Talk:Pikachu

WP:GA/R

I'm taking this article to WP:GA/R because 1. No notice was given on the talk page when it was speedied and 2. Because this article does have a "cultural impact" section, detailing the relevance of the subject to real life. Homestarmy (talk) 15:33, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

I have relisted it. Geometry guy 19:28, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Wicked Crispy (talk) 21:29, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

[1]Wiki Pika Link

Speaking of Cultural Impact, I was under the impression that the creature was derived from the real life Pika, in the above posted link.

Parody appearance

Do the editors of this article think that the appearance of the clearly derivative "Peekaboo" character in the Young Justice: Sins of Youth storyline would merit mention in the "In popular culture" section or not? In that instance, I believe there was a 50-foot tall version rampaging through town who most of the characters had to take on shortly before the finale. John Carter (talk) 17:44, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Pika in Smash Bros.

Should we add any further info about Pikachu in the Smash Bros. series? Pezzar (talk) 07:49, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Pikachu does play a major roll in the 3 Smash Bros. series, but I think the current paragraph(s) is fine. We could possibly add a single sentence about (his/her) role in SSE, but that's about it. --haha169 (talk) 00:49, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Talk archiving

This page is enormous. For the sake of everyone's sanity, I was considering archiving the talk page. Per WP:AATP, a consensus should be established first. The reason to do this archiving seems obvious: This pages is full of lengthy, dead discussions. It would be better for promoting future discussions to have one of the bots archive this page every few months, or at least make the first archive by hand now. So, let's leave the discussion open for a few days: Is there any good reason, based on Wikipedia guidelines and precedents, not to do this? (I'm only proposing to archive very old ones, say those above "GA removal") TheBilly (talk) 23:54, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

I support an archive, but archive everything up to the end of October 2007 to leave only the most recent comments on the page. MelicansMatkin (talk) 00:30, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree. There's no reason not to, and if nothing else, there's a snowball's chance that there'd be a reason not to archive the page here. --Cheeser1 (talk) 01:08, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Definite Archive. And quickly, too. This page is enormous. --haha169 (talk) 05:59, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Archived. MelicansMatkin (talk) 15:39, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

GA to FA

Well, I'm trying to get this article improved to FA status, so if anyone wants to pitch in, that'd be great. Useight (talk) 02:37, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Linking

Please don't link this into the article List of Pokemon I think such Pikachu is Ash Ketchum's Pokemon it deserves to stay the same Matthew Cantrell (talk) 02:37, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean, are you requesting that the page not be redirected to List of Pokémon? Useight (talk) 02:40, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

New image of Pikachu

As you can see, I have uploaded a new picture: Pikachu.svg. It is derived from a CDR image, which can be found here. The converting and cropping hasn't done it much good however. I've contacted Tkgd2007 about this, and if he can't help, I'll contact someone else. The original PNG file can still be found here. Cheers, Face 19:02, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

I requested improvement of this picture at the graphic lab, see here. If you are able to improve this image, please do! - Face 21:56, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Snapshots

Please consider adding this gallery as a list of relevant photos about Pikachu RyanTMulligan (talk) 16:35, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Mammal?!

Yeah, there's no way that (1) pikachu is a mammal, and (2) is of "high" importance as a mammal. Triptenator (talk) 20:55, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

I'd agree that Pikachu wouldn't be of high-importance to the Mammal wikiproject, whoever, Pikachu is a mouse Pokémon, and mice are mammals. Useight (talk) 23:12, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Ovipositioning mammals are not impossible, besides. -Jéské ^{(v^_^v E pluribus unum)} 05:55, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

It can be "high" importance as a mammal on the wikiproject, since I doubt kids care more about platypuses than Pikachu. However, its listing as GA is invalid. I've removed it. --haha169 (talk) 04:30, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

My bad. My comment above was mistaken with Meowth. --haha169 (talk) 04:30, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Just wondering- how can you make such an extensive page about Pikachu and not mention that the creature is directly and obviously based on a real animal, both in name and appearance? Pikas are real. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pika Surely that's worth a note or link. 64.230.111.214 (talk) 13:36, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

As far as I can remember, Pikachu has never been compared to a Pika, and was only stated to be a mouse-type Pokémon. If you can find a source stating that Pikachu was based on a Pika, then please present it and we can add that to the article. Artichoker^[talk] 14:51, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

The same issue was dealt with both here and on Talk:Pika; the end result was that the comparison was inherently original research (as is any other Pokémon comparison). I will note that the relevant discussion is still up on Talk:Pika. -Jéské ^{(v^_^v Mrrph-mph!)} 19:47, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

About the hatnote

Is "Pikachu" that confusable with any "Picacho"? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 01:55, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

A person could be looking for Picacho, and simply misspell it. I think the distinguish template is needed. Artichoker^talk 02:05, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Category:Fictional monsters

Why was Pikachu removed from the fictional monsters category? Pikachu is clearly a monster. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.175.50.102 (talk) 05:22, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Only if you take the name of the franchise as gospel. A category of fictional rodents is a better fit. -Jéské ^{(v^_^v E pluribus unum)} 05:28, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

But officaly they are, "monsters" in thje defitnition of one that kills by cuteness and annoying sounds; and being god in pokemon form...--Jakezing (talk) 13:16, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Pikachu has never killed anything. Pokémon never die, only faint. Artichoker^[talk] 15:37, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

wHICH MAKES LITTLE SENCE ANYWAYS, BUT SO DOES THE IDEA OF A CREATURE THAT YOU NEARLY KILL, AND THEN TRAP IN A SMALL BALL WOULD WANT TO NOT KILL YOU AFTER THAT, AND PIKACHU IS A GOD, HE NEVER LOSES, AND WHEN HE DOES, HE TAKES 5 MINUTES, AND THNE COMES BACK AND KICKS THE OPPONETS ASS,wtf, why was caps on. srry.--Jakezing (talk) 16:25, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

This is not a forum to discuss the merits of Pokémon or how Pikachu is undefeated in the anime. This talk page should only be used to discuss improvements to the article. Thanks. Useight (talk) 17:34, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Level 99

Is it safe to assume Pikachu is level 99? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Utils (talk • contribs) 03:41, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

No, not really. There has to be proof that it is level 99 in the TV shows. Try finding a reference for what the actual level it is first. Thanks, RyRy (talk) 03:47, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

In the TV shows, levels are not mentioned. If his Pikachu was level 99, then Ash would be a pretty incompetent trainer, considering Pikachu still loses fights. Although, in Crystal, Red's Pikachu was level 81. bibliomaniac15 04:22, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Wouldn't Pikachu's level increase as you played the game instead of having a set level? Useight (talk) 04:34, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually, in Pokemon, they do mention "levels" as when saying "look, this pokemon leveled up!". This was really only mentioned in the later seasons. -- RyRy (talk) 04:38, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and what bibliomaniac was saying is that a character had a pikachu. Since it is the computer playing that character, Red (funny name), it is a set level. -- RyRy (talk) 04:39, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Ah, it was owned by a non-playable character. I always thought Red was a playable character (I believe the Pokémon Trainer in Super Smash Bros Brawl was designed after Red). I'm really not familiar with Pokémon after the original 151, in my mind it's still Ash, Misty, and Brock being chased by Team Rocket. Useight (talk) 05:04, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually, no. The Pokemon character in Super Smash Bros Brawl was not based on Red in the Crystal, Silver, and Gold versions of pokemon video games. It was based on the male playable character of the Pokemon Fire Red and Pokemon Leaf Green versions of Pokemon video games. Oh, and it's actually Ash, Brock, and Dawn being chased by Team Rocket now. :D Hehe, I can't believe how much I still know about Pokemon even if I'm not much of a fan anymore, I'm a bit too old for Pokemon. ^_^ -- RyRy (talk) 05:17, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, yeah, the male character in Pokémon Fire Red does look like Brawl's Pokémon Trainer. But, according to the article, the character's name is Red. "A bit too old for Pokémon"? Just because you grow old, doesn't mean you have to grow up. Or said differently, you don't stop having fun when you get old, you get old when you stop having fun. Useight (talk) 05:37, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I guess. Then consider me a Pokemon fan again! :) And I didn't see it said that in the article. -- RyRy (talk) 06:09, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Just to clear everything up, Red is the playable character in Pokémon Red, Blue, Yellow, FireRed, and LeafGreen. He is the NPC (the one battled at the very end) in Pokémon Gold, Silver, and Crystal. He is also the Pokémon Trainer in Super Smash Bros. Brawl. Also the battle mechanics in the Pokémon anime are vastly different from those in the games, so saying Pikachu is level 99 would most likely be incorrect, as well as nonnotable. Artichoker^[talk] 14:33, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

You know, I find it kind of funny that all of you guys are having a forum discussion over a topic brought up by someone who had to rely on a bot to leave a sig! --haha169 (talk) 04:48, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Concept/creation

Here's a question I have that should be addressed: was Pikachu selected from the beginning as the flagship Pokemon, or did it evolve that way after the anime gained popularity? I seem to remember Pikachu being heavily featured in merchandise early on, but the first video games don't particularly highlight it. Brutannica (talk) 22:12, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Actually I seem to remember reading somewhere that some other Pokémon (I think it was Clefairy) was initially the mascot in the very beginning, until Pikachu continued to gain popularity and was picked to star in the anime. Unfortunately, I forgot exactly what I was reading. Artichoker[talk] 23:09, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps you mean the Pocket Monsters manga where Clefairy is a main character?—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 23:13, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Nope, it had nothing to do with the Manga. I just remember reading somewhere about the origin of Pikachu, and it mentioned that initially a different Pokémon was the franchise's mascot. Artichoker[talk] 23:33, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

I once heard that the other mascot from the beginning was actually Jigglypuff. I guess Pikachu was chosen (no pun intended) over Jigglypuff in the end. Useight (talk) 05:48, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

It could have been Jigglypuff. I get the two pink fluffballs mixed up from time to time. Artichoker[talk] 14:06, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Ketchup and Ice-cream

We need to mention Pikachu's love for ketchup and ice-cream. Both of which are seen in the anime. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PikachuSnowman (talk • contribs) 04:56, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't remember that; granted I only watched from seasons 1-3. Artichoker[talk] 14:06, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

I can't recall the ice cream either; I only recall the ketchup thing happening once, in the season 1 episode "Showdown in Dark City". MelicansMatkin (talk) 19:55, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

It also likes apples; one even got stuck in its throat in "A Chansey Operation" (ep. 47). Cheers, Face 20:23, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Good remembering, Face; I'd forgotten all about that one. But the addition of these three things begs the question; are they really necessary? It just seems kind of trivial to me. MelicansMatkin (talk) 21:19, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Pikachu's love for ketchup is also shown in the Johto story arc, as Pikachu can be seen with a bottle of it while Ash and company are eating. Also, Pikachu is shown eating ice-cream in the episode in which the Clefairy build a spaceship. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PikachuSnowman (talk • contribs) 05:34, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Are they true? Yes. Are they trivial and/or irrelevant to understanding what a Pikachu is? Also yes. Ergo, do we add them? Nein. -Jéské ^{(v^_^v Mrrph-mph!)} 18:21, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

They are not trivial details. As shown in many episodes, the physical appearance of Pokemon can be affected by the foods they eat. Ketchup may be an important part of keeping Pikachu's cheeks red! Also, ice-cream may be important in cooling down a Pikachu. Electricity is very hot!PikachuSnowman (talk) 06:07, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

However, unless you have some reliable third-party sources, that would be original research. Useight (talk) 05:07, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

It is established that food can alter appearances, so we can let readers decide if these parts of a Pikachu's diet are affecting its color.PikachuSnowman (talk) 06:07, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, but the facts remain trivial because the diet thing only applies in a third of Pokémon's metaseries (Remember, the franchise is divided into manga, animé, and video game; all three have separate canons). What is true in the anime is sometimes not true in the other two (the same applies to the manga and the video games - for example, the video games state that Team Rocket was disbanded during the timeline of Gold/Silver/Crystal, but Team Rocket is still alive in the anime).-Jéské ^{(v^_^v Mrrph-mph!)} 07:21, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

In the video games, Pokemon can have differing appearances (Shiny Pokemon, East-West Sea Shellos... etc.). Also, all Pokemon of a species are not identical in the manga as well.PikachuSnowman (talk) 07:46, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

True, but diet is generally not the cause of it in the video games (as I've noticed a Shiny Geodude in the same area as mundane Geodudes), and the East-West thing is explained in game as a form of literal evolution. And, as I said, What is true in one isn't true in the rest (while all Pokémon have generally the same look in the games, the anime and manga have variances between members of the same specie. It still does not mean diet plays into it). -Jéské ^{(v^_^v Mrrph-mph!)} 09:04, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Users should be given the full story of the domesticated Pikachu's diet, so that they can draw their own conclusions about differences in Pokemon appearances. Stop reversing my edit! It is essential information!PikachuSnowman (talk) 00:29, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia isn't a purveyor of original research, and what you're suggesting is just that. And, as you keep ignoring, the diet issue isn't universal in the miniseries. Come back with a better argument, please; the ones you have are weak and/or indefensible. -Jéské ^{(v^_^v Mrrph-mph!)} 03:08, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

No, I am not. I am just reporting the facts, so that users may draw their own conclusions. The fact is that I have seen a domesticated Pikachu enjoying ketchup and ice-cream. We can let the users decide what this information means. Also, since we have not seen any Pikachu reject these items (in any media) we cannot assume that these Pikachu dislike ketchup and ice-cream.PikachuSnowman (talk) 03:25, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

That is because, again, only the anime actually shows Pikachu eating ketchup and/or ice cream. And as you describe it, it's original research because it's not confirmed throughout the whole metaseries and are shown only as one-off incidents. -Jéské ^{(v^_^v Mrrph-mph!)} 03:31, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Lets assume that Ash's domesticated Pikachu is a fan of ketchup and ice cream. Even with this assumption there are three problems with including this information in this article:

• Just because Ash's Pikachu shows an affinity for certain foods does not mean that every single domesticated Pikachu with have the same likes. If you could find more domesticated Pikachu which enjoyed those foods as well then you may have an argument, however i do not think that information exists.
• The fact stated has absolutely no notability in the real world or the Pokemon universe. Wikipedia does not exist to provide such specific facts as the one you have added. You need to prove that this fact has notability in this article.
• You have provided no reference for your fact. Without a reference your information cannot be verified.

I hope this matter can be resolved swiftly and efficiently, a dispute like this could hurt the article itself.

I will solve all three points. First, I will put the fact in the "In the anime" section. Second, this has notability because Pokemon tastes are taken into account when Pokéblocks and Poffins are made. Also, during the anime, the color red is very important as Pikachu is attracted to apples, which landed him in a sticky situation and Scyther and Electabuzz both go beserk after seeing the color. The overall theme of Ash's Pikachu being more human than other Pokemon is also well represented, with Pikachu being able to do human-like things such as lick an ice-cream cone, drink a small beverage (and use the garbage can), communicate with Ash through signing, and not staying in his Pokeball. Lastly, Pikachu's affinity for ketchup is shown in Episode 42, Showdown at Dark City, and Pikachu's affinity for ice-cream is shown in Episode 62, Clefairy Tales.