Talk:Hammasa Kohistani

Ethnicity and Languages

Hammasa Kohistani is an ethnic Tajik from Panjsher, Afghanistan - a region which is also known as "Kohistan". In the past, the expression "Kohistani" used to be a synonym for Tajiks, like in the case of Amir Habibullah Kalakani (also know as "Bacha-i-Saqao") and his "Kohistani reign":

• "... Habibullah Kalakani (also known as Bacha Saqqao, the Tajik warlord of Kohistan) drove Amanullah from the throne and ruled Kabul for 10 months. In late 1929 Habibullah was defeated and executed by a Pushtun tribal army led by the former commander of Amanullah's army, Mohammad Nadir Shah, who subsequently became king (1929-1933) ..."

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/teach/afghanistan/timeline.html

Taken from the "Online Ecyclopaedia":

• "... An important district also known as Kohistan lies to the north of Kabul in Afghanistan, extending to the Hindu Kush. The Kohistani Tajiks proved to be the most powerful and the best organized clans that opposed the British occupation of Kabul in 1879-80. ..."

http://encyclopedia.jrank.org/KHA_KRI/KOHISTAN.html

Miss Kohistani's mother-tongue is Persian:

"... The brunette, who speaks six languages including Russian and Persian, was selected from 40 contestants. ..."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4212412.stm

-Tajik 03:53, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

New picture

I think this is a bad picture of her. We should get a better picture. I will try to change it. But I've never used Wikibefore, so my attempt my fail. If I can't change it, maybe you guys can help.

I think we should use this picture instead: http://www.missenglandwinner.co.uk/photos/Portfolio/hammasa_np5.jpg

Also, I think the 1st picture we have of her is not a good one. Infact, it is the worst picture of her that I have seen. I don't think she really is that ugly. That was just a bad picture.

I think we should remove the 1st picture and replace it with this one: http://www.missenglandwinner.co.uk/photos/Portfolio/hammasa_np6.jpg

The first picture, which I uploaded, shows her winning the Miss England crown which is relevant to the article. It is a cropped, fair use image used by many media sites, and it isn't relevant that you (personally) think she looked ugly on the day that she won Miss England. The site that you have taken your picture from clearly states that they are copyrighted and may not be used without permission, yet the image page states that it is a cropped version of a larger image? But I don't see why both images cannot be used. Thanks. — Lee J Haywood 21:23, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

I see your point. You think we need a picture of her winning the crown. I personally dont. I dont think we need to see her with a crown on. Its not that important.

But still, if you insist, instead of that picture we could use another one. That picture is just not believable. I dont even think thats her. Unless, she got plastic surgery.

If you really insist on a crown, then we could use this one: http://www.national-student.co.uk/National%20news/Miss%20England.jpg or http://images.scotsman.com/2005/09/05/0509missb.jpg

(its not copyrighted)

So if anyone could replace that pic with those ones ^, that would be much better.

no need to replace that pic ... everything's fine. It's a nice picture Tajik 13:59, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

I strongly think that MOST people would side with me and disagree with you. Most people would agree with me that that is a bad picture. Therefore, I will take the initiative to adjust that picture myself.

If you guys insist of having a picture with a crown, you could add this one: http://www.persianmirror.com/images/edtorial/2006/hamasehkoohestani/hamasehkoohestani7.jpg

I don't think that is a bad picture at all. I actually think it looks good. Maybe you can add it back. Behnam 05:28, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Alright, I'm going to take some action

I'm making this poll for people to vote for which picture to show. Sign underneath the picture with a number sign and three tildes. Here we go:

****This poll will end on August 1, 2006. POLL CLOSED

RESULT: Second one received most votes. ACTION: Current picture will be replaced by the second picture here.

First one: [1]

1. Tājik 14:02, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
2. DragonRouge
3. Behnam

Second one: [2]

1. Ķĩřβȳ♥ŤįɱéØ
2. Xerex
3. Tājik 14:02, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
4. DragonRouge Perfect
5. Iranian Patriot

Third one: [3]

Fourth one: [4]

Fifth one:[5]

1. Tājik 17:39, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Sixth one:[6]

1. Tājik 17:39, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

• Feel free to add your own image and vote for it yourself if you wish. --Ķĩřβȳ♥ŤįɱéØ 04:52, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Seventh one [7]

1. Khorshid 07:29, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

• The Poll has now been closed. Thank you all for participating. --Ķĩřβȳ♥ŤįɱéØ 05:10, 4 August 2006 (UTC).

• Why is the poll closed? And it is also possible, to add a kind of gallery with pictures at the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rob van Doorn (talk • contribs)

It was closed because I said I will close it on August 1, 2006, and it was opened June 20, 2006, which means it was open for more than a month. And looking at the votes, it was an overlwhelming majority (5/6) voting for that picture. If you feel that you have a picture that was not considered, please present it to us so we can consider it. Also, if you want a gallery, why not be bold and start it yourself? =) --Ķĩřβȳ♥ŤįɱéØ 06:32, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Wait a Minute: How do we know she's Muslim?

Does she believe in Islam or are you ethnically labeling her as a Muslim? For instance under Heidi Klum page I doubt you'll find a statement by some nutjob muslim (ie nutjob chrsitian in the former case) describing her as the first Christian supermodel to cohost FIFA world cup.

Before asking questions like this, it's generally a good idea to READ THE DANG EXTERNAL LINKS. Chaotic nipple 19:31, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Replaceable fair use Image:Hammasa_np6.jpg

As this image is being used on this article, editors may want to contest or replace it before it's deleted. → AA ^(talk) — 16:27, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

She is Uzbek and Pashtun

Why does it say she is Tajik from Afghanistan without showing proof? According to some evidence here it mentions that her father is Uzbek and her mother is Pashtun.

"A friend of mine is a relative of Hammasa. She has brought shame to her family. Her father is Uzbek and her mother is Pushtun. Her mum is against it though. In fact, most of her Pushtun relatives didn't know about it till she got crowned Miss England!" [8]--119.30.72.58 (talk) 21:50, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

That is some peoples POV on internet forums wanting her to be Pashtun or Uzbek. Do not use some comments on internet forums as sources. She said herself in a BBC Persian interview that she is Tajik (listen to her say she is Tajik).

Writing her ethnic background as Tajik in here is also POV of people wanting her to be Tajik. At least you can contact that person who said she knows her relatives and try to find out the truth. I watched the youtube video and she DOES NOT say she is ethnic Tajik. The man asks her "Where in Afghanistan are you from?" and she answers by saying that she is from the Tajik-area. That does not mean she is ethnic Tajik. Also, her father's name is Khushal and that is clearly a Pashtun name. See Khushal Khan Khattak. I don't care which is it, I am interested in knowing her real ethnic background.--119.30.72.110 (talk) 17:58, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Do you have trouble hearing? Listen to herself say clearly on the BBC Persian interview that she is Tajik. Also, stop making wild speculations and false claims. Khoshal is a Persian word. You are saying that because one Pashtun calls himself a Persian word then all people with that name are Pashtun? That is ridiculous. Listen to herself say she is Tajik and that's the end of the story

Typical Tajik girl's face.

Kharkuss Toronto parsiban, I clearly heard the conversation and there was no such question asking about her ethnic background. Most likely she told off mic not to ask her deep personal questions which she was not going to answer. When someone is Afghan national, meaning Afghanistan's citize and speaking to you in Farsi, there is no need to go ask further questions about which tribe her father or mother belongs to. Most people in Afghanistan keep these things hidden from public because of hate wars, and you should know this very well so I don't need to explain more. She is an international celebrity now and as usual people like that want to keep some of their personal information hidden from the media. Her father's name is KHUSHAL and you know that is a popular Pashtun male's name. Hammasa's face is typical Pashtun face, Tajik girls look Mongoloid like the one in the photo on the right. I have several Tajik online girlfriends and I know what I'm talking about.--119.30.67.148 (talk) 13:35, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

She isn´t little PigToon mf son of a PigToon Peshawari whore. Go and fuck your camel under your father´s tent! LOL and so far i know you told you can´t speak and understand Farsi so how could you understand what she said. The moderator asked her if she is of Tajik descands and she answered him with 'yes' little apezai. --84.59.127.102 (talk) 17:59, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Kharkuss tajik, this here proves that you are the banned User:tajik. I always view you as this.--119.30.72.110 (talk) 18:06, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Little Awghan Kharkusszai, since you can see the IP 84.58.150.127 from USER:Tajik differ from my IP-Number, son of Kharkusszai Pakhtunkussfroshkhel. Awlade Kharzaiwal. As i already mentioned, I am also from germany. 84.XXX:XXX:XXX is the code for Germany, little dirty uneducated stupid Awghan hound.Accept it. You know and i know you are a stupid camel..that vandalize here. Btw, look to the level of English that User:Tajik was able to write. As i mentioned it yesterday, my english-knowledge is very weak so i can´t be Tajik. The Admin can make a check if he wishes! --84.59.127.102 (talk) 18:18, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Edit request

Can we restore the pre-edit war version? Alexius08 is welcome to talk about his contributions. 12:23, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Do you have a diff for that? Cheers, PeterSymonds (talk) 16:19, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

If there is no solid proof to back up her ethnic backgound then it should not say she is Tajik.--119.30.66.245 (talk) 18:40, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Hamassa Kohistani's ethnicity

Hamassa Kohistan in an interview with BBC PERSIAN(TAJIKISTAN) said she was a Tajik from Afghanistan. You can listen to the Radio interview in this link [9]