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101 Dalmatians II

What do you mean? It looks like it was Xezbeth or someone else. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=101_Dalmatians_II:_Patch%27s_London_Adventure&action=history

update*

Oh you meant the other one, that looked fake. King Dedede 18:34, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks Again

Thanks for your words of wisdom and warning. And don't worry, I have been trained well, and use my power only for knowledge and defense.

Ayn Rand

Ah, I think this must have been a case of 2 reverts hapening at the same time, with mine comming in last. The change I wanted to revert (and wich was in the diff when I checked the anon's contribution) was this. But I see that the same anon adding the (clearly inappropriate change) reverted it again afterwards and included the first-name removal (making my revert getting through, since they now were different). So I didn't mean to go against wikipedia-policy. Thanks for noticing. Shanes 20:55, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

John Kerry

I can see why you would think I was the anon - but I really am not - but will step away from there for a bit - I still think you treated me unfairly - but it seems reasonable to me once they explained how this works better. Symes 01:42, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Zanskar

Ok..Ok... I know you now. But how do you exactly define insult? His grammar is bad, so do mine contain some mistakes. However, let me clarify woth you: I'm not insulting him at all. What I'm talking about him is the plain truth. Just look at the etymology section; does anybody ever write such "rubbish" in terms of sentence structure and gramatical error? I suppose not. His version, I suppose, does not seems to be pleasant to the reader. Either you revert to the mine most current version, and let me see how can I incoporate as much content as I could from the current version.

Also, from which project page you saw that the original article should be the basis of future editing. Mr Tan should, in a collaborative manner, edit what's there.?

This is getting nowhere. I just cannot accept this messy state of Zanskar...Honestly I do not want to waste my breath, my projects are coming up... But the current version is just to far flung behind the standard of other articles. I understand all users may dislike other users editing one's article for he thinks that his the best...But the fact that it is not even at the 0.5 standard.

Mr Tan, 14:02, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

No, do you why I put up the " " prefix? I'm merely saying about his poor orientation! That word rubbish with the prefix does not necessarily means that I'm condemning about his work. How many times must I stress upon is not about his content, but about his composition, grammar, and vocabulary usuage, including refusing to update information? That is where I am not happy about it!

Also, you have not answered my question:the original article should be the basis of future editing. Mr Tan should, in a collaborative manner, edit what's there.

Give me a few days...Do not interfere about the Zanskar article and let me do a good job. Please correct my mistakes if you see any gramatical errors.. What I want is something like Sikkim in terms of article composition orientation...please!

Thanks.

Mr Tan, 21:01, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Neither do I understand what you want.

All right. Come to an agreement. State the facts you want here first, in apoint formthen let me settle it slowly. I was just about to work on the article when you interrupt me.

Mr Tan, 21:16, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

No, I will revert and reenhance everything. Just you give me a few days time and see please! I reverted because merely of your sudden message.

Mr Tan, 00:07, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

00:07, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)??! Is this some sort of time warp? Messages from next week! -- ALoan (Talk) 19:26, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Zanskar

Ah yes.. I see that you have blocked me on a 24 hour-probation period and have just lift off the ban. For this, I demand a full and comprehensive explanation on this act, in point form.

Also, you have reverted from my adapted (from the original) version, but I will bring Nichalp for his experience in working out on Sikkim. Go ahead and ask him but I see that you are going to the wrong side if you don't, as I see that you are the one who is still blur-blur about this case. The statements that Moumine are not official policy that I know of.

An small apology-I was dreaming at the time of typing my information, taking the date as 23 apr, not 16 apr.

Expect me to come back for in a few weeks time to bargain with you aboutr Zanskar..I have no time for battles at the moment. Go ahead and refer at Wikipedia:Requests for comment

Mr Tan, 00:07, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Ah yes, apology again... User:Wikizap is my satellite account for my account was briefly infected with virus immediately after mine release...for I still get that nonsencial block messages..could you now please explain about the blocking case in point form, clearly? And is there any official or semi-official policy stating that the adapted version could not be used? I followed User:Nichalp method of reformatting the article into a better oientation, which is not supposed to be not allowed!

Mr Tan, 11:45, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Image:Viviparous lizard female 2004.jpg

Because exactly the same copy is in commons. Read the dicsussion please: Image:Viviparous lizard female 2004.jpg... --Pkuczynski 09:46, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

hello, Re: deleting TYPE ZeR0

Sorry, wasn't quite sure of the policy.

Thanks Number 0 13:08, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

You are removing content

If you continue to abuse me and vandalize Wikipedia, I will be forced to take you to dispute resolution immediately. --Islamist 22:33, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Blocking

Looking at Islamist's contributions, I see no evidence of vandalism, let alone persistent vandalism. Creating a page Judeofascism - which had already been done before, by User:Ed Poor - may or may not be justified (the term gets some Google hits) but is clearly not vandalism; neither is redirecting Islamofascism to a singularly appropriate destination, as someone had already done with Judeofascism. Personal attacks are another matter, but he does not seem to have been warned about those yet. For these reasons, I am unblocking him/her. - Mustafaa 05:56, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Lady Welby

Sorry if my description sounds 'pointed' or unspeakable, however true. I may be hypersensitive about paying due homage to the original idea. I remember some wiki articles admitting they are derived from something else. No trouble here at all. Otherwise there may be some, I fear. Though permission may be granted unconditionally, to pay due homage to the source would be not only beautiful but also useful for the user to know, say, who is the expert. And others may do the same 'pointed' as I did. --KYPark 10:12, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Block of the LibDem person

It wasn't fair.--212.100.250.226 13:43, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Planting Fields Arboretum

I'm sorry - I am pretty new to this, and it took me quite a while to figure out how to write back to you.

Give me a minute, and I'll say what I'm up to.

You're quite right (of course) that I am basing the article on its web site. Here is what I think I'm doing - please tell me whether you think this is acceptable.

I have been copying and pasting parts of the web site into the Wiki page, and am then performing a number of editing passes over the text to transform it into a Wiki article. You are seeing me about half-way through this process. My intent has been to wind up with a neatly written article that contains the facts from the web page, but does not violate any copyrights.

What do you think?

Please be a bit patient with some of us, as we have not been doing Wiki things for long. So we may be doing things a bit wrong, and we certainly have trouble responding to your messages within a minute or two, as we don't know how to do such things! Cheers.

Glad to do what you suggest - it will just take me a while to figure out how to do all the things you are suggesting. Thanks for your patience. (By the way, the four tilde thing is not immediately obvious!)

66.30.207.207 14:52, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Concensus

Thunk you for finig my tyops. – Clockwork Soul 16:26, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Edit conflict on 200.30.222.170

I was just adding a stern warning when you beat me to it: it seems that nobody bothered to tell the guy that 3RR was wrong...

You have reverted Salvador Allende no fewer than 11 times in the last 24 hours in violation of Wikipedias Wikipedia:Three revert rule. In short, don't revert any page more than three times within a period of 24 hours. I recommend that you post your viewpoint onto the article's talk page, or you will be blocked.

Nobody had even bothered to warn him, or even ask him to stop on his talk page before he was blocked, can we expect him to come back as an honest contributor? – Clockwork Soul 21:42, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Good point. I was surprised that no-one had written to him on his Talk page (that's partly because he's an anon, I think), but just assumed that the 3RR had been mentioned to him at some point. I'll unblock him, and explain why on his Talk page (if you haven't already done it). Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 21:52, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- I haven't, no: I didn't want to step on your toes. I've just recently become very aware that many of us administrators (including myself) have an unfortunate tendency to treat anon's rather poorly, and too often forget that at the other side of that IP is a human that may very well be a perfectly good editor-in-the-making who is simply ignorant of the best way to go about doing things. No big deal, I just feel bad for the little guys that make their first few fearful edits, and find themselves blocked without warning for breaking some rule they've never heard of. – ClockworkSoul 22:02, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  - I've just unblocked him, explaining why, and left a note at Talk:Salvador Allende saying what had happened, and recommending that in future they warn Users before reporting them. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 22:04, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    - Excellent, thank you. :) – Clockwork Soul 22:08, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

You blocked me without justification, your edits are biased, and you are censoring history from your Talk page

I am returning the relevant history here. If you don't like what people write on your talk page, maybe you should stop abusing people on Wikipedia. You are expected to archive all Talk and not delete it. See Wikipedia:Talk_page#Standards_and_conventions_of_writing_and_layout. You see, you are an administrator with the authority to block people so you should know the rules of Wikipedia and follow them. Deleting your Talk page means you have something to hide. "Archive rather than delete: When a talk page's content has become extremely large or the discussion of the issue in hand has simply died down and no one has a reasonable chance of adding to it, create a new page. (See Wikipedia:How to start a page and Wikipedia:How to archive a Talk page for details.) Place the page in a talk or Wikipedia talk namespace. Give it an explanatory name. Often people simply add "archive" to the original name. Explain on the archive page where the text you plan to archive will come from and provide a link. Cut the relevant content from the original page and paste it into the new page. Replace the text on the original page with a link to the archive. An alternative is to summarise the discussion and provide a link to the version with the full text. "

I am doing you a favor and returning the Talk page edits you deleted. You are welcome! --Islamist 00:46, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

You are nobody

Who said it was an experiment? I am editing like anyone else. If you don't like it, you can edit it too. That's the Wikipedia method. You are nobody to tell me what to do. --Islamist 22:04, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Your arrogant threats are absusive and hostile. You should consider psychological counseling or medication. --Islamist 22:10, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Why do you insist on a page for islamofascism but delete the page on judeofascism?

What you are doing is vandalism and if you do not desist you will be blocked from editing. --Islamist 22:29, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

You are removing content

If you continue to abuse me and vandalize Wikipedia, I will be forced to take you to dispute resolution immediately. --Islamist 22:33, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Blocking

Looking at Islamist's contributions, I see no evidence of vandalism, let alone persistent vandalism. Creating a page Judeofascism - which had already been done before, by User:Ed Poor - may or may not be justified (the term gets some Google hits) but is clearly not vandalism; neither is redirecting Islamofascism to a singularly appropriate destination, as someone had already done with Judeofascism. Personal attacks are another matter, but he does not seem to have been warned about those yet. For these reasons, I am unblocking him/her. - Mustafaa 05:56, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

To Mel Eititis -

I noted your hypocrisy in editing and reverting islamofascism and Judeofascism and said that it indicated you must be a Jew. Was I wrong? No, you are a Jew. I didn't say you were a hypocrite on the gounds of being a Jew or because you are a Jew. I said your edits were hypocritical and your bias indicates that you are a Jew. It is a true statement so don;t try to turn it into a personal attack. Are you ashamed to be a Jew? You shouldn't be. Are you ashamed to edit Wikipedia articles in a biased manner? You should be. I am not ashamed to be a Muslim but then I do not make biased edits to promote a bigoted belief system either so I have nothing to be ashamed of. --Islamist 01:38, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

These comments are out of line, and appear designed "to promote a bigoted belief system" which has little to do with Islam. El_C 06:27, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

User:Islamist keeps vandalising Islamofascism and put it on VfD.

You're a wiki expert. How do you put a temporary freeze on editing, at least till VfD is over? Ideally, the page should be reverted back to a prevandalsim state, then frozen.

BTW, thanks alot for the wikification of the article.

Klonimus 02:09, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Article: Bihar

Hello Mel, I am quoting below the message sent to User:Sundar and User:Nichalp QuoteI find that the article Bihar has been edited by some one and changed to Bihar (India), and other articles with the same name has been also referred to there. I feel this is not a wise step. The matter requires assistance and discussions so that the article Bihar gets its former name. Please try to do something.--Bhadani 03:49, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC) PS- I have posted the following on discussion page of article bihar: quoteThe edits of 17 April 2005 by Hottentot has been reverted by me as already there was a section in the article Bihar – Bihar (disambiguation) and as such there was no justifiable reason to change the main character by the name Bihar. The edits regarding Bihar by Hottentot are being placed in the section Bihar (disambiguation) . Here, it is also pertinent to note that though wikipedia sets its own standard, but even in Enclopaedia Britannica Bihar has been separately dealt with, and in my humble opinion the case with wikipedia should not be different. The article Bihar represents a state of India and 100 million people reside in Bihar and Bihar has a recorded history of 2500 years. In any case, the position of Bihar as a separate article was already accepted by the community of wikipedians as the legend Bihar (disambiguation) was there along with the main article of Bihar.

I trust that the position has been clarified.Unquote

I find this article has again been reverted by Hottentot. Please try to do something. Thanks.Unquote Seek your assistance in resolving this issue. Thanks. --Bhadani 05:10, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Bihar - fresh developments

Article Bihar, fresh developments

Please also see (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bihar), thanks, --Bhadani 08:20, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Comparisons being odious

"I don't really follow this. It would probably help me if you could say how atheists act, and then I could judge whether or not Buddhists act like that." LOL! SlimVirgin ^(talk) 10:25, Apr 17, 2005 (UTC)

Stub sorting

The use of stubs and substubs has not stopped. That being said, there is a WikiProject to sort stubs (and substubs) into appropriate categories to better allow subject matter experts to find stubs within their field of knowledge.

In general, if you know of a category specific stub type that fits an article you are tagging please use it. Otherwise using stub of substub works as well. --Allen3 ^talk 11:46, Apr 17, 2005 (UTC)

Article Bihar

Article Bihar : Issue since resolved, thanks

Dear User:Hottentot and User:Mel Etitis User:Tony Sidaway User:Sundar User:Nichalp - Article Bihar related issue since resolved. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bihar), section Bihar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Bhadani) Thanks to you all. --Bhadani 14:29, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Stop telling me what to do. You are nobody

Your arrogant accusations against me that I have made personal attacks are false. I have not called you or any other editor a bigot. Some of your edits are bigoted and I revert them. Describing your edits as bigoted is not a personal attack. It is a description of your edits not you. Stop your abusive behavior. --Islamist 14:47, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I laugh at your arrogant threats. You are nobody to threaten me. You are just another editor. What makes you think you have any authority to order me or anyone else around? I suggest you read Wikipedia policies and adhere to them. Your edits are abusive and your accusations against me amount to personal attacks. I welcome entering into dispute resolution process with you to help you stop your abusive editing practices. --Islamist 15:23, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks!

Hello. Just wanted to say thanks for deleting non-encyclopedic pages in Wikipedia! Specifically the page Michael lee. It has been created before in the past, and is difficult to remove because the the delete tag is often removed by the page creator once it's placed there. I was just experimenting with baby sitting Wikipedia and realized how useful it could be to track vandalism. HappyCamper 16:09, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

A riddling proof or a proving riddle?

God is Omnipotent
Omnipotence is defined as infinite ability
This must include the ability to create a logical contradiction
Ex impossibile, quodlibet.
Therefore: God does not exist.

This is a well-formed argument; either God does not exist per definitio or our definition of God must be limited to avoid contradiction-forming infinities. Just wanted to run this past a logician/philosopher. My kudos for your contributions, by the way - I want to take some time to do a bulk-refactoring of our philosophy content when I have some free time. It's good to know there are some professionals in our midst. Yours in theory, nsh 16:03, Apr 17, 2005 (UTC)

Well, 'omnipotence' is defined as the ability to do anything. But the logically impossible isn't part of anything — it's just a certain way of producing syntactically well-formed string of words that make no sense. Therefore omnipotence doesn't imply being able to do the logically impossible. (It's the same problem as suffered by the hoary old supposed paradox of god's creating a weight that he can't lift; "a weight that an omnipotent being can't lift" is nonsensical — it doesn't express a concept. Sorry.

Good luck with the philosophy articles, though. They're mostly pretty weak, but everybody thinks that she can have a say, and improving them can be a thankless task. Let me know if you need any help. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 16:11, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Yes, this mediative conclusion echoes mine. Any definition of omnipotence should preclude logical contradictions. Unfortunately however, it's my experience that most theists hold a concept of God's omnipotence that does not have this qualification, my father - a baptist minister - included. But I don't want to ruin an interesting philosophical discussion with the irrationality of religious people. The real question that arises is this: can the laws of definitory interaction (mathematics, logic) be said to be fixed in some way that nothing could exist without coherence to them? And does this mean there is some innate structure to the universe, akin to the Platonic forms? nsh 16:23, Apr 17, 2005 (UTC)

Among the great (and middling) philosophers, only Descartes, so far as I know, held that omnipotence must involve being able to create the logically impossible (though it's not quite that simple with him). I don't think that the point about the logically impossible says anything about metaphysics, though. After all, it's not ruling anything out. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 16:31, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I doubt I'm alone in considering M. Descartes' religion to be anathematic to his philosophy. The jump from definatory logic to metaphysics requres further explanation: The problem (as most) can be best summarised in a choice between phrasings: is it better to say "We discover mathematics", or "We invent mathematics"? I lean towards the former, because the results of mathematics are a priori (discovered), while the methods to arrive at said results can be said to be a posteriori (~= invented) to a certain extent. I consider it impossible to imagine a universe where 1 is not equal to 1, and mathematics is generally (dis)proven by reduction to similarly unimpeachable axioms. If the defined universe is help to immutable laws, does this affect the physical universe, or merely our understanding and comprehension of it? Does mathematics limit the power of God? - to bring us full circle.

Impersonation of Jimbo Wales

Hello. Please check the user JIMBO WALES (all capitals). I think this user is starting to vandalize a lot of pages... HappyCamper 16:27, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

A request, for when you have time

I'm one of the editors of the article on libertarianism, and am eager to get it to featured status. I've only been here a month, so I thought it would be good to get some experienced editors to look at it before I submit it. I already submitted it for peer review, where I got some good advice (which I implemented) and then nothing until it got closed as "inactive." I thought you would be able to help me because you've done good work on a whole bunch of pages and have some interest in politics, philosophy (including objectivsim).

If you could read through the article when you have time and tell me what you think, I'd love to hear from you. If you're too busy, I'll understand. Thanks in advance, Dave (talk) 21:37, Apr 17, 2005 (UTC)

User:Islamist

Ok, I know you dealt (and blocked) this user before. I just left a long notice on his talk page dealing with his POV and his personal attacks. The main page that I am having problems with him on is the Gallery of national flags. I know we have "states" like Taiwan and Western Saharah, but this user always keeps on trying to add the Palestine flag to the list, though it is not a nation yet. I reverted him once, so did another user. If you want to watch this page, that is fine with me, but I just hope I am not in the middle of an edit war. My poor Wikiheart might not last in this war. Zscout370 03:27, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I replied on your Talk page. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Or learn to edit in an NPOV manner. Palestine is a state, it is just occupied by bigots, alot like Wikipedia. --Islamist 03:48, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Suleyman Ahmad

Mel Etitis: AlladinSE referred me to you (he's out of town. I need help on the Stephen_Schwartz_(disambiguation) page. Stepehn Schwartz (historian) needs to be linked to his lesser known name as Suleyman Ahmad. Stephen Schwartz (author) should be Stephen Schwartz (composer). If you can help let me know. Thx --nobs

taiwanese writers

dear mel etitis, this is shidailun. thank you for your messages. i started a category Taiwanese Writers, only to learn the wikipedia convention is Taiwanese writers (second word uncapitalized). i would like to switch all the writers in the category over to the new category to conform to convention, but am afraid of screwing up. thank you, shidailun.

Image:Arequipacathedral.jpg

I was referring to the second image I, dynamax, uploaded so it can be deleted, since I uploaded a highter quality one to use for the Arequipa article. Thanks.

No, I'm not the stuart. I am a friend of his, though. Why do you ask?

RfC

Hello, just to let you know, User:Islamist is on the RfC page. SeeWikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Islamist. Zscout370 14:03, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hudud

I don't think peer review on such a small article and on a subject with a very limitted amount of editors would work. I disagree, however, with removal of the NPOV tag because, they may disfigure but I would rather have my article look bad than convince someone that my conjecture was truth. I won't re-add it but that's just what I think. I think anything we do to increase the number of readers and interest in the article will help others to come and hopefully critique my work. I think the problem, as it stands is that the view agaisnt certain punishments needs to be covered in an extensive section about critiques of sharia. I have to think about this more (and get my book on it)... but most every source is biased... thanks for the interest though gren 14:09, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Deletion Request

Hi My name is Renato. You placed the article on me for deletion, under vanity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Renato_Bacelar_da_Silveira

Can you please tell me in 3 lines why it is so?

email: renatodasil@excite.com

Thank you

Renato Bacelar da Silveira.

(butting in here) Renato: wikipedia contains different namespaces for different types of content. The main namespace (where the articles are) contains biographies only for people who are well known. Wikipedia contributors, such as your self, keep their own pages in the user: namespace. That way they're not claiming to be important (and, incidentally, have much more control over the page). What I suggest you do is register for a wikipedia account (for example, "Renato") and copy the page in question there. The reason Mel has tagged it for deletion is that we run into an unfortunate number of people who try to pretend they're as important as kings and presidents and popes and such. From a check of your page, it's clear you intend no such deception, and that you've just misunderstood our (rather complicated, I confess) rules for what goes where. Mel: "vanity" is a rather unfortunate term, perhaps "newbie namespace snafu" would be more delicate? -- John Fader (talk | contribs) 15:54, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

- I also sent this person a question an email, telling him the same thing that John is describing. Once the account is set up, I will vote userfy. Zscout370 15:58, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I agree that 'vanity' is used very peculiarly (and sometimes hurtfully) on Wikipedia. I've tried to think of a snappy alternative, but have so far failed. Your idea would involve judging whether or not we have genuine vanity, Wikipedia-vanity, or new-user mistake, and that's often not easy. The wording of the template isn't actually that bad:

Some of the people, places or things you have written about in the article [[{{{1}}}]] may not be well-known enough to merit articles of their own. The Wikipedia community welcomes newcomers, and encourages them to become Wikipedians. By starting an account or logging in, each user is entitled to a user page in which they can describe themselves, and this article's content may be incorporated into that page. However, to merit inclusion in the encyclopedia proper a subject must be notable. We encourage you to write or improve articles on notable subjects.

it's just the template's name (and the way articles are referred to in discussions, especially VfDs) that's the problem. My apologies to Renato if I caused him offence. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 21:30, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Pashtuns

Elitis, I was trying to resolve Pashtuns Tribes list disputes through in Talk:Pashtun, as some suggestions have been referred to me by my friends, you were the one among them, but now really sorry to say, someone has blocked me even from Talk:Pashtun. Is it fair ? -- Haider 18:04, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Free kick (rugby union)

It should read rugby union not rugby.

I believed that 'free kicks' are a union thing but I had to check that league rules did not also refer to free kicks. I've now checked and they don't.GordyB 21:07, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hmm. Union rules aren't easily picked up, try watching League or buy a book. I recommend Rugby: A player's guide to the laws - Derek Robinson easy to understand.GordyB 21:29, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Please help me out here

Hi. It's part of an admins' job to talk with all kinds of people, preventing conflicts from flaring up before they happen, and ensuring that wikipedia is used for smooth editing. This includes a lot of talking with people who you (unproductively perhaps) label as "disruptive and POV-pushers".

Now as to the case of Rednblu, it is yet to be proven that he is or was ever one, and my own investigation so far did not turn up any problems with him. That's why I'm asking Bensaccount for elucidation.

I'd like to ask you to please not hinder me again while I'm trying to sort out wikipedia policy.

Kim Bruning 00:00, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks Mel. If someone tried to nominate Ungtss, I would know they must be biased and not even bother, but since this was (duplicitous?) Rednblu I thought maybe Kim was being mislead. Bensaccount 00:20, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

"I'm afraid that Kim Bruning (talk · contributions) is far from neutral in all this; he supports disruptive and PoV-pushing users like Sam Spade, Rednblu, Ungtss, et al. at every opportunity." I've supported Sam Spade many times, Netoholic, Lir... so I guess that makes two of us, right? ugen 64 00:28, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Ugh...Lir. Don't remind me. Bensaccount 00:31, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Alright, Mel Etitis, you managed to convince Bensaccount that I'm a troll rather than an admin :-P I'd like to ask you to do the work instead then, please. :-) I need to be at an IRL wikipedia meeting tomorrow evening to try and help 2 key people improve wiktionary, and if I miss much more hours sleep now, I won't be able to make it.

Please talk with Bensaccount and figure out what his story is about, and tell me on my user talk. Thanks. Kim Bruning

I find it significant that Kim Bruning takes what I said and turns it into an attempt to show that he's a troll not an admin. That's the sort of twiisting of words that's so typical of SS, Rednblu, et al.. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 09:51, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

If you think you can do better, ok, fine, no problem, I'm delegating this task to you. Show me what you can do! (Good luck :-) ).

Rednblu did fairly well up to around about december last year AFAICR. Please show any activities since then that might lead to the conclusion that he isn't suitable for admin. Since the cat is out of the bag, this is fairly high priority and needs to be done quickly. I had expected to be done with this by thursday at the outmost. Please inform me ASAP if you cannot achieve that deadline. Kim Bruning 11:05, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

FYI, this will be of interest and assistance: User_talk:Rednblu/Archive2003_07_01To2004_10_30#Allegations_against_User:Rednblu FeloniousMonk 06:35, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I haven't hindered anybody, much less while they were "sorting out Wikipedia policy" (something that I was unaware admins did solo, anyway). I merely explained to Bensaccount my view of the situation, because I thought (rightly, as it turned out) that he was unaware of the background.
There is no deadline to be met. If you wanted to do whatever you wanted to do by Thursday, that's fine; I'm not bound by it.
I have no obligation in this matter at all, in fact; indeed, it's not clear to me that there's really anything to do. If Rednblu were to be nominated for adminship, I suspect that the voting would be close, if not clearly against, but I might be wrong — I have no interest in trying to head off such a nomination, though. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 11:19, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I'm very sorry, but as you might have surmised I do not have time to address all your points at this moment in time. Can I please finally get a clear reply that either you will or that you will not be able to help me out on this? Kim Bruning 11:37, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

You still haven't said what you're trying to do. All I've seen is Bensaccount trying to bring to your attention that Rednblu is a disruptive and duplicitous editor, a resulting spat between him and Rednblu, and your saying that you didn't intend to start a fight. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 11:53, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Ok, last try :-) I also mailed you. I'm tracking down information pro and contra Rednblu for admin, because Bensaccounts words prompt me to doublecheck. Bensaccount has left 1 reply to me so far on his talk page, but putting that up against the light of policy leaves that clean, so maybe there's some missing clue. There's likely more information on Rednblus conduct (good or bad) to be found in that archive, and bouncing it off of Bensaccount and perhaps other editors who agree with him will give more insight into Rednblu's behaviour. This involves reading past discussions, and also asking particular users for elucidation, where nescesary. As a guideline: it's ok for people to make mistakes if they do, but how they deal with those and with those of others gives insight into their character and their suitability as admin. The time limit I'm under is due to your own actions, it gets rather harder to predict the exact consequences of what you've been saying past roughly thursday, like I said above. Nothing might happen, or a lot. Let's not take chances. :-)

Anyway, if you have time to do so, I'd ask you to please determine Rednblus suitability for admin nomination (the metric being: will he pass it. And I need to know rigorously which reasons will be supplied?), and see where there might be room for improvement. Thank you for your time. Kim Bruning 12:20, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Well, FeloniousMonk's link above gives a fair bit to go on — probably as much as you have time for. My own view is that he'd be an appalling choice; he's shown absolutely no interest in admin-chores of any kind, and has a pretty narrow range of editing interests, on which he edits from a clear PoV very much out of keeping with the claims about his views that he makes on Talk pages and his User page. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 12:34, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thank you! :) Feloniousmonk indeed points to a very interested facilitated discussion, and that discussion was concluded quite a while ago, so I was already aware of it. In fact I successfully nominated User:Hawstom based on his conduct in facilitating that discussion. While Rednblu and Feloniousmonk showed very good behaviour as well, I hadn't gotten around to nominating them yet.

I did try talking with FeloniousMonk, but for reasons known to both Feloniousmonk and myself I did not proceed to nominate him.

Currently I'm doing a further examination of Rednblu, due to concerns from you and Bensaccount.

So in conclusion I'm looking for information outside that discussion. Even so, thank you very much for making an effort so far! Kim Bruning 15:47, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I don't know what this is about exactly (and Mel if you don't want this discussion on your talk page, feel free to delete my post), but there are no deadlines for nominating someone for adminship: it can be done anytime. For the record, I will oppose Rednblu and he is aware of the evidence regarding what I see as his unsuitability, so Kim, Rednblu is the best person to ask if you want that information. This is not to say that a person can't change — people can and should be allowed to — but it would require evidence of lots of good-faith editing. Anything further can be said on the nomination page if he's nominated. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 15:51, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)

Coquette

Just being consistent, as the majority of film articles have (movie) rather than (film). I'm not sure why (movie) is preferred though; i'd have though it would be the other way round. Xezbeth 07:38, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)

Blocked from Pashtun talk page

Mel Etitis, Yes I mean it what I am saying, I have been blocked even I can't access to that page, I can move around where ever I like exept TALK e.g I sent you a message but I can't say anything in Pashtun Talk page, that is unreachable. Whenever I click Talk:Pashtun page, I find a blank page. That is a discussion page and every body has his right to reply and ask if someone is trying to prove something regarding Pashtuns through some logical references. Is it a suppression just for me ? Who did it ? Do anybody has the authority to do like this? Wouldn't it effect the beauty of Wikipedia? -- Haider 12:43, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Giovanni di Stefano

Hi there. Would you mind taking a look at Giovanni Di Stefano sometime, please. I seem to have got myself into an edit war with a new user who is deleting great chunks of the article - pretty much anything critical of Di Stefano. The information in question comes from articles in The Scotsman and BBC news, so I take them at face value. I've asked them on their talk page, and the article discussion page to explain their changes, but no joy. I'm assuming good faith, and not going to risk reverting them for the third time. Anilocra 12:25, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

(edit) oh, they're taking the p*ss now! They just deleted the external links to critical articles...

Much appreciated. Thought I'd better check I wasn't being unreasonable before using my last revert. Best wishes. Anilocra 12:55, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

My staff will delete all material that is defamatory on this site. If you have anything to post on the site have the courage to e mail me directly and provide your full details, name and address as I provide mine: Giovanni Di Stefano 3-5 Wardrobe Place London EC4V 5AH

ministry lists

These articles are simply lists of ministers. they don't need wikification or subheads or TOC boxes. all you are doing is creating useless and ugly clutter on the pages. why don't you go and do something useful instead of messing up articles which are perfectly ok as they are? Adam 13:20, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)