:A46F:9661:5E32 (talk) 10:21, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

 Done Charliehdb (talk) 13:11, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

That sentence in the lead, "This was the largest-ever election, surpassing the previous election, and lasted 44 days, second only to the 1951–52 Indian general election." needs to be shortened more to, "Surpassing the previous election (of 2019), this was the second largest election and lasted 44 days, the largest being the 1951–52 Indian general election."-Harman42 (talk) 17:33, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

"Surpassing the previous election, this was the second largest election and lasted 44 days, the largest being the 1951–52 Indian general election." is even shorter.-Harman42 (talk) 17:52, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

@Charliehdb: "Surpassing the previous election, this was the second largest election in independent India and lasted 44 days, the largest being the 1951–52 Indian general election." can be added if the editors want to mention that this was post-independence.-Harman42 (talk) 17:59, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

"...ten independent MPs..."

Although it seems referenced, but how did Modi brought support of ten independent MPs when there's only seven elected, and two of them have already extended their support for the INDIA bloc and another one is supposed to support them in the near future? Zeeshan Y Tariq (talk) 18:31, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 June 2024 (2)

Please add, "Muslim voters were the game changers in this election." Harman42 (talk) 19:21, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

 Not done. Inappropriate commentary from a source that might have published a manipulated exit poll. MrMkG (talk) 07:34, 8 June 2024 (UTC)