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historical smackdown appearance

he appeared on smackdown last week for the first time since 1999 - which was as a special referee on the debut episode, and last week was the first time he ever actually wrestled on the brand, now i think that deserves a mention —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.199.28.195 (talk) 03:06, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How would that really be important? Note: He made two appearances last year on SmackDown! -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 14:47, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It would be important because HBK hasn't been on smackdown for years and rare appearances are valuable so I think it should be mentioned —Preceding unsigned comment added by BestBenoitFan (talk • contribs) 06:39, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What exactly has he accomplished in his appearances on SmackDown!? -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 18:37, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing, but it is an interesting little fact, I like interesting little facts... Altenhofen (talk) 00:35, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

But Wikipedia doesn't. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 00:53, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Man

Anyone think The Man should be listed in HBK's nicknames?Kirby17 (talk) 16:27, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Uh, no. I have never heard him called that. –L A X 16:58, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Rk OR To N 17:18, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

To clear it up, he beat the man (Flair), and now he is The ManKirby17 (talk) 17:25, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

But no-one has called him that. I never heard JR/King call him "the man" on Raw, so I say it stays out. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 17:28, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I know. I just wanted to know what you guys thought. Kirby17 (talk) 21:28, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think shawn micheals should be WWE champ and face tripleH for it. Than Shawn keeps the title by beating tripleH. And shawn should get in phisical shape. for a Triple threat match. And Shawn could beat the great the reterning The rock.

Brendan Shipton —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.63.119.87 (talk) 23:33, 10 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

wikipedia is not a forum ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 23:36, 10 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not actually watching RAW, but I read a report that HBK refered to himself as "The Man" Kirby17 (talk) 01:16, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As did I. Zenlax ^T ^C ^S 18:42, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That makes once. I still don't think it should be on the page. If he refers to himself constantly as "the man", i.e. over a period of couple of weeks, and not just as a once off thing then yes, but until then, it's not really a nickname. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 19:09, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Its like Orton, who refers himself as the "One May Dynasty". And, like Nici said, if he continues using the "nickname", then it should be added. But, until then, its not notable to add. -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 21:29, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Crippler Crossface

Now is a signature move of Michaels, please add it. --KingOfDX (talk) 21:12, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How often has he been using it? –L A X 21:23, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

On rare occasions, so it shouldn't be added until it becomes a week by week used moved.--~S R S~ 21:25, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OMG, there's already a thread about this. -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 03:18, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm adding it, he's used it on every PPV match hes been in (Bar the Royal Rumble) since Cyber Sunday and on a couple of Raw's too. He's certainly used it more times than his "Modified Figure Four" -- Tobythegreat (talk) 12:02, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Its not one of his moves. -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 00:42, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sigh, he used it AGAIN tonight (Judgment Day 2008), but because it was Benoit's move you guy wont let it be on the page. Can't you realise it's one of his moves now? -- Tobythegreat (talk)

No, not really. Sexy Sea Shark 15:37, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, he used it last night, but is it still notable that he will continue using it? -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 01:41, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I say give it more time, if he continues using it like in every match, then yes, but for now, he only uses it on rare occasions, and doesn't qualify as a signature move.--S R X 02:09, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's exactly what I'm saying. -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 02:23, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm gonna have to steal another guy's argument for a second and say that it's used A LOT more often than moves like the modified figure 4, and there's no argument against that being on the list. 3pointswish (talk) 00:52, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There was a discussion about the Modified Figure Four and was added to the list. But, the Crossface is still unknown. If he continues using it, then fine, the Crossface should stay in the list. But, if he stops using it, then it should be removed. -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 02:48, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

He's used the Crossface far more than the reverse figure four. However, he's never actually won a match with the Crossface, he has with the leg lock. So it's confusing. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 03:17, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, where gonna have to see what happens. -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 21:44, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

umm guys...

Backlash has past a long time ago. shouldnt they add something about his match with batista? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.87.188.58 (talk) 11:03, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nope. That was not a notable feud. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 15:16, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I did add something to the article about the feud and the matches with Chris Jericho but someone removed it, though i dont know why.Skilldog2 (talk) 23:23, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Its still not notable whether his feud with Batista or Chris Jericho will last. -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 02:08, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, Chris Jericho just threw Shawn Michaels through a television. Should the feud be added now? 67.142.130.15 (talk) 03:13, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lets see where it goes. -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 14:39, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Think Blue. Altenhofen (talk) 00:33, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

FMW appearance

Shawn guest refereed a match between H and Darkside Hayabusa, FMW 11.23.99 Special —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.104.226.174 (talk) 21:16, 16 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How's that important to the article? -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 02:01, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It was during his temporary retirement —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.104.226.174 (talk) 14:14, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Did he accomplish something during that run or what? -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 19:48, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, it was a one time appearance, though still notable because of it's surprising nature, and unexpectedness —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.104.226.174 (talk) 17:28, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not really, it would seem to be more like trivia info. -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 19:10, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you can source it, you can add it as far as I know. Altenhofen (talk) 00:31, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Even with a source, it would be pointless to add to the article. -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 16:24, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ring names

Shawn Michaels has many ring names such as HBK, The Heart Break Kid, The Show Stopper,and The Main Event. Sean Michaels is not one of them but Sean Michaels is the only ring name on the profile and it won't let me edit the page. Shavon.roberts (talk)SMGRShavon.roberts (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 14:16, 25 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sean Michaels is sourced, and the others are just nicknames, not ringnames. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 15:56, 25 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

First off, it is Shawn, not Sean. Second, those names are nicknames, they are already in the article. Altenhofen (talk) 00:29, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Watch the Heartbreak & Triumph DVD, cause its stated right there. -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 16:23, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bastista and Chris Jericho programs

Ok Michaels's page has to be edited soon to include information about his rivalry with Batista and Chris Jericho's added involvement. His story seems to end with the Wrestlemania match vs. Ric Flair but that is not all. A lot has happened since then. Jdog3628 (talk) 19:40, 2 June 2008 (UTC)Jdog3628[reply]

They are not notable to Micheals' overall career, per WP:PW. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 20:58, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The feud has to go somewhere. -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 21:33, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

True enough, but it's notable yet as we don't know where it's going. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 21:38, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly. -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 02:19, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Something to add to moves

What about those quick flurries of snap jabs (usually followed by a knockdown punch, I believe) Michaels often does? 69.23.151.9 (talk) 15:21, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How would that be notable to add? -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 15:57, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Because he does that in the vast majority of his matches. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 16:01, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Would it be notable to add? Not sarcasm, just asking. -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 22:56, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see why not. Not sure what it would be wikilinked to though. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 02:35, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We could put one of those citation needed things, or we could get permission from an admin like LAX to ad unsourced info. Altenhofen (talk) 00:26, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What do you mean put a citation tag? On what? -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 16:20, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

HBK

was the nickname "Heart break Kid" coined because of the feud (that he ultimately won) between him and Bret Hart? after all, HBK did "break" Hart's WWE career. Altenhofen (talk) 00:24, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, HBK appeared long before that feud. And I don't think it is accurate to say that he won the feud or that HE broke Bret's WWF career: Bret left voluntarily and all the controversy is due to Vince McMahon, not Shawn. Str1977 ^(talk) 09:41, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

He acquired the nickname in 1992 and his feud with Bret Hart was in 1996-1997. -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 16:22, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

HeartBreaker

The 4 figure leg lock of HBK is called Heart Breaker.IF someone could put it cuz I cannot —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.205.2.198 (talk) 14:27, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Source? Gavyn Sykes (talk) 15:52, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please, no original research. -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 10:15, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

here is the source[1]

The French Wikipedia can't be used as a source... RandySavageFTW (talk) 19:26, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Or even the Spanish! ;) ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 20:02, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Unlisted signature move

Don't any long time fans remember how back around 1992-1993, Michaels would often do a top-rope clothesline in his matches? Why isn't it here? For that matter, what about the fast jabs he used to do? 69.23.151.9 (talk) 18:23, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]