Request:
Hello, I ask to you whether it is possible to make a chart of French invasion in Iberian Peninsula from the following chart: Europe Napoleon 1811.
It would be necessary to put the cities of: Lisbon, Lourinhã, Olivenza, Salamanque, Peniche, Barcelona and Madrid.
English = Lisbon, Lourinhã, Olivenza, Salamanca, Peniche, Barcelona and Madrid
Portuguese = Lisboa, Lourinhã, Olivença, Salamanca, Peniche, Barcelona and Madrid
French = Lisbonne, Lourinhã, Olivenza, Salamanque, Peniche, Barcelone and Madrid
Graphist opinion:
Let me contact the user who did the original map to see if he still has a vector version of it. I don't feel confident redrawing the 1811 borders on a map of present day Europe, but if I can get this map in SVG, I can put on those cities for you. (Or hey, maybe he'll be willing to do it.) MissMJ (talk) 21:35, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately, the original map is not available in vector form, and neither is the source for those borders. Is anyone willing to look for a source and modify a blank map of Europe? MissMJ (talk) 20:56, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This seems a lot more complicated than just getting the borders. There are much more cities relevant to the Peninsular War than those listed above, and just marking them won't be enough to get a good map of the battles. There are several paths that should be linking some of thiese cities. You can see the miriad of results by performing a simple google search for "peninsular war map". below are some of the results I found more relevant in a first glance:
I don't have the time to study the events and make sense of all these, but I suspect a complete map in svg would be an amazing resource (perhaps even a candidate for featured image)
I kept the original borders from Image:Blank map of Europe.svg intact (most countries are outside the limits of this image, though), so this map can be used to make broader maps of the 1st French Empire, covering the entire Europe. That's why I didn't rotate it so the local North would point up. --Waldirtalk17:59, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This map hates me. I can't match up a current map of Spain/Portugal (screenshot from Google Maps) with that map; some of the borders always end up off (Barcelona ends up in the middle of the sea -_-'). And I really don't want to go through all of those other maps and draw all the battles and towns and paths and whatever. I don't really care about Napoleon and I hate battle history. T_T This will bore me to tears. Does anyone else want to take a stab at it? MissMJ (talk) 19:05, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I totally understand you, MissMJ :) That's why I only did the first part of the job afterall ;) but could you at least help tracing the rest of the png so we can have an Europe-wide map of the First French Empire? I am asking instead of doing it myself cause, you know, I've had my share of boredom with this :D --Waldirtalk22:14, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'll try to tackle this. Does anyone have a primary reference for France's borders circa 1811? The borders in [Image:Europe map Napoleon 1811.png] don't exactly match up with any of the maps I found in a quick Google search. Emok (talk) 04:07, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Is anyone one still interested in this map? It's taken me a while to get around to it. Here's the borders--I can add cities and battles later. Emok (talk) 04:41, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The flag itself would of course be out of copyright, but the drawing of the flag might be copyrighted. Just like Beethoven's music is in the public domain, but that doesn't mean you can xerox the orchestra scores.--Slashme (talk) 13:28, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Request: This is by no means urgent, but if someone would like to have a go at cleaning up this image, that would great. It's quite a nice image, and nicely shows Chicago during the exposition. -- NauticaShades23:36, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much. For the future, it is better to upload an edit with the changes you have made, in case some people want to view the original. NauticaShades01:35, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If you want the high-detail dragon picture, it might be better to keep the picture as a PNG, because re-drawing the dragon in such high detail would be a lot of work! --Slashme (talk) 13:23, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
(in reply to question on my talk page) I don't really have time to draw that dragon - it's going to be a long, hard job. --Slashme (talk) 16:10, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
East Kara-Khanid flag svg: Done; Because the source quality is so low, I just traced it with inkscape's potrace plugin. I hope the result is good enough. If not, I'll need a better quality source. --Slashme (talk) 11:58, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hunnic Empire Flag svg: I've done this, but I am not sure whether I may upload it: The Turkish file seems to be "Fair use", not GFDL. Anyway, if anyone sorts out the license, it's a two minute job to trace this in inkscape: just set it to two-colours and delete the png when it's done. --Slashme (talk) 12:25, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I think that it is actually a "PD-old" thing, since the tag on it now as equivalent to our {{logo}} — Frequently misunderstood by people who use it as a content descriptor instead of a copyright tag. Certainly a flag from a no-longer existent state of 100s of years ago isn't likely to be copyrighted by it. 68.39.174.238 (talk) 23:00, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I have been looking for a very long time for another version of this image. it would seem that there is none. The shiled itself is an easy part to do, the only main problem ( and the reason why it has not been done) is becouse of the seal bellow the shield and the wheat/feathers arround it. they are no clear enough nor there is a clear text (that i can read) in wich it describes what it should contain. so there is no way to realistically retrace it as svg -LadyofHats (talk) 11:20, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure why this non-free image needs "improving" the request to convert it to SVG and further "make big", seems to break the spirit, of not letter of WP:FUC 3.b. I don't see anything wrong with the image, and feel the graphics lab should focus on free content and not spend time tweaking and adjusting non-free logos and other commercial work.-Andrew c[talk]12:52, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I think his comment of "Make big" refers to the scalability of the SVGs and the fact that alot of the images he files here are these terrible small unreadable coats and such. Also, the image is already vectorized (As an EPS) on brandsoftheworld. However I will say that uploading it to the English Wikipedia is a bad idea since there's no articel for the subject, and it'll just get deleted. 68.39.174.238 (talk) 22:56, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If it is vectorized, this image shouldn't be VVA'd, since the scanned text contains some details that can't really be vectorized (Ink, etc.). 68.39.174.238 (talk) 22:50, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I’ll have a go, but don't be surprised if it never gets finished. By the way, there is a cleaner, albeit black and white, image here:
If it was vectorised, how complete would it be? i.e., should the image want to just be the eagle, CoAs and crucifix in the middle. I could for see this cleaner version used alongside the original as a sort of 'key', to show what states are shown. This would be more useful than including the comets, parchment around the legs ect. On a similar topic, should the names above the shields be kept, and if so should they be in the original, I assume Old High German, language, or in English, Or maybe if it were to be used for reference, using numbers to relate to a key in the text, as the trend seems to be. Any comments would be appreciated.--23230talk11:08, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The parchments are attached to each "feather", so I wouldn't be surprized if they designate each "feather" as being some region or administrative grouping. I do support the idea of having a very simplified vector version with just the eagle, cross, coats and scrolls (if they are worthwhile) in English. That would allow some template work so you could click on, say "Bayern" and open Bavaria. Distribution of seats in the Austrian Landtage has an example of what I'm thinking of. 68.39.174.238 (talk) 17:43, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, Here are two Example, Work in Progress images. The main focus is on the shields and not on the eagle, so in one version it is left as simple lines. This supplements the fact this is not meant to replace the original, and in my opinion brilliant, image, but to supplement it, to show clearly which shields are which.
I believe the left image is clearer to show the shields and their positions, but it seems a little plain, so the right compensates. Clearly if more detail is needed in the right image it could be added, but I feel it would detract from the shields. Also, at this stage I left out the banners at the bottom explaining the ranks and the titles for the shields, so it can be used on other projects, and if you can roll over to see the link it makes it somewhat unnecessary.
I certainly like the above idea as for the clickable image, and it adds to what I think this image is for. The original is best for art students and historians, but for people wanting to understand the picture and the rankings in the Empire this image could be underneath to explain.
The feathers do have meanings, as I gathered from [1] here, however only as much as the top larger row shows the seven electors and, for some reason, the civil governor of Rome. I seem to gather that on the far left wing are the peasants, so I assume that the far right are the 'Great Princes'. Anyway, this [2] link from the German page seems to explain the meanings well, and gives useful information, but my German is not that good, so if anyone could translate, or know someone who could, it would be appreciated.
As I mentioned, this article on the eagle (the Quaternionenadler) exists on the German wiki, and with this image and the information gained from the article above could be a good excuse to make one here. Comments are welcome. --23230talk19:40, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Perfect. Both images emphasize the main content (Sub-shields) by removing the distractions of the photo. I hadn't noticed before that there WAS a "top row", but now it is clearly shown. Do you think you could go to the next step with these images? 68.39.174.238 (talk) 01:08, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I apologise for the delay, but I have been away for a while. Here is the completed Image:
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Image:Quaterionenadler.svg
What do you think? It shows the shields clearly. The idea of the links on the image to the page is a good one, but whilst we have pages on Brandenburg, Saxony & Magdeburg (the examples I used, in the top right hand corner), some of the shields don't have links, and some of them I couldn't find so I just copied them from the original image. As for the meanings you would have to ask a heraldry expert which I am not, sadly. If you find any differences then please say.--23230talk12:13, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That's amazzing and ought to be approved. The blue-white rhomboids are Bavaria; the bottom one on the 2nd feather to the left is Baden; bottom one on the 5th feather to the left is Lubeck, above that looks like Aachen. The top of the 1st left feather is the "Prefect of Rome", it seems. I don't know what we should do about that, since a link to Rome doesn't give any context of why a German(ic) state would have it on its coat. 68.39.174.238 (talk) 21:21, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Is that just traced text? If so, we should probably find someone who can read it and so actually put it in as text, instead of drawn strokes. 68.39.174.238 (talk) 22:49, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Graphist opinion:
I've had a good go at this one, but the resolution of the image is simply too low to get anything usable. I've also had a look at the source but I can't extract anything from that of significantly better quality. If all you want is a very abstracted view of the main chambers only (the colored bits) it would be possible to create that from scratch. The fine detail underneath the processor, however, is virtually unreadable even when magnified. Debate木12:28, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Is that stuff down there absolutely critical? EG. I can tell that one part of it is a stairwell, which isn't very helpful other than giving scale... 68.39.174.238 (talk) 03:22, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
According to the diagram there appears to be a range of other mechanical bits and pieces (motor, shale feed, riding rings, etc), in addition to some of the internal detail, that are too blurry to easily convert to SVG. Whether they are critical to the diagram or not is something only Kaldari can answer. Debate木08:58, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I did this a few days ago. I wasn't entirely happy with it, but it's growing on me. Happy to try to tweak if needed. Debate木14:21, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Graphist opinion: I made one. Question, does the image show up on anyone else's computer. It wont show on mine unless I open the entire file. --pbroks13talk?21:14, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for giving it a go. Pardon the annoying requests, but it feels a little flat at the moment. Could you maybe add a shade to the tube and maybe a bit more of a 3D reflection thing? Another thing which I'd prefer, is a less saturated color on the red blood cells so they will look more like the sperms and possibly another layer on the sperms so they will look a little more like the brushed version. Sorry for all the requests but right now, the original looks somewhat better than the SVG version, at least in my eyes. JaakobouChalk Talk20:09, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Its no problem. I'm not quites sure by what you meant with "3D reflection thing", but I think I got what you wanted. What do you think? --pbroks13talk?05:24, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It's much better but not quite there yet. Catch me on chat (I sent you an email) and we'll discuss how to make it better than the JPG illustration.
Graphist opinion:
It's a copyrighted logo (and so would any copy of it be) so unless Greek wikipedia allows fair use you will never be able to use it. If greek wikipedia allows fair use then just upload the image localy to the greek wikipedia. /Lokal_Profil00:28, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Flags (in general) are not copyrighted, so almost all of them here are used at any resolution. Many seals (Especially Federal ones) are not copyrighted (Age or willful release). That doesn't mean that ALL seals are. Municipal logos (Except the ancient ones) are almost always copyrighted (In the US @least). I don't know Greek copyright law, but there may be a provision that "official emblems" (or something similar) are not copyrightable; many copyright codes include something like that. 68.39.174.238 (talk) 17:01, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Graphist opinion: I suppose it would be, but is there really a reason to? The image is large enough to give visual identification of the organization. However, I made a png version with transparency. Will that work for you? Image:AustGreens.png --pbroks13talk?16:30, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Every now and again I come across an image that could be vectorised and so I nominate it here, to promote the format among other reasons, so I would have preferred the SVG. No matter though, the PNG is better, thanks. Ben (talk) 16:42, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No I completely understand. It's just that vectorizing fair use images are generally discouraged seeing as the image could easily be resized and set to a very large resolution. Don't get me wrong, I believe that SVG is the most preferable format, but that doesn't mean that i should always be used. --pbroks13talk?17:40, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I understand that argument for not using SVG for fair use images, but I do think it's a bit silly. If you just took out the word 'easily' from what you wrote above, the same could be said of any image format :) Surely the fair use rationale's only concern is our use of the image, not some measure of 'ease of resizing' by other people? Like I said though, no big deal. The PNG will do. Thanks again. Ben (talk) 18:02, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Request: I'd like this lightened and the color balanced appropriately. I lack the knowledge on how to do this correctly, so I thought I'd ask here. Also, if someone wants to try a better crop of the original image, I'm all for that too. I appreciate your help. -- Cumulus Clouds (talk) 21:25, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
New version. I don't read Greek, so in case it gets deleted from commons because I misread the license you might want to grab it quickly... assuming the Greek text makes any sense at all. :) Debate木13:58, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Graphist opinion: Okay, I created an SVG image. Generally, there shouldn't be headers in images, but rather in the image caption. So, I removed at and just made the scale. Any other information needed could just be put in the caption. --pbroks13talk?22:57, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Graphist opinion: I've removed most of the black space. As for resolution, that can only be increased by taking a new photo; software can only uselessly duplicate pixels. --Bowlhover (talk) 04:29, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Request: SVG-ification. I've listed a number of sources above that can help here. For clarity, the flowers circumbounding the crest are Tudor/English roses (example listed above), Thistles (can't find an SVG version but there are some on the Image:Scottish_royal_coat_of_arms.svg), and (I believe) Leeks (Leeks being a national emblem of Wales - no SVG file found.). The motto on the green ribbon is "PLEIDIOL WYF I'M GWLAD" (yes that is spelt correctly!)
Graphist opinion: How's this? Personally, I'm not convinced that it's a better image. Greenland is clearly identified in the original and the expansion significantly reduces the display size of the other countries, making the overall map harder to read. If people really need to see the full geography of Greenland, which is not the main purpose of this image, they can easily find it elsewhere. Debate木01:13, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Article(s): none on the English Wikipedia, however if it were a SVG the text could be easily translated in English and used in the article Racoviţa, Sibiu
Request: This is a very good and detailed map, which however would do a lot better as an SVG rather than a PNG. Could someone please convert this. Also if the text is converted as actual text, please use Ș, ș, Ț, and ț instead of Ş, ş, Ţ, and ţ. The first four are the correct Romanian letters, that use a comma, unlike the last four which use a cedilla under the letter. All versions of Windows older than Vista type the incorrect ones that use a cedilla, when the Romanian keyboard is on. -- — Diego_pmcTalk18:50, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Graphist opinion: I'm not aware of any easy way to extract the text from the image while converting to SVG, however I'd be happy for another editor to correct me on that. In my view the amount of work required to do this properly would be pretty significant and is therefore hard to justify. Debate木08:11, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've uploaded an SVG version based on your CorelDRAW file. I've not attempted to update any text since I really wouldn't know where to start. I haven't attempted to tweak anything other than what was necessary to get it to work. I notice that the green is a lot brighter in the SVG, but maybe that's a good thing for readability? Anyhow, it shouldn't be hard to match the original if you prefer. If there's anything else obvious that needs to be changed let me know. Debate木07:22, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I know nothing about Tibetan traditional practices, therefore it would be best if someone who knows something about the topic could suggest appropriate pictures to work from. I'm not at all clear, for example, whether a simple image of a conch shell would suffice, in which case a search of the commons will elicit several good images. Regardless, I can certainly find images, such as those at The Eight Auspicious Symbols and NMM's Beede Gallery, and base something off these, however I'd still need clarification of any potential copyright problems before starting work. Debate木09:41, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Request: Hello. Any chance these ones could be svg'd? The first is blue, but black is fine since it seems all the other svg's have been made that way. Cheers, Ben (talk) 11:03, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Opinion: Easy enough to do in Excel, however I'd need the original figures from which the chart was made. I can get these off the SIPRI website, however their SIPRI copyright notice suggests that someone would need to seek their permission first before we could produce something based on those figures. Debate木05:46, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
IIRC, copyright does not apply to the actual data, just the creative expression of those data - so you'd be free to make a chart from it. From WP:COPY:
"Note that copyright law governs the creative expression of ideas, not the ideas or information themselves."
THe original graph is "PD-self" (I'm assuming on that assumption). If that is incorrect, it should just be deleted and this request canceled if it's impossible. 68.39.174.238 (talk) 15:30, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I am convinced by Time3000's argument. I have uploaded three graphs based on 2007 figures. You can use all or none as you think fit. It appears that data for the original graph was processed fairly heavily, converting it into both Euros and also amalgamating European Union country figures. I haven't done either of those things - the figures are as found, in US$ and with no EU category. The original was also based on 2006 data and the 2007 data is now available, so I've used that instead. Consequently, before updating any relevant articles you will need to check accompanying text to ensure it is still relevant. If anyone desperately needs the EU amalgamated data, or the dollars converted into Euros, feel free to do the required calculations and post the figures. I can update the graphs as required. Debate木06:25, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Graphics Lab/Illustration workshop
Europe Napoleon 1811
Stale
Mongol Empire GIF
Chagatai Khanate
Ilkhanate
Mongol Empire
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GIF
Kazakh svg
GIF
Horde svg
SVG version
GIF
Resolved
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SVG
Roman clad in toga
svg
New
Alt. New
Use
Illustration of hematospermia
JPG
Use
SVG
SVG with background
crop
full
SVG without header
SVG with header
SVG file of the crest.
SVG file of the crown.
SVG file of the English roses.
Toponymic map of Racoviţa, Romania
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Insignia of the government of Morocco.
Star and colours.
Original.
Vectorization without Transparency.
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