Talk:2024 Hajj disaster

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Had this been designated officially a disaster? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.15.197.124 (talk) 01:02, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed new name

2024 Heat-Related Hajj Deaths Doyna Yar (talk) 20:13, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Doyna Yar: You might be looking to do Wikipedia:Requested moves#Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves? I'll go ahead and open one. BurqueMesa (talk) 21:57, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 21 June 2024

It has been proposed in this section that 2024 Hajj disaster be renamed and moved to 2024 Hajj extreme heat disaster.

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2024 Hajj disaster → 2024 Hajj extreme heat disaster – The current title does not mention extreme heat, which seems to be a principal cause of the disaster (1, 2, 3) (though unregistered pilgrims seem to be a contributing factor (4)). I propose the new title should be 2024 Hajj extreme heat disaster, 2024 Hajj extreme heat, 2024 Hajj heat wave disaster, or 2024 Hajj heat wave. BurqueMesa (talk) 22:16, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To clarify, the proposed titles are in order of preference, with the first most preferred. BurqueMesa (talk) 22:24, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support for 2024 Hajj heat wave "Extreme heat" and "disaster" sound too subjective. While most sources do not describe it as a "heat wave", enough do that I think it is fair to use. Arcturus95 (talk) 22:39, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, see WP:UCRN. Extreme heat and variations thereof is used more often than heat wave, and extreme heat is a meteorological term for this type of event. BurqueMesa (talk) 23:27, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose but only for the lack of "disaster" as the article itself is more about the effects of the heatwave than the meteorological phenomenon itself. Augend (drop a line) 04:47, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed with both @BurqueMesa's and @Augend's comments. Retracting my support for a specific new name, and instead supporting a change to any of the proposed alternatives. Arcturus95 (talk) 20:34, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support, that is what I was originally thinking to be the article title. I feel like “2024 Hajj disaster" is too ambiguous of a name. A heatwave kills btw. Look at other heatwave articles. They all list deaths. I don't see why this can't be call the "2024 Hajj heat wave". Alexysun (talk) 05:52, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would agree that heat needs to be in the title, whether "extreme" or "wave". Forecasts are for this sort of thing to become more common and more extreme in the future, so it is questionable whether in a few decades 122 degrees will still be considered "extreme" heat. I would therefore go with a title like 2024 Hajj heat wave mass fatality incident. BD2412 T 02:23, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, titles should be appropriate for the current climate, not for the climate in a few decades. Also, "mass fatality incident" is not a frequently used term compared to simply "disaster." BurqueMesa (talk) 03:54, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It was somehow poor management and less allocated resources and under trained officials as well. 46.153.41.254 (talk) 11:00, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]