Talk:Saw IV

Threshold For Article Recreation

Lionsgate announced this morning that after the opening box office weekend success of Saw III, that Saw IV will go into production and will most likely be schedueled for a Halloween 2007 release date, following a similar release date pattern to the previous Saw films.

Saw 4 will dig deeper into Jigsaw's insight on life and death. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.60.99.215 (talk • contribs)

Source? JDoorjam Talk 01:52, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

www.bloody-disgusting.com confirmed this statement earlier today, along with joblo and ign.com.

(edit conflict)Nevermind, found my own: here's the AP saying Lionsgate is planning a fourth installment. But there isn't even an IMDb stub. I fully expect this topic will be article-worthy very very soon, but for now it's just a gleam in Lionsgate's eye. Articles should not be written for movies that are simply speculated about, no matter how likely we believe their imminent production to be. On the other hand, once this gets legs, BAM! the article will be good to go. (Btw, please sign your posts with four tildes, thusly: ~~~~ .) JDoorjam Talk 02:07, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I saw on CNN.com on October 29 ‘Lionsgate plans to have "Saw IV" in theaters over Halloween weekend next year.’ That there will be a fourth installment. I personally believe that the deletion of this page in the first place was premature. Although the movie was still under speculation, there was a huge amount of unofficial talk that Lionsgate was not denying. Just thought I would put in my two cents. --Dleav 14:13, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

No, the creation of the page was premature, by your own admission. If you believe we should have articles about things "under speculation" based on "unofficial talk" then you do not have a full understanding of Wikipedia standards. Fan-1967 15:38, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Lionsgate said that Saw IV is being made. This is almost more detail than Star Trek XI. --myselfalso 15:54, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, but that's just ridiculous. Paramount has announced a production team, and has stated the movie is in production. There are writers and a director. By contrast, Lion's Gate has basically said "We'll make another one" with no further information of any sort. How is that "almost more detail"? Fan-1967 15:59, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Star Trek XI also has an IMDb entry, and even has a promo poster. These are all excellent metrics for when Saw IV should have an article. When the film has confirmed writers, a director, producers, an IMDb entry, and Gene Roddenberry has a credit for character development (ok, I'm flexible on this one), or at least a compelling mix of these elements, preferably with a confirmed cast, then that should be enough. But Fan-1967 is right: "We'll make another one" is insufficient. JDoorjam Talk 18:06, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

IMDB entry? What does an IMDB entry have to do with anything? Without commenting on the general topic at hand, I will say that IMDB entries have nothing to do with whether a film has been, will be, was, or even may be made because the IMDB is user edited and not a reputable source by any definition of the word. Mad Jack 23:03, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

True. Often IMDB will carry really tenuous projects that are way too unverifiable to meet Wikipedia standards. This one is so vaporous that it doesn't even meet IMDB's standards, such as they are. If it's in IMDB, it may or may not happen. If it's not even there yet, it hasn't gotten past the discussion stage yet. Fan-1967 23:08, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

You'll notice I listed it as one among several criteria. I would say we do give IMDb some repute, as we have this thing lying around and in wide use: {{imdb}}. But I think the three of us are basically groping the elephant here, and are saying the same thing: Saw IV needs more. JDoorjam Talk 23:17, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Actually IMDB is actually listing it now as in production. --Zoiks 13:02, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

IMDB is also listing it now as starring Jessica Alba (yeah, right) and Goran Vischnic (however you spell his name). I think the nice people at the IMDB controls need to just press the self-destruct button and put themselves out of their misery. Mad Jack 00:53, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Really? Fascinating. That's the same alleged cast as "The Eye" ([1]) another film that has been making the rounds of the rumor mills. I think maybe IMDB's been punked. Fan-1967 01:04, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Are you surprised? The IMDB isn't that bad when it comes to most films that have already been made and released. But when it comes to upcoming movies, it's game over in terms of even mild reliability. Mad Jack 01:13, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Wow, the elitism here is astounding. It's like I'm drowning in a festering pool of Tom Cruise-esque people. Also, here's my signature.136.176.84.103 23:43, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Elitism is bad, indeed. Vegetaman 03:10, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Isn't it enough that the movie has been announced by Lionsgate that it will be released next fall. We now know it exists and the date of release. I will admit that there is nothing else confirmed, but I think it still merits it's own page.--Dleav 14:49, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

That wouldn't merit a page, because there wouldn't be enough information to actually support itself. Bignole 15:20, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Create Article

When is this article available to create as there appears to be numerous sources cropping up stating the following Saw 4 and 5 releases.

• Stunning News! "Saw 4" Next October!
• [2]
• [3]
• [4]

These all either reference the same article, or each other, or have no references at all. When there are news stories or official press releases about the things we talked about in the previous thread, it will be time to unlock the article. JDoorjam Talk 06:34, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Saw IV

Can some one delete that too? Mad Jack 05:35, 7 November 2006 (UTC

why delete it--AndySawFan 17:47, 7 November 2006 (UTC)ac

Because when a page is deleted the proper (only) way to recreate it under Wikipedia procedures is through Deletion Review, not sneak it back in under a different title. For that reason, your version, at Saw Sequel (2007) has likewise been tagged for deletion. Fan-1967 17:58, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

why do you guys even care, its just a page for the fans --AndySawFan 17:59, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Then find a fan forum. This isn't one. Fan-1967 18:01, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Let me ask you this, you guys have a page for Sin City 2, something that is all merely rumors and speculation, no official announcement of the project has ever been made. There have been more sources confirming Saw IV, as opposed to the limited amount of sources leading to information os Sin City 2.--AndySawFan 18:12, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

We have nothing. If you honestly think the Sin City 2 article does not merit inclusion, feel free to run it through the process as I did for Saw IV. I'm not editing as much as I did when that happened, but if I happen to get a chance to review it and it appears to be unencyclopedic, perhaps I'll nominate it for deletion myself. As to Saw IV, the status of the project at the time of its nomination was that it was rumored. There is slightly more material about the project now, but I'd agree that it's not yet enough to unprotect the article name and allow for an article. Erechtheus 18:34, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

...and to repeat, the process for unprotecting is Deletion Review. All the discussion in the world on this page will not lead to its unprotection, and versions of the article under alternate titles will be deleted until a review determines that the article should be recreated. Fan-1967 18:56, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia e-penis is a bad e-penis. And stop coming down on IMDB so hard.136.176.84.103 23:44, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia is more reliable than the IMDB at this point, mostly because here, unlike there, it only takes a second to remove wrong information. On the IMDB, it stays up for years and years and years.... Mad Jack 00:15, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Why?

Why are people so hesistant to allow people to create this article? We all know Saw IV will happen. Infact we have more proof a Saw IV will happen than a Jurassic Park IV will ever happen. -24.92.46.16 17:02, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Release Date Confirmed

http://movies.ign.com/articles/745/745347p1.html

Lionsgate announced a release date of Oct 26, 2007

Why would it be released on the 26th? Closest to Halloween would be the 27th, a Friday, the day that new movies are released in theatres... JackOfHearts 06:13, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

You may want to look at your calendar again. In 2007, the 26th is a Friday. The 27th was Friday this year. Erechtheus 03:37, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I thought the pattern was going back one day from the release of the last. --Spencer "The Belldog" Bermudez | (Complain here) 11:00, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I figure it would be released closest to Halloween, the same as the rest... 24.71.118.12 02:05, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Movie Facts So Far

• Production begins: April 16[5]
• To be released on: October 26, 2007[6]
• To star: Tobin Bell[7]

Jack Of Hearts | Miss A Turn 07:08, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

According to bloody-disgusting.com (and other sources), they also announced that Darren Lynn Bousman is directing the film as well as Leigh Whannel and James Wan as executive producers. Enter Movie 19:54, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Darren has confirmed himself that he's to be directing. He went on a rant in a myspace blog about how amazing the script was and how it was a "not a step backwards- it's a leap forward". I would post a link, but the wiki spam thing won't let me (if you're still curious search for Darren Bousman at myspace and read the blog). I'm not sure if a myspace blog credits as a good source, but its from Darren himself and its not a fake myspace. I know, I talked to him about having a myspace at a Fango Conventioin in January. -Lindsey8417 08:22, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

? Content Deletion ?

I've just checked the Saw IV article page, and the cast has gone, so has some production information I uploaded yesterday (it was still there this morning). However there is no record of someone deleting this information? Does anyone know anything about it?

Can I revert it back to what it was like this morning? Movie Junkie 16:21, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes. --Geniac 20:23, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

i have a question is this cast for real ? cuz it seems a little over the top and far fetched like the power rangers trap for instance im just asking out of curiosity

That's why I deleted the weird cast list, because obviously it was a hoax. It was well thought out and very funny, but those types of things don't belong here, so I didn't hesitate to ask before I got rid of it. Also, for future reference, please sign your posts on Wikipedia talk pages, by using four tidles (~~~~). Thank you. VonShroom 20:19, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Um...

If they're making Saw IV, then doesn't that mean that Jigsaw is still alive?--71.50.86.66 22:01, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Not necessarily. Plenty of ways to make a fourth film featuring Tobin Bell that doesn't involve him surviving his fate at the end of Saw III.--CyberGhostface 22:28, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Denzel will be in this movie.

c'mon don't get my hopes up if it's not true. I can't find any info so i'll delete that line for now, but to whomever added it: PLEASE find a source so i can celebrate if it's true.Nnfolz 03:56, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Plot...

"Jigsaw is back to 'haunt the living' in Saw IV. It follows on from Saw III, as Jeff (one of Jigsaws previous victims in Saw III) must find his daughter before its too late. He later finds out that it isn't over, as new pieces are added to the puzzle."
This plot was taken from Bloody-Disgusting, which got it from Fearnet. If you follow their link to fearnet, you'll notice that they say that the plot was taken from IMDb, which thus far has been notorious for fake plots. I suggest this plot be removed. Jack Of Hearts | Miss A Turn 23:47, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Good point. I'll remove it until a more verifiable source can back it up. It sounds like one of those fake summaries those anon morons keep on adding in here anyway.--CyberGhostface 01:31, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Movie Poster

So, what the movie poster fake and therefore removed from the article? Or was it just removed for no apparent reason? Defunct Lies 16:45, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I think some fan made it with photoshop.--CyberGhostface 19:32, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Shawnee Smith

Does anybody think that Shawnee Smith's character, Amanda will return? If Tobin Bell's character is, then she may aswell, right? I hope so cause I really like her! Chris024 06:38, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Movieweb (http://www.movieweb.com/news/43/19743.php) claims that Shawnee Smith has been cast in Saw 4. However, either IMDB or Bloody Disgusting makes no mention of her. Vesica 18:08, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

71.182.190.162's Comment

does anybody have an idea for when a offical storyline will be released? it should be at least close to finishing production by now 71.182.190.162 17:10, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

They will most likely release a trailer the same day Hostel: Part 2 hits the cinema, so it's possible that they release the plot around that time to. Vesica 11:57, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Protection

Hey, can an Admin possibly protect this page, because I think everybody is sick of reverting this "Yo mamma" person's vandalism. Just thought I'd bring up. JpGrB 22:31, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

The poster

Could someone please check to verify whether or not that poster with the skull is legit? --Lenin and McCarthy | (Complain here) 23:45, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Fake Poster?

I Know Its On Joblo.com But it looks Fake. I Mean its photocopied.

Jeff

Is Jeff even going to be in this movie or what because the ending of Saw III said he would have to play a game and it mainly revolveded around him. I looked at the cast and he wasnt the re. Well if he isn't then I don't mind because I think bringing him into the series was a HUGE mistake. And that sucks Amanda is dead she was so cool!!

It would seem logical to begin the story with Jeff but not have him in for the whole story, as is the case at the start of Saw III with Eric appearing for a few minutes at the start and the end Windog 2008 15:22, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Serious rewrite

The current plot section, IMPO, looks a touch messy. I might want at some point to rewrite it quite a bit, primarily by replacing much of it with a cast list, as used on "The Dark Knight (film)", that would have the exact same information. Any objections? --Lenin and McCarthy | (Complain here) 22:40, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

I think the article is fine as it is, it just needs to be grouped properly. For example, all the info on Jigsaw and his return and his character in general in one paragraph, stuff about traps and tests in another, another for characters confirmed to be returning and premiering, etc. Alot of info wouldn't fit in with a character list. Jack Of Hearts | Miss A Turn 23:12, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

At any rate, I would like to put the cast list into a text-list format used on other good film articles rather than the table we have now. --Lenin and McCarthy | (Complain here) 17:13, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I dunno, the text-version cast list on the Dark Knight page, as well as other movie pages, looks too cluttered, I think the cast-table is clear and simple, doesn't consume too much space... Jack Of Hearts | Miss A Turn 16:00, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Jeff Reinhart/Denlon

I don't see why Jeff would be called Denlon. Lynn was the cheating Doctor so she used her maiden name (Denlon) as opposed to her husband's name (Reinhart). Opinions?

 ViperBlade ^Talk!! 20:28, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

This was being discussed on Jeff's talk page. Jack Of Hearts | Miss A Turn 03:08, 25 June 2007 (UTC) Ah crap. I missed that, lol. Thanks

 ViperBlade ^Talk!! 20:49, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Another poster

The IGN page has a poster up. Can anyone find out what it is or where it can be found? --Lenin and McCarthy | (Complain here) 02:29, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Entourage

On an episode of Entourage, Ari tells his wife that he was given the script for Saw IV to read. Can I add this to the article somewhere?

How is it encyclopedic to the article?--CyberGhostface 20:18, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Blonde woman

The blonde woman is jigsaw's old girlfriend...

Unless you have a source, that piece of info doesn't contribute anything to the article. JMJ 01:09, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, I don't know how much I agree with the above statement. It does indeed pertain to this page. In the synopsis provided on the Saw IV article, it mentions Jill being Jigsaws "ex-wife." We know, however, from Saw: Rebirth, that Jill IS in fact his ex-girlfriend, not "ex-wife". 76.226.5.56 00:14, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

True, but it wouldn't help to say "The woman in this picture might be Jill" in the article until we know that for a fact. Jordan

Not really. This is an encyclopedia, not a crystal ball. Apparently speculation is frowned upon.

 ViperBlade ^Talk!! 12:39, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Spoiler warning?

Do we have enough support to put a spoiler alert-tag before the plot-section? With (supposed) details on certain characters, like Det. Matthews, it could be good to have. I'm not aware of how Wikipedia handles not 100% confirmed plot details, but I think people would feel spoiled knowing that Matthews didn't die, even if it's just a red herring.

Recent discussions concerning that template have ruled it obsolete it section explictly labeled "plot", "Synopsys" and the like. --Lenin and McCarthy | (Complain here) 19:12, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Comic-Con 2007

• "Mark Burg and Darren Lynn Bousman announced that they had just got an NC-17 rating on the very first cut of the film."
• "The clip they originally wanted to show and bring got rejected, it was the opening trap, so this is instead another clip. They wanted to show the first 5 minutes but were rejected because it was “too much." This is “clearly a step above the other 3."
• "SPOILER: Burg stated that “in our world, legends never die" when asked how Jigsaw would be in the fourth movie when he clearly died at the end of Saw III. He also promised fans that there are no cheats and fans will be shocked to find out how everything happens.
• SPOILER of First Scene of Saw 4

"A guy wakes up in a funeral chamber (with the pull out tombs up the wall) with both of his eyes sewn closed. There is a chain tied around his neck and he wakes up trying to figure out what's going on. The camera pans across and there is another guy chained up to the same chain on the other end around his neck with his mouth sewn closed. The trap is one thinks the other is the cause but he can't say anything to make him stop going crazy. The guy with his mouth shout notices a key on the back of the neck of the guy with his eyes shut and therefore goes after him to try and get it.

They start going crazy and there is a machine in the middle that once they pull the chains enough it pops a lock and the machine in the middle starts winding so the chain starts shortening on both ends. The guy with his eyelids sewn closed starts going crazy and finds some tools on the ground like a hammer and a big hook. Eventually he starts swatting with them and they fight each other until one kills the other after being impaled with the hook. After the last guy gets killed while laying over the machine by having his face bashed with a hammer, the last guy rips open his mouth and gushes blood from his mouth. End!"

Comic-Con 2007 Links

1. Comic-Con 2007 Lionsgate Coverage
2. Saw IV Details from Comic-Con: First Scene and NC-17 Rating
3. 5 Minute Sneak Peek at Saw IV

--Mithos90 01:21, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

I have no problem with such information being added to the article, but it should be kept short and sweet. Maybe a very, I stress very, brief description of the scene that was shown. — Movie Junkie 19:26, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

I Would Want to but I am still new to wiki and its Coding. I would Love and would not mind if someone else to do the honors please. Thank You. --Mithos90 21:03, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

I recall them stating something about Saw V and the director is the second unit director of the previous films. Maybe I just hallucinated? Can anyone confirm or deny? -Lindsey8417 03:26, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Here are two Comic-Con 2007 Exclusive Videos on Darren Lynn Bousman and Tobin Bell on Saw IV. Darren Lynn Bousman, during the interview, he mentions one of the props in the movie which is the "Knife Chair" but does not go into description about it.

• Movie Web INTERVEIW: COMIC-CON 2007 EXCLUSIVE VIDEO: Darren Lynn Bousman and Tobin Bell on Saw IV!
• IGN Comic-con EXCLUSIVE Interview: Darren Lynn Bousman and Tobin Bell

--Mithos90 08:21, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

I Finally Found the Video in Which they were interviewed Tobin Bell and Darren Lynn Bousman at the same time. The Interview by IGN and the Interview by Movie Web. Nothing too big But I just had to find it.

• IGN Comic-con EXCLUSIVE Interview: Darren Lynn Bousman and Tobin Bell

--Mithos90 07:00, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Knife Chair

Here is a Comic-Con 2007 Exclusive Video on Darren Lynn Bousman and Tobin Bell on Saw IV. Darren Lynn Bousman, during the interview, he mentions one of the props in the movie which one is called the "Knife Chair" but does not go into description about it.

IGN Today(August 21, 2007) Has released a Picture of the Knife Chair Itself or what looks most likely to be the Knife Chair

• IGN New Saw 4 Picture
• Movie Web INTERVEIW: COMIC-CON 2007 EXCLUSIVE VIDEO: Darren Lynn Bousman and Tobin Bell on Saw IV! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mithos90 (talk • contribs) 16:53, August 22, 2007 (UTC).

Poster

Before any sort of revert war starts, I would like to start a discussion on which of the two posters is more suitable for the page. Any comments? --Lenin and McCarthy | (Complain here) 21:05, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

In my opinion I believe the severed head one looks better. If one is more definitive than the other, that'd be one thing, but if they're simply alternate versions then the original one should stay.--CyberGhostface 21:21, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, I agree on the head, but why not do as the one edit had done, with adding the other poster somewhere (smaller) in the article as a released poster? Just a suggestion. JpGrB 21:26, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

I Agree with the poster staying as the head. Its alot better than the other posters by far. i assume there will be a better poster when it is released though. DeadWood 21:45, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

The head is only the UK poster, I think we should put up the other poster, which they officially released at comic-con... the head one is also already being used on the series page, and the "IV" poster ought to be used... Jack Of Hearts | Miss A Turn 00:24, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't honestly know if all the good posters so far have been UK only but the head one is the exact same style as the ones we got here and used on the series page. They look much better and fit the style plus are important to display the continuing trend of using body parts in the official advertising. Moving through the film articles and hitting one with that crappy tray with utensils poster would ruin the flow of the saw series of articles.

EDIT: After looking through the other articles it appears that yes, only the UK gets the good posters. NEver seen those other ones and they're terrible in comparison.Darkwarriorblake 01:36, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

All in favor or reinstating the body part posters (currently located on the series page) to the other films? I argue that the DVD covers are based on these posters and thus they're more iconic. --Lenin and McCarthy | (Complain here) 01:49, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't know. I think the non-body part posters do a better job of displaying the film's plot than the others. (And the last two DVDs combined both posters by using the transparent case). For example, Jigsaw in the red cloak is better representative of Saw III, then the shot of three teeth which was never used at all in the film. And the shot of Amanda in the bear trap is more representative of Saw than a severed hand. (If it was a severed foot that'd be another thing).--CyberGhostface 01:59, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

They did that too. --Lenin and McCarthy | (Complain here) 02:25, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

I think the body part posters should be for the series page, let the other posters (Amanda Trap, Billy and Fingers, John in red cloak, and utensils) be used for the individual pages. Jack Of Hearts | Miss A Turn 06:37, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

The non-body part posters must be US only because they were never used here. They are however not all that indicative of the package more than the body part ones. However the body part posters are consistent most important from movie to movie in colour-scheme and theme and are very recognisable components of the film series. The Saw 3 one for example. I don't remember seeing Jigsaw in a cloak, do you? I remember seeing him pretty much dead for the entire film but thats about it. The blue style posters are definetly much more fitting, appropriate and iconic and should really be used for the film pages.Darkwarriorblake 22:24, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Cary Elwes

there's no source cited for the unconfirmed cast of Cary Elwes Nico92400 20:20, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

i love you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.180.27.240 (talk) 00:26, August 20, 2007 (UTC)

still no sources for Cary Elwes Nico92400 08:33, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

lol. Mechasam —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.180.27.240 (talk) 21:57, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Possible Final Poster

IGN Today(August 29, 2007) has posted maybe the final Poster of Saw 4 before the actual release of the Movie on October 26th, 2007. Was Wondering if This Poster Would be added to the Article or voted upon the other Saw 4 Posters that have been released before this one?

IGN Quotes

"Exclusive: See the final poster for the upcoming horror sequel, only at IGN!"

• Final One-Sheet: Saw IV Poster

--^҉ რɫՒ◌§ 9¤ _ॐ 00:12, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

If this goes up, the screenshot depicting this trap would probably be obsolete. --Lenin and McCarthy | (Complain here) 22:33, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

On The bottom of the Poster It has almost the Whole crew from the film listed....is it possible to get more information from the credits on the bottom of the poster and add them to the article as unconfirmed or confirmed in some cases like some character roles and etc.? --^҉ რɫՒ◌§ 9¤ _ॐ 05:15, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

The teaser trailer

A few things from that trailer should probably be mentioned in the article. If not here, then perhaps in the List of traps in the Saw film series. I noticed the following new things:

1. New look at the knife chair
2. A man (who's wearing VERY similar clothing to Jeff) and a woman tied together with chains
3. A fat man in what looks like a head crushing device
4. Man in a blue and white striped (bloody) shirt in chains
5. The "I'm sorry" probably from Jill for what she made Jigsaw do (i.e, because of her he tried to kill himself and failing, and therefore becoming Jigsaw and making people appreciate life)
6. The quote "You think it is over... but the games have just begun".
7. Rigg being captured/kidnapped/surprised

 ViperBlade ^Talk!! 22:18, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

although you are very observant i disagree, wikipedia doesn't have a speculation section, we stick to what we know —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.70.39.154 (talk) 00:55, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Agreed, but we should add the things that aren't of a speculative nature.

 ViperBlade ^Talk!! 17:31, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

all right, cool

1 New look at the knife chair

-note that his face is unscathed in this shot, because he hasn't tried to go forward, but nothing really to report

2 A man (who's wearing VERY similar clothing to Jeff) and a woman tied together with chains

-speculation

3 A fat man in what looks like a head crushing device

-speculation

4 Man in a blue and white striped (bloody) shirt in chains

-speculation, all we know is that these people are probably in traps and in pain

5 The "I'm sorry" probably from Jill for what she made Jigsaw do (i.e, because of her he tried to kill himself and failing, and therefore becoming Jigsaw and making people appreciate life)

-serious speculation, we have no idea what sort of role jill will have. Also, the shot of supposedly jill tied to the man, screaming, has a much different voice then the woman moaning "im sorry" when the puppet is shown

6 The quote "You think it is over... but the games have just begun".

-possibly a new tagline

7 Rigg being captured/kidnapped/surprised

-important, relevant to the synopsis

1,6 and 7 all have some relevance to possible things we can add to the Saw IV article, or the traps article

Err..when did Jill make him become Jigsaw? He tried to kill himself because he was dying and realised he'd wasted his life.Darkwarriorblake 08:57, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

I worded that one badly. From what I remember from rebirth and Saw 2, Jill dumped John, then he found out he had cancer and tried to kill himself because it was too much for him to take.

 ViperBlade ^Talk!! 10:05, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Unconfirmed cast members

Unless there is a reputable website that discusses the possibility of these people being in the film, the section needs to be removed. I mean, technically, Julia Roberts is an unconfirmed cast member, President Bush is an unconfirmed cast member, and I'm an unconfirmed cast member. Either source it, or it shouldn't be there. AniMate 22:05, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Sounds fair enough I suppose. I think the section's there to let people know who may be in the film, but weren't included in the official cast list (like Matthews was in Saw III).

 ViperBlade ^Talk!! 22:18, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

confirmed cast members

I think we could put Eric Matthews in the confirmed cast members, i have a source that said he was saw in the studio when they were filming —Preceding unsigned comment added by Astra Fan (talk • contribs) 18:35, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

GAGETFUSION "Why was Obi in the Jill flashback in Saw III? We are trying to create a WORLD and a myth within the SAW films... think of them as a universe... Everyones interconnected somehow... Including OBI..."

Does That mean OBI is officially in Saw 4? Or do we need a better source than the Director telling us himself over a fan board? Just wondering before I ask can we add him to the confirmed list of actors.

• Darren Bousman Answers To Your Questions
• 'Saw 4' to Begin Shooting in April, Whannell Speaks! --^҉ რɫՒ◌§ 9¤ _ॐ 15:11, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Protection

Shouldn't the article be protected? Zenlax 1:05, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Frankly, the vandalism for Saw III was much heavier and for all the countless times I asked for it to be protected, all I got was a shrug and was told to simply revert any vandalism. You can try requesting it but a lot of admins are lax about this.--CyberGhostface 19:14, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

I could ask one of the administrators; since I'm friendly with one of them. I'll see if it helps. Zenlax 6:51, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, that'd be great. And (if you weren't aware of it yet, although you probably are) there is a page where people can request protection.--CyberGhostface 17:37, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, he said that until the article gets really worse with vandalisms to notify him and he'll take care of it. Because at this moment, there's not that much vandalism going on. So we'll see. Zenlax 12:36, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Six (extremely interesting) new promotional shots

I wanted to make a "Promotional" section for the six new images and obviously the other promotional media but I'm a little pressed for time. Anyone wish to take a stab at it for me!?

 ViperBlade ^Talk!! 11:57, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Where are these new promotional pics? ≈ The Haunted Angel 18:46, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Crap, please excuse me. http://officialsaw.com/subpage.php?PG=news

 ViperBlade ^Talk!! 19:43, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Removed Pitures

There were four pictures on officialsaw.com last night labeled "Fisk" and I saved them and posted them here, but you removed them immediately and when I got on Official Saw this morning theyd been removed their too??? So here they all are and can u please put them on the saw 4 page or tell me why u cant http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5742/fiskhg6.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.247.5.56 (talk) 03:13, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

SO IM NOT CRAZY! My friend Anthony on House Of Jigsaw saw these last night too... Before providing me with this! He said it was on a new News Post on Official Saw titled "Fisk", and that the four pictures were up there, taken down and replaced with this picture, which was also later taken down: http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/692/pics004id1.jpg My friend Anothony also said that new spoilers have come in which are that THE POLAROIDS WITH THE DEAD PEOPLE, BELONG TO FISK as well —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.247.5.56 (talk) 05:28, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Quite obviously faked. Stop coming here with your fake crap and unsigned comments. Thanks

 ViperBlade ^Talk!! 15:51, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Billy's Viral Videos

Lately the last Week Billy the Puppet Has Videos of Himself Up on the Web So Far On Youtube, Bloody-disgusting and Myspace and I think he wants us to piece the "missing puzzle pieces" to a final conclusion before the 26 of October. Its been really weird. Has anyone Found anymore related to this, and wants to add it to the article? Possibly a Viral Promotion of the Film? --^҉ რɫՒ◌§ 9¤ _ॐ 19:12, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

I found an interesting trailer for the film...it's obviously real...should we put the contents of it in the trivia or something? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JjTZ4kfAjI SonicNiGHT —Preceding unsigned comment added by SonicNiGHT (talk • contribs) 19:17, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

I've been seeing the viral videos around as well, and there is another one on Fearnet. They're all the same video except with the name of the place subbed out, but basically, there is a part of the website that also says "See What I See", and by clicking on it, you can enter the code 1026 (the release date of the film. A similar thing was employed last year for Saw III). Anyways, once you put in those humbers, you get this. Does anyone know if the "coming soon" part would refer to the film coming out soon, or more content to be posted there soon? - Lindsey8417 08:02, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

The only Videos that I seen a Difference in is the Youtube Version and the Myspace Version where one says "See what I see" and the other doesn't, and I agree like you said the rest are just replacing the where Billy says "You are watching me on ---" to where the video is being posted on though the videos ARE OFFICIALLY "REAL". I doubt its only about letting us putting in the code then adding out email address, its more to that if they spent the time putting up videos promoting us to do what Billy is telling us. I added a cited source from Bloody-disgusting about the event so if anyone wants to look it up. Just in case. --^҉ რɫՒ◌§ 9¤ _ॐ 08:30, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Low Quality Germen Video?

I have just been to the forums on rotten-tomatoes, and one person there claims to have already seen a low quality germen version of saw IV. He says Laura (from saw II) faked her own seizure, and is actually Jigsaw's daughter, and that Amanda was her older sister. He also goes on to say that the families from everyone in Saw 2 will be tested. I believe that this is a fake, as do many of you, but if by any chance you find out any more info regarding this, please let me know. Any comments? I needa change —Preceding unsigned comment added by I needa change (talk • contribs) 00:19, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Sounds fake, but of course noone on the internet ever tells lies to decive people into beliving things... REexpert44 16:45, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

wth?

didn't jigsaw die in saw 3? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.82.78.103 (talk) 02:06, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, and he's still dead in IV. Read the article.--CyberGhostface 02:11, 5 October 2007 (UTC)