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Seymour Hersh Report

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I found something from Seymour Hersh, I do not know how real it is, however as he is a well known journalist I thought I would present it. This is the story and this is a social media summery. I know twitter is not a RS, but they did link the article. Like I said, I do not know if it is real of a RS. However, as the author has a Wikipedia page, it has some bearing. LuxembourgLover (talk) 03:26, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hersh is well known to be … erratic. Unless his reporting is verified by more reliable reporting, it should be left out. Acroterion (talk) 03:45, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Biden crisis" listed at Redirects for discussion

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The redirect Biden crisis has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 July 29 § Biden crisis until a consensus is reached. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 03:39, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Platform neutrality

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For neutrality/unbiasedness, it's worth mentioning that the letter was also posted to his Facebook, Instagram, and Threads accounts, not only to his X account. Alternatively, you could write something like, 'he withdrew his candidacy via a signed letter posted to his personal social media accounts,'.

The relevant sentence is in the last paragraph of the introduction: 'On July 21, 2024, he withdrew his candidacy via a signed letter posted on his personal X account,...'

I would edit it, but I'm not extended confirmed yet. WaterDrinkingHuman (talk) 17:17, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed merge of Age and health concerns about Joe Biden into Withdrawal of Joe Biden from the 2024 United States presidential election

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The past AFD was shuttered because of Biden's withdraw from the election changing a lot of things. I opened up a second request, this time with a clear intent to merge to the recent article, now with hindsight in mind. I don't see why this article needs to be kept- and the few details that aren't covered anywhere else can be merged into his public image and withdrawal articles. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 18:25, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Frankly, I think that article could just be turned into a redirect, and a few choice bits from it added to this article. I don't see much benefit in a formal merging. — The Hand That Feeds You:Bite 18:36, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. Even the title of this article doesn't really make sense, these are all concerns of his health within the context of his 2020 Presidency and 2024 re-election campaign (which are already extensively covered in those respective articles).⠀tomástomástomás⠀talk⠀ 03:27, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with a redirect or a merge into other articles. All of the information present in this article is duplicated (or can easily be slotted into) the public image, withdrawal, and even sleepy joe articles. Not much point in having this article. Yeoutie (talk) 00:01, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, this is not large enough of an event to have its own article. Just add it to whatever article there may be about his 2024 campaign. Eg224 (talk) 15:15, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per @Moonreach and @Iljhgtn. The age concerns did partially lead up to his withdrawal from the race, but that doesn't mean the articles should be merged simply because there is overlap. CharlieEdited (talk) 15:09, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose; these are two separate topics. The first, around Biden's age and health concerns, is more of a general and broader sense of the topic, whereas the second, on Biden's withdrawal, is an event that happened as a result of the former's concerns. Both fulfill WP:GNG and WP:N, so I see no need to merge the two.
--WellThisIsTheReaper Grim 22:30, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: Only a short time has passed since the last AfD; nothing major has really changed, and all previous reasons for retaining the article still apply. There's no reason to attempt to overturn the previous consensus at this time. Zylostr (talk) 19:09, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose it needs to stay because for many this was a defining part of his presidency. I would argue, Reagan deserves one too. Vinnylospo (talk) 05:14, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, this article has plenty of sources to stand on its own, as well as the coverage of this unique subject merits its own article at this point. While the subject is likely related to the Withdrawal of Joe Biden from the 2024 United States presidential election subject, it is not entirely dependent on that subject and this article existed before that withdrawal and was important independent of any such withdrawal. Iljhgtn (talk) 20:28, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per Iljhgtn. The articles cover two different subjects which, while they do overlap, are not interchangeable. Nor is one fully a subset of the other. Moonreach (talk) 14:02, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose — per Moonreach Roasted (talk) 23:59, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - same opinions as Iljhgtn and Moonreach Wheatley2 (talk) 01:26, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support – This article is written pretty much entirely within the context of the 2024 election and his subsequent withdrawal. Do the 'age and health concerns' really have much relevance outside of that? Loytra (talk) 09:07, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support per Loytra. The only context for this article could be easily a subset of other articles instead. Worst case, we could merge this into two separate articles instead of continue this as an intersection. Soni (talk) 09:17, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose – like Iljhgtn. These are two different topics that are related but not so much so that they should be merged. His health concerns have relevancy outside of his withdrawal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Qqars (talk • contribs) 15:02, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support Age and health concerns are now entirely notable within the context of the withdrawal that they demonstrably lead to. The scope of the two also overlaps hugely: the withdrawal article links to age and health concerns as the main article for one section within "Background", but the latter article only provides additional health information in its own "Background" section before moving onto the same time period (debate etc.), and then linking back to the main withdrawal article. Fix the structure of the withdrawal article to take health concerns and the debate out of "Background", add in the additional information from the age and health concerns article and redirect. U-Mos (talk) 12:52, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Oppose - While His Age and Fitness was a concern during his campaign, there were multiple other reasons Biden had to drop out. InterDoesWiki (talk) 15:00, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article does not currently suggest any other reason than age/fitness. U-Mos (talk) 16:02, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: This subject is only meaningful in terms of the 2024 campaign and Biden's withdrawal. I can't imagine why a reader would want to learn about the "age concerns" without also being interested in his withdrawal from the campaign. Toughpigs (talk) 16:40, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Leaning oppose. They are related matters, but the age and health concerns would have persisted irrespective of the withdrawal, and continue following the withdrawal with respect to Biden's fitness to continue as President for the remaining six months of his term. BD2412 T 22:16, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: The two articles overlap in content and focus. Drdpw (talk) 22:12, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Age and Health concerns are only a little part, just keep the article at this point. FloridaMan21 (talk) 15:09, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per my comments in the AfD from a few weeks ago: "How many New York Times op-eds about his age ran last year before there was any serious discussion about him withdrawing from the race? That makes it a completely separate subject from Withdrawal of Joe Biden from the 2024 United States presidential election."LM2000 (talk) 13:25, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per the above which make much stronger arguments for opposing a merge than the support of a merge. 50.170.140.37 (talk) 13:51, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as there are other impacts that led to him dropping out so this major reason (noted as a developed subject in it of itself) would just muddle up the prose if merged as such, and, as should be said, these concerns affect other things than just him dropping out. BarntToust (talk) 16:28, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • oppose - there could be calls for him to step down from his office as president in the future. This remains notable independent of his withdrawal from the race Superb Owl (talk) 22:31, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletion of article

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This is an incredibly minor piece of a larger topic. Just have it as a section in his 2024 campaign article Eg224 (talk) 22:58, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Disagree. It's a historic event and has more than enough weight to stand on its own. David O. Johnson (talk) 02:42, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with the above comment completely. User:Jgstokes (talk)—We can disagree without becoming disagreeable. 04:30, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Deletion of this article has already been proposed, and failed. BD2412 T 22:18, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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