Talk:Sonic Unleashed

Wii Version

I have removed the link to the CVG article, which I have determined to be unreliable. They only cited the Nintendo Power article, which I have in my hands. The NP article mentions 2-D gameplay, but they never said anything about the Wii version only having 2-D gameplay. Besides, they even mentioned that "the camera will pan behind the hedgehog (á la Sonic and the Secret Rings)"; it will probably have the Klonoa-style 2.5-D gameplay that the other versions have. However, yes the Wii version is being developed specifically to take advantage of that system's capabilities, and that "the levels will be different, designed specifically for the Wii version", and although Dimps wasn't mentioned by name, it can be assumed at this time that they are indeed developing this version. However, the NP article also never said anything about a different engine (i.e., an engine different from the Hedgehog engine, which was never even mentioned in the article).

Therefore, I find that the CVG article is an unreliable source as they essentially misinterpreted the NP article, and I suggest we wait until more information about the Wii version is available. Brittany Ka (talk) 01:06, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough, I wasn't sure about leaving it in myself. Now that the CVG article is not there, I have removed the references to Dimps as there are no sources for it. Also, the reference style needs to be formal (i.e ref tags and a cite template, state the facts then place the reference), rather than spelling it out ("According to Nintendo Power magazine..."), so I have removed that and placed a fact tag for someone with the actual issue to put into ref tags. SynergyBlades (talk) 12:59, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

I have the actual issue, but since it's a print publication, it's therefore not available for convenient linkage. I really don't know what you want me to do. I don't know how you can put a physical (i.e., non-online) print magazine into ref tags. I'm sorry, but this is the best I can do. Brittany Ka (talk) 15:10, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

You could use the cite news template. You can put in it all the info, even if there is no online version. ISD (talk) 15:12, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately, using that one made the reference list disappear for some reason, so I used the "cite journal" template. Brittany Ka (talk) 15:33, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

That's the one. Some extra info in the template would help, as it's currently missing at least the title when you look at it under the References section. Other useful info would be: does the mag have a volume number, what page(s) is the cited information on, who is the article author, what is the article's title, can you offer a small quote from the magazine article that would back up the Wii differences information in this entry? It's this sort of thing that's needed for verifiability, and I (along with others) have no access to fill in this information. SynergyBlades (talk) 17:30, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Excellent update, thanks. :) SynergyBlades (talk) 22:26, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Character List

Shouldn't we list Tails, Knuckles and Am as characters, even if they're not confirmed as playable yet? KJS77 Join the Revolution 03:50, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Reliable source for their being in the game at all? Otherwise you've just said it yourself, they're not confirmed. SynergyBlades (talk) 10:09, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

And don't say PSM. It seems as if they were just creating spectulation.Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 00:21, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

The anon editors are now referencing Camp Sonic, which counts as a fan site, not a reliable source (note that Camp Sonic don't state where they actually get their information regarding characters). SynergyBlades (talk) 12:47, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Exactly, it seems to me that CS is just a rumour site. "Rumour site, AGAIN?!?!" "Again."Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 21:02, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Is there any particular reason that the sourced information about players controlling someone other than Sonic gets removed from the Characters section on a somewhat regular basis? It's fairly important, I'd have thought, and it's now been placed in HTML comment tags; why? SynergyBlades (talk) 21:17, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

I did not remove it if you see the history I placed it like this < ! - - words go here - - > . --Lbrun12415 21:18, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

And as I said, it's been placed in HTML comments, so it is not visible in the article. Is this for any reason? SynergyBlades (talk) 21:30, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Trying to make it look better, If you want you can undo it but I believe it more belongs with game play.--Lbrun12415 21:39, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

New info

I've repeatedly tried to post new info from http://wii.ign.com/articles/874/874207p1.html, but it keeps getting deleted. KJS77 Join the Revolution 21:58, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, that was unfortunate, as it was a good source you found. Think Lbrun12415 may have been a tad overzealous. I have added in as much relevant info as I could pull out from the article. SynergyBlades (talk) 22:20, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Protection?

Can we please protect this page, because it is really annoying to see Tom and Jerry on the character list, along with saying everyone in the game dies and there's a shootout. I'm gonna explode! —Preceding unsigned comment added by GENERALZERO (talk • contribs) 21:33, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

I'll ask around. ;) Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 01:56, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GENERALZERO (talk • contribs) 21:33, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Anytime. No one seems to have responded yet though...Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 14:04, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

If you want it protected, add a request here. SynergyBlades (talk) 14:41, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

I did so but, it was deleted... T.T Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 02:12, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Jordanwinehouse

I have reported the user Jordanwinehouse for his persistent disruptive edits to this article. SynergyBlades (talk) 22:14, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I've issued a final, final warning; if he messes with this or other articles again, please let me know and I'll take care of it. Tony Fox (arf!) 22:25, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Looks like User:Kinu has blocked him indefinitely according to his talk page. SynergyBlades (talk) 23:30, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

New Plot line?

http://www2.sega.com/gamesite/sonicunleashed/us/gameinfo.php Apparently that dragon is real, and that thing is the one who broke up the world, not Eggman, he just awakened him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GENERALZERO (talk • contribs) 22:25, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Added the relevant info, but it doesn't say a dragon, so have left it as "beast". SynergyBlades (talk) 00:05, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Wait, if hes saving the world does he live in Mobius or Earth?--SxeFluff (talk) 04:10, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

"Seamless" Transition

I've been thinking about the line that states that the game will "seamlessly transition" between the two modes (2-D gameplay and 3-D gameplay). This would imply that it will switch from one mode to another without any pausing or loading, or anything like that. However, we have yet to see that in any form (i.e., a gameplay video), and even then it may not represent the final version of the game. While most people would have an idea as to what "seamless" would look like, I nonetheless added the "dubious" tags to both instances of the statement because whatever the case, "seamless" could be another buzzword (like "reinvent" was) for "advertising" the game. Even if it comes from Sega themsleves, for all we know, the transition may not be as "seamless" as we are possibly being led to think when the game actually comes out. In other words, "seamless" could mean anything. However, what do the rest of you think? Should these statements be kept as they are? Brittany Ka (talk) 13:12, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

I wrote both of two so-called "buzzwords" you've flagged up (the first one being "reinvent") in the past and, since I'm not trying to advertise or big-up this game in any way, it's regrettable you feel that "buzzword" is a suitable description for my writings! However, I will remove the dubious tag on this one since, in this case, we have seen the seamless transition - in the trailer, you can see the gameplay switch on the jungle level, going from the 2D stage (the loop-the-loop) to the 3D (the dusty stretch with the canopies).

In addition, press releases etc. from Sega are the most reliable form of information we can include in the article since they come straight from the source. Wikipedia is about verifiablity, not truth, and so debating whether it will seamlessly transition or not in the final build is of no importance. SynergyBlades (talk) 13:21, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Super Sonic?

How do we know that Super Sonic will be in this game? The Chaos Emeralds haven't been confirmed as in the game.([[User talk:Kurowoofwoof111|talk]]) (talk) 02:51, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Not only was Super Sonic in the screenshots before the video game was even announced, the Chaos Emeralds were confirmed on the official website when Sonic Unleashed (Which is now called Sonic World Adventure) was first announced by Sega. Besides, here's a picture.74.141.78.22 (talk) 04:02, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

I just recently learned that Sega confirmed on its blog that the "World Adventure" name is false. The game is going to be Sonic Unleashed. Brittany Ka (talk) 00:11, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

People need to pay more attention to details... Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 00:17, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

No Silver

According to Play Magazine, "Silver won't be making an appearance in this game." Camp Sonic says this as well, but they had to sound like jackasses when confirming it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GENERALZERO (talk • contribs) 22:16, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Well silver could be in the game. That could be how Sonic cures himself of his new Werewolf form.Fairfieldfencer FFF 07:58, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Um...no, PLAY Magazine along with CampSonic confirmed it, and besides, that makes no sense what so ever. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GENERALZERO (talk • contribs) 18:59, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

It's a joke. You use silver, the metal, to kill werewolves.Fairfieldfencer FFF 21:27, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

I do recall NP to at one point to say "Luckily, Shadow, and Big will not appear in Secret Rings." They acted like jackasses to 2 really cool characters, and got proven wrong. Camp Sonic isn't very reliable, and PLAY just doesn't seem very reliable to me. I cartainly hope that Silver will appear. Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR (talk) 22:41, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Well...yeah, I totally forgot about that. Play is reliable because they were quoting one of the makers of Unleashed, so Silver won't be making an appearance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GENERALZERO (talk • contribs) 01:40, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh. I didn't see the article. Too bad Silver won't be appearing... Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR (talk) 00:24, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

New Trailer

This one shows how the seamless transition works:http://www.campsonic.com/

Well it certainly looks like a useful mechanic. Also, OMG that looks friggin sweet. Music also sounds great. *HUGE THUMBS UP*--SxeFluff (talk) 04:16, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Meh...Looks like SRA & SR tried eating SATSR, and crapped this out. Ew. Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR (talk) 00:31, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Fat Italian Plumber lover... thats right, i made a shot at Luigi...--SxeFluff (talk) 23:27, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

What does that have to do with anything?... Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR (talk) 15:53, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

ur opinion of the game wasnt very good, so i assumed u were a Mario fan(remember the good ol days of Nintendo v. Sega?). Meh, i better stop this cuz it aint very encyclopedic. good link though. --70.242.186.66 (talk) 12:48, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

New Logo Design

Someone on Camp Sonic said there was the logo at the end of the new trailer and i checked i also found it

should we change pic to the logo —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.75.54.213 (talk) 04:03, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

I have the logo, I just need to learn how to insert it. I'm still new at this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GENERALZERO (talk • contribs) 08:12, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Can you provide an external link to where it is? That way another user can do it for you.Fairfieldfencer FFF 08:36, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Make sure it's a good quality image. If it's crap, don't bother with it. -Sukecchi (talk) 12:10, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

The logo is at the end of this video. [1] While I was looking for this, I noticed, in the external links section, the link "Sonic Unleashed at IGN" goes to a search in IGN U.K. It seems like it should be the actual page not a search and in IGN U.S., but we would have to choose on of the versions, Wii, XBox 360, or PS3, and that doesn't seem quite right either. Tommy11111 (talk) 15:36, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

I think that the poster would be better & more informative rather that a cheap looking logo. Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR (talk) 00:31, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Characters #2

At camp Sonic, at the news section, it sais Tails, Amy, and Knukles are appering in the game. Should we put this up? User: Sonic&Mario KId 10:23, 18 June 2008

Camp Sonic is unreliable, so no.Fairfieldfencer FFF 14:27, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Double no. Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR (talk) 19:46, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

OK, but, they gave citation for it on the website, just look. Sonic&Mario Kid 17:22, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

They Do give the citation. Official Nintendo Magazine said Amy and Tails do, but I'm unsure about Knuckles.

I dunno. What d you Triple F? Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR (talk) 20:15, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

The Nintendo magazine definitely qualifies as a reliable source. But I think we need another appinion, preferably SynergyBlades. And thanks for the new nick name ^_^.Fairfieldfencer FFF 20:18, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

How about my opinion? I am the one that created the page. <_< I say that, until we get solid evidence from Sega themselves, we can't really include them as official characters. Maybe as 'rumoured' characters, but not official. KJS77 Join the Revolution 21:07, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Agreed.Fairfieldfencer FFF 22:05, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Also agreed.SynergyBlades (talk) 23:16, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU PEOPLE! WHERE DO YOU THINK THE MAGAZINE GOT THE INFORMATION?! back me up here Double S. User: Sonic&Mario KId 10:49, 20 June 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.99.97.140 (talk)

All of the current information in the article can be found in at least two references, should you choose to look, and most of them state their source: an interview, a press release, and so on. This information only comes from one source; given the highly speculative nature of what will happen in this title, and who will appear in it, reliability is of key importance. I have yet to see a major, reliable source report this information as fact. SynergyBlades (talk) 14:54, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm gonna say, add them. If we've added characters like Dexter, Shade, and Omega to sections in TDB, when they've just gotten mentions. Even the Shade & Omega as PCs came from a rather unreliable source. So, i think that anyone that was mentioned by PLAY, NP, etc. should be added. We can't cite CS though. Same for TSS (IF they ever get back up, n running again. -.- ) Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR (talk) 15:42, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

They are back up and running. http://www.sonicstadium.org/ Fairfieldfencer FFF 15:45, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

They had a countdown on the site for when it was coming back up. When I first saw it I thought two things: either the sites coming back up or the computer's going to explode. And then when the countdown is finished nothing happens. And I'm thinking: those jerks have had me waiting all that time for nothing. And when I came back later it was on.Fairfieldfencer FFF 19:21, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

I'll remember that Synergy! Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR (talk) 19:14, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm confused, this isn't going to be another solo game, is it? I hope not because that's what I didn't like about Secret Rings. Is it true? - B.J. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.177.235.90 (talk) 14:47, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

They're be more characters announced later —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.90.206.193 (talk) 16:20, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Other characters will appear but, it seems hat Sonic is the only PC. And i agree. I want a large variety of characters to choose from, not just one, or two... Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR (talk) 00:12, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

It would REALLY stink if Sonic was the only PC in a Sonic adventure game. This series always had different PCs. User:Sonic&Mario KId 20:11, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

IGN said and I quote "95% of the time, you'll play as Sonic, but there will be others too."GENERALZERO (talk) 00:17, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

The say it as if tey've played the entire game through. -.- Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR (talk) 22:30, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Nintendo DS?

Check the Nintendo DS release list over at Nintendo-Europe.com, apparently Sonic Unleashed is going to be on Nintendo DS too. Of course, this could be an error, so someone should probably follow it up. Cipher ^(Talk) 17:22, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I expect some major site will pick it up and officially inquire about it; a case of wait and see. SynergyBlades (talk) 17:34, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

They probably just mixed up Sonic Unleashed with Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood.Fairfieldfencer FFF 17:36, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Not likely, that's on the list too for September 2008. Cipher ^(Talk) 18:03, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Nintendo-Europe has amended their Q3 2008 schedule, removing Sonic Unleashed from the DS list. An error. Cipher ^(Talk) 15:31, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

What the heck?

Why is it when I tried putting the side quests information back in that the gameplay and development sections kinda blended together? Unknown the Hedgehog (talk) 04:10, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

That would be because you don't know what you're doing. Firstly, you close a ref tag by using a forward slash after the opening brace, not before the closing one; secondly, you need to include a cite template - either web, journal or whichever is appropriate for your source - to include the required information for a reference. Just sticking a link between a pair of reference tags isn't really sufficient. If you do not know how to use these templates, copy and paste one from the existing article, and edit in the required info for your reference - there's plenty in the article already to get you started. SynergyBlades (talk) 14:26, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Werehog (yes, I know...)

Sorry to drag this one up again. As you probably know, Sega is keeping quiet about the transformation at night, so there's precious little official information regarding it. However, I've been updating the references and found that at Sega's official UK site, the teaser trailer is called "Sonic Unleashed - Werehog Teaser Trailer" (stick your mouse pointer over it). This is the only official information regarding the nature of the transformation, or its name, that we have. As such, I do now think we ought to change "Werewolf" in the characters section, to "Werehog" - as much as we were all dead set against it being edited to this by anonymous IP editors. Your thoughts? Please disregard personal feelings about the name itself - I'm interested in your views from an encyclopedic/Wikipedic standpoint. SynergyBlades (talk) 16:24, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

That appears to be the offical name, unless proven wrong, by Wiki's standrds, we should be using it. Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR (talk) 20:01, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Stub?

Should consider the Sonic Unleashed article a stub? (The article almost has 12,000 bytes.) Unknown the Hedgehog (talk) 17:00, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

This article is no way near small enough to be a stub; in addition, a stub (or the expand template you added to the article) implies there is much more information that could be added, if only someone took the time to do so. However, this is not the case. This is an upcoming game with minimal information; when more actually surfaces, it will be added as it comes in. SynergyBlades (talk) 17:03, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

I could ask Red Phoenix, (the head of both the Sega Project and it's assessment dept.) to assess it?Fairfieldfencer FFF 17:08, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, it might be worthwhile to do so for the Sega Project (the template at the top of this talk page describes it as stub-class). I contend that, as the Stub template reads "you can help by expanding it", without a decent body of information to do so it makes little sense to display it. The "future-game" template already demonstrates that there is bound to be little information and that this will change shortly enough as more info comes out. SynergyBlades (talk) 17:21, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

I get most of my information from Camp Sonic's fact sheet(there's plenty of information there), and they get most of their information from reliable sources. Here's the problem, I can hardly ever find where they got their information from (yes I know it says where, but, I couldn't find them at Google). I looked everywhere on the Internet for the Sonic Unleashed fact sheet (that was when I was looking up the multiple branching pathways). So this story in a nutshell, there's plenty information, just can't find them. Unknown the Hedgehog (talk) 01:43, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Exactly, which is a shame, because it makes it unsuitable for Wikipedia. Many of their quotes haven't got enough information to reference with. eg. Official Playstation Magazine is cited for characters - the cite journal template needs issue, pages, article author, issue number, and so on. Besides which, even as an intermediary for information, they are still a fansite and so the information reported could be unreliable: I could set up a fansite and claim that Sonic transforms into a pink fluffy bunny half way through the game and say, vaguely, that it came from a magazine.

So let me rephrase: there is precious little further information that has a reliable and verifiable source that can be addded. That said, take your multiple branching pathways - I managed to find a reliable source for that and, lo and behold, it was on the official UK Sega page. Keep vigilant, the info could be out there in a more reliable capacity. :) SynergyBlades (talk) 01:52, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

I agree, and here's another thing about Camp Sonic (lol we're going off subject), Camp Sonic hasn't really updated their cite around Sonic Unleashed. What I mean is that Camp Sonic has just been talking about their giveaway and how the fans say they saw balloons in the new trailer. Unknown the Hedgehog (talk) 02:47, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

RP (Red Phoenix) says he'll assess it when he has the time. Oh, and I thought I should point it out that I was the one who assessed it originally after I discovered it.Fairfieldfencer FFF 16:56, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Camp Sonic

I know SynergyBlades and I have already talked alot about Camp Sonic, but let's see what you think about the cite. Just type in what you think are the ups and downs to Camp Sonic. Unknown the Hedgehog (talk) 03:37, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

We can't cite it because it's a fansite. Wiki+Fansite=NO GO Skeletal_S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R. (talk) 17:55, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Character Conflict

I've been noticing that Werewolf Sonic and Werehog Sonic are being tossed around in the article. Sinc the Werehog and Super Sonic are still Sonic wouldn't be better to just leave Sonic's name?GENERALZERO (talk) 16:10, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

I say, leave it alone. Because, we have a seperate page for super forms, and on Channel, both Sonic & Super have seperate profiles.  Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  22:36, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

I put Werehog in quotes to signify that it's the only official name we have available on the subject and that, as incorrect as Werehog sounds, it's what is in the reference next to it. But yeah, I don't mind leaving it as just "Sonic". SynergyBlades (talk) 22:48, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Wii Screenshots Revealed

Ugh, they look terrible! Let's hope they were just scanned terribly: http://gonintendo.com/?p=47804 GENERALZERO (talk) 23:07, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Wait! These screens were printed so THANK GOD they don't look like this in the actually game! Whoo! GENERALZERO (talk) 23:58, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Meh. Nothing new here folks...  Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  00:58, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

It does however show a new level though which is not mentioned in the Wikipedia article ("Greece" and "Europe" so far). Does anyone have the quoted magazine that can check if there's a name or any further info for this level, or perhaps a list of magazine info for the cite journal template? We could then at least include a small half-sentence indicating cited screenshots have shown a desert-based level. ^Synergy/_{Blades (Talk)} 01:10, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Egypt perhaps? GENERALZERO (talk) 01:47, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

My guess is Egypt or the Middle East(Iraq etc.). And I REALLY think those were scanned poorly. User:Sonic&Mario KId|Sonic&]]Mario Fan 19:00, 27 June 2008 (UTC)