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Biden crisis

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This article's subject is inextricably linked with the Joe Biden 2024 presidential campaign, which is covered in a dedicated section there. Per WP:PAGEDECIDE, there are times it is better to cover a notable topic as part of a larger page about a broader topic, with more context. This is one of those times, and I believe that this page should be redirected to Joe Biden 2024 presidential campaign#Calls for Biden to withdraw, which covers this topic in the context of the broader campaign. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 13:45, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

- Speedy delete/redirect to the main Biden 2024 campaign page, or at the very least, significantly overhaul the naming ("Biden crisis" is too vague/not clearly the proper name per secondary sources, "Joever" is just internet slang, not really used) Reflord (talk) 15:18, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Bourne Ballin (talk) 17:02, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete article, merge content with age and health concerns of Joe Biden and Joe Biden 2024 presidential campaign User:WoodElf 17:05, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Additionally, the title is not intended to be WP:NPOV. I have internal opinions that I have expressed before on Biden withdrawing, but I have set those aside for this article. The title is supported by three references, and there are additional sources—such as NPR—that have used the specific term "Biden crisis", with additional sources—such as Politico, CNN twice, and The New York Times—describing this as a crisis in general. Google Trends data shows that this is not an arcane term. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 17:45, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not a word on this page needs to be on a separate article, it can all be covered in the campaign article or related pages. I'd suggest expanding Joe Biden 2024 presidential campaign#Calls for Biden to withdraw with these sources and proposing a split on the talk page rather than creating another overlapping page. If he withdraws, 2024 Democratic National Convention would be a good place for the subsequent procedures. Reywas92Talk 18:27, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, the list was practically the entire article. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 21:58, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've struck my vote based on the ever-changing circumstances. Aintabli (talk) 18:37, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Keep He withdrew. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 18:14, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep because is it not an historic occasion? Even when Lyndon B. Johnson withdrew from the 1964 presidential election, it was in March; Biden has done it in mid July after a debate. Maurnxiao (talk) 18:33, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep, obviously notable, incumbent president and democratic nominee withdraws from the race. Precedent with other large American politicians in Removal of Kevin McCarthy as Speaker of the House Personisinsterest (talk) 18:42, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep: Now that the "Biden crisis" is over and has culminated in Biden's resignation, this article's scope has expanded into a much more notable event. Di (they-them) (talk) 18:44, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep:
The withdrawal of a campaign this late into the trail is unprecedented and a noteworthy event in American history. Monological (talk) 18:48, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Now that this has actually happened, this is clearly notable and also identifiable in terms of scope. Gust Justice (talk) 18:53, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect: Yes, Biden withdrew from the race, and yes it's notable, but we still don't need a separate article. Certain things can simply be in a section even if they are very notable, as the actual content of Biden dropping out can be covered easily in one paragraph in the Joe Biden 2024 presidential campaign article. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk)
Keep, as this is a very historic moment in US history. Wikipedia1010121 (talk) 18:59, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep he has withdrawn and it's clearly notable, also per others. - Sebbog13 (talk) 19:08, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy keep This is a monumental shakeup of the American political landscape, and will likely have ripples around the world, which would merit an expansion as comments come in. Windrays (talk) 19:12, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You not liking the presence of the tag itself is not really a justification for keeping it. GenevieveDEon (talk) 19:21, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: Very little reasoning behind deletion; Further details regarding the event will inevitably be provided within the forthcoming days, not to mention that this is quite arbitrary given the spectacle of information currently available. Queries regarding why are futile. WP:TOOSOON
TheRevisionary (talk) 19:22, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It was too soon to put it up; it is not too soon to take it down. GenevieveDEon (talk) 19:25, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete The existence of this article violates the policy of WP:RECENT and sets an unmangable precedent. In the future, if (and probably when) American presidents drop out of races, are we going to need to create articles for all those situations too? It would be best to restrict discussion of this event to the existing article on Biden's presidential campaign; we can circle back to the issue later but I don't foresee this being worthy of an entire article. Unlimitedlead (talk) 19:23, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    are we going to need to create articles for all those situations too? That would be at most one article every four years. --Super Goku V (talk) 19:27, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: This is a very notable event and should maintain its own article. I could see it being deleted when it was "Biden crisis", but the official withdrawal makes this a monumental moment in American politics, since the withdrawal/refusal of an eligible incumbent reelection bid hasn't happened in nearly 60 years. AmericanBaath (talk) 19:23, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect - A merging of all the details in this article can go to the other (per nom). We do not have a corresponding withdrawal article for LBJ (1968 announcement) and the same should be applied here. — That Coptic Guyping me! (talk) (contribs) 19:25, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect. NikolaiVektovich (talk) 19:35, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with Joe Biden 2024 presidential campaign. Procyon117 (talk) 19:40, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with Joe Biden 2024 presidential campaign Asigooo (talk) 19:46, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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