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Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
October 16, 2008	Articles for deletion	Redirected
October 17, 2008	Articles for deletion	Kept

Full Quote?

Would it be possible to put a full recounting of the conversation in this article? Right now it is a severely shortened "quote" designed to mislead. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jasendorf (talk • contribs) 13:47, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I dunno if it's designed to mislead, but it is the common soundbyte played. Regardless, I agree that the full quote should be included if it can be found. --Amwestover (talk) 13:55, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Query

Could someone point me to the discussion(s) which led to decision to overturn the result at AfD. Thanks in advance. CIreland (talk) 10:02, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joseph Wurzelbacher Jokestress (talk) 10:11, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I will update the banner above to reflect this. CIreland (talk) 10:16, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How is this Significant?

I'd have to say most of America really does not care who this "Joe the Plumber" is. Rcollins03 (talk) 10:22, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, the result of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joseph Wurzelbacher seems to suggest otherwise. Cheers, –Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 13:07, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Visitor Numbers also suggest otherwise. --Falcorian ^(talk) 13:49, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you've yet to figure out the most the stuff in the 08 campaign is irrelevant crap that has no bearing on anything yet is blown up by the media so much someone utterly insignificant can get a wikipedia page....I think you have bigger problems. :P --69.11.210.114 (talk) 14:12, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Controversies

Still having no idea the significance of this person, I've seen his name in the news lately as several try to "expose" him. Some highlights not mentioned in the Wikipedia article:

- Joe is his middle name, not his first name. Nobody in the world goes by their middle name unless they're up to no good.

- He's just a plumber, he is also known to have a minger kid,not Sir Doctor of Plumbing Joe Esquire PHD. Many cite this as meaning he's "not a plumber".

- He has admitted that he intentionally didn't softball Obama, so clearly he was a paid republican plant.

- He already has trouble paying taxes as it is, so clearly his claims of concern over tax increases are false.

135.196.36.149 (talk) 11:02, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I was tempted to remove your claims since they appear to be unsourced and seem to be largely soapboxing but decided to just leave them in. However you're quite wrong about the middle name thing. A lof of people go by their middle name when they don't like their first name (or for a bunch of other reasons). This includes quite a number of respected people. See the middle name article for brief mention of this. BTW, please don't start lines with spaces. It results in formatting problems. I've modified your comment to remove the problem Nil Einne (talk) 11:45, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The talk page is supposed to discuss ways to improve the article, not people's opinions pro or con the subject of the article. Right now, "Joe the Plumber" is the focus of indignation from all sides of the political spectrum. Some angrily feel he misrepresented himself. Others angrily feel that he is being unfairly attacked. THIS TALK PAGE IS NOT THE PLACE FOR THAT DEBATE. This is the place for comments like "Should the article have a controversies section?" or "Somebody keeps reverting my edit." betsythedevine (talk) 13:26, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

SF Chron Article

Some interesting facts in the article:

"[Joe] told the conservative Web site familysecuritymatters.org that catching the Democratic presidential candidate off guard "was actually my intent.""
His name was mentioned 21 times by McCain in the debate, and 26 in total.
He owes $1200 in back taxes, and $1200 to St. Charles Mercy Hospital.
He has no plumbing license as required by Ohio, and so according to the Toledo Blade, he isn't a plumber.
He's lived in Arizona, and Alaska.
He was a registered member of the National Law Party, but is now a Republican and voted in the Republican primary.
McCain said that Joe was the Winner of the debate.

--Falcorian ^(talk) 13:57, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The article actually says the Natural Law Party, not the National Law Party.—greenrd (talk) 16:56, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for this article

There was some political debate among my coworkers that this article really helped clear up. It is notable and it helped us. Thanks! --146.145.79.137 (talk) 15:11, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Great stuff. I typed in 'joe the pumber' not really expecting to find anything on Wikipedia. I think it's brilliant that the day after it becomes news there is a wikipedia page on it, remember those old encylopedias?--86.133.232.139 (talk) 16:58, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Joe Wurzelbacher on GMA on ABC

The wikipedia article states that Joe Wurelbacher had been contacted by the McCain campaign before his encounter with Obama. This is incorrect. Diane Sawyer asked if he had been contacted by McCain about the debate, not if he had been contacted by McCain before his Obama encounter. Nobody even knew who he was until Obama showed up in his neighborhood. He has since been contacted by McCain to appear at a rally. Please make this correction in your article. Correct News Oct. 17, 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Correct news (talk • contribs) 17:00, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please limit opinion on this article

The individual is rapidly becoming a campaign pawn for both campaigns. Entries and edits that are intended to influence the election need to be restricted. Objective information only.

For example, the following statement from the article is pure opinion: "Obama's choice of words were suggested to have evoked the populist "Share Our Wealth" movement of Huey Long.[7]"

The citation is to one individual's interpretation of candidate statement published in editorial weblog. Wikipedia should not be used as a vehicle to the interpretations of the original author or the editor who added this text. PLEASE REMOVE. I cannot since I am not a long-standing editor and the article is semi-protected. Thank you.