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Game article updates

OK, I have to ask -- are you just obsessively updating all of the videogame articles, or are you intentionally trawling the list of things i've worked on and cleaning up my messes? (I don't mind at all if you are, I'm just curious). --Nandesuka 16:05, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

I watch a lot of video game articles and just stumble across your new articles. While they are generally good content-wise, they lack wiki-markup for lead sentences. For example, you are correctly italicizing game titles, e.g. War Wind, but for the first sentence of an article, the object needs to be bolded as well, e.g. War Wind. Objects which don't need to be italicized should just be bolded, e.g. Mark Allen. Reading through Wikipedia:Guide to writing better articles might help you out. Keep up the good work, I really like your articles! Some I even know something about (such as Sabotage). :-) — Frecklefoot | Talk 16:16, August 10, 2005 (UTC)

Game designer

Very well-written article and well-reasoned explanations on the Talk page. --Habap 19:01, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Golly, thanks! I hardly ever get compiments. :-) — Frecklefoot | Talk 20:50, August 17, 2005 (UTC)

Since an anon just alleged a PC Games prejudice in the Game Designer article, I just wanted to weigh in here that the articles/edits I've seen from you have seemed well balanced. If you've had some bias I haven't noticed it, and you are obviously not defensive about others editing you. So please accept compliments for your balance and ignore the criticism on Talk:Game Designer. Coll7 01:16, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks! I try to remember the compliments and forget the insults, but sometimes the compliments are few and far between. Thanks, it's appreciated! — Frecklefoot | Talk 01:54, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Gary Gygax

May I ask why the second picture of Gary Gygax was "unsuitable for Wikipedia"? The man exemplies RPG gaming. The first picture is pointless without the second. I don't think all shots should have to be boring and drab, no? K.Nevelsteen 21:12, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. Not all pictures have to be boring and drab, but, frankly, I thought the second one was stupid, even if it was created by Gygax himself. The first picture is a photo of Gygax. How is that pointless without the second?

If you disagree with me, bring it up on the talk page for the article. Wikipedia articles are a joint effort; see what other editors think. — Frecklefoot | Talk 14:54, August 11, 2005 (UTC)

Sleep Paralysis shows separate states - comments

Dear Frecklefoot,

My name is M. van Veen and I am not a Wikipedia user with an account; only a guest who is able to post. And yes, it was my personal experience, in which I was fully conscious as you are now.

True, it is original in the sense that there is no reference to any reputable source or publication. My addition was intended to complement an article that has partly no proper conclusion other than the reputation of its sources, so partly no proper conclusion regarding to its contents.

The statement I gave (From the personal...the same time) was originally written in first person by myself, and later altered by someone else. During this experience I was an observer of what was happening, which automatically meant that I was in fact separated from this happening. That is all, not really different than the fact that you, when you read this, know that you are awake right now.

I just read the latest change in this article, made by someone who undoubtly is a fan of poetry, but perhaps does not have the means to cope with something that does not support his own personal ambitions. His reaction shows the lack of scientific ability to address this subject fully all too clearly, which is exactly my point in my apparently contoversial addition. The article of "Sleep paralysis" as a whole has many gaps that need to be resolved by 'science', and therefore cannot hold temporary statements in the form of valid conclusions, such as calling "awareness during sleep paralysis" a "disorder" by definition.

See for yourself what you do with my addition, it does not matter to me, it might matter to those who want to understand more about this subject without falling into the trap of accepting merely temporary conclusions that are based on unfinished business.

Regards, M. van Veen

Mr. Veen (or whoever you are, I have no idea if you are who you claim to be), you apparently were not aware that Wikipedia is not a place for original research. This includes personal experiences which is exactly what the section you added was. I reverted it again because it is totally inappropriate material.

Yes, there probably is too little research on sleep paralysis, but Wikipedia is not the place to champion your cause. I personally suffer from SP as does my daughter (though we both experience it very infrequently). If you want to discuss your findings or research on SP, start your own website. Don't try to promote it on Wikipedia. Wikipedia has a strong mandate of neutral point-of-view (NPOV). Forbidding personal experiences and original research is in line with this policy. If you want to discuss this further, do it on the articles Talk page, not here. I am just one editor and you'd benefit from the input of more editors.

It appears you had difficulty coming up with exactly the right wording for your comment above. You made changes no fewer than 11 times. Apparently you didn't like the way your statement sounded after making the changes. Here's a tip: the "Show preview" button shows you what your post will look like before submitting it. Maybe it'll save you some time in the future. — Frecklefoot | Talk 14:19, August 15, 2005 (UTC)

And a personal sneer afterward! congratulations, Mr. Frecklefoot, or whoever you are you claim to be... What does it matter if I add or change my post, even if it is a 1000 times... Just because you have full support from Wiki, that does not mean you are morally justified as well... but of course, I am a troll and you are the gnome isn't it? Well, I am fed up with this political internet nonsense, so I urge you to delete my addition!

Well, I certainly didn't mean to make a sneer—I was sincerly only trying to help. The "Show preview" button has saved me a great deal of time in my own postings.

How am I morally unjustified for trying to abide by the Wikipedia standards? They've been honed and modified over the years and I'm just trying to make sure articles abide by them. I even suggested you take your beef to the Talk page so you wouldn't have to deal with just me, but could get comments from other editors (i.e. just normal people who enjoy Wikipedia). If you truly thought your addition had merit, you would have brought the topic up there. I even started a discussion on it there and you didn't bother responding there. Instead you came back here, to blast me personally.

Lastly, no, I will not remove your post here. It's considered bad form. But wait a while, and eventually it'll be archived. Take care. — Frecklefoot | Talk 14:02, August 16, 2005 (UTC)

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Dune II

I noticed you revert on Dune II. Wasn't Dune 2000 a rewrite though, I think it was completely new code. Certainly the graphics engine was new. Multiplayer was new too. Not a straight port no? Jacoplane 21:51, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Portions of it may have been new code, but a substantial part of it was re-used code from Dune II. It would've been ridiculous for them to totally throw away the DOS code for the Windows port. So, unless, you can find someone from the original dev team that states it was all new code, I think it should state it was ported. You could mention the new features, however. If it gets too long, Dune 2000 will need its own sub-section.

Actually, a lot of the home versions of arcade games are called "ports", even though the only thing ported might be some of the art. Sometimes not even that, as in the case of Pac-Man, for one. So the term port is often mis-used in video game parlance. But in this case, I think it is used correctly. A lot of the code (and art) was ported, but they also added new featues. — Frecklefoot | Talk 13:53, August 19, 2005 (UTC)

Plastic Surgery Discussion Forum Issue

Dear Frecklefoot,

I am writing to you regarding a link you removed from the plastic surgery site under Wikipedia. The link was to a plastic surgery discussion forum, which do not receive any form of funds from anyone and is therefore completly impartial. I understand that Wikipedia is not a link farm etc, however it might be relevant for people reading about plastic surgery to know that you have the possiblity to talk about issues that might concern you prior to an operation and share your experiences. I would be grateful the site could be added to your links or if you could advise how it might be possible to add it.

Many thanks for your help.

Kind Regards,

Thomas Sylvest ts@d-raw.com

Links of that nature, even if "impartial" and non-commercial are often reverted outright. Wikipedia's always had a problem of having marketers or well-meaning but misguided individuals trying to tout their own businesses or their pet sites. I'm not implying that you are either of the preceeding, but we can't evaluate every link that is added to an article and decide on it's relevance. Unfortunately, the plastic surgery article you added a link to has been, as of late, a big target for "spam links."

If you want to add your link and think it's worthy, first discuss adding it on the article's talk page. Note, since this is a wiki, you don't have to discuss every edit you make to every article (though a summary of your changes is appreciated when you save the page). But in this case, in an effort to reduce spam, the link warrants some discussion first.

Also, the correct way to sign your posts is with 3 or 4 tildes (~~~ or ~~~~). The latter is preferred since it also adds a timestamp. I notice that you included your email address in your "hand" signature. I hope you don't expect me to email you, because I won't. Thanks. — Frecklefoot | Talk 14:15, August 25, 2005 (UTC)

Sleep paralysis

Just thought I'd draw your attention to a Help desk query about your edit summary "whack-job" in the Sleep paralysis article. The question is here. --Commander Keane 12:47, September 1, 2005 (UTC)

Um, thanks. I hope he stops asking people to email him, it won't happen. We've responded several times to him, but he keeps insisting that we email him. — Frecklefoot | Talk 14:48, September 1, 2005 (UTC)

Frecklefoot, FYI, I've responded to your post over in the AMA area - Jord 16:57, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

D&D Module Info Box

Please come see the template I created trying to balance everyone's comments; Template talk:DnDmodule Thanks for your suggestions Wendell 05:24, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Extended warranty

I just made a service plan page. Yeah, I work for CompUSA, so feel free to de-bias it, it's my first article. I made it to clarify the difference between those things electronics retailers spam you with and extended warranties, and there ARE actually some important differences. --Riotgear

Fan sites against policy?

You reverted an addition of a fan site claiming linking to fan sites was against policy. However, Wikipedia:External_links#Maybe_OK_to_add states: "including a link to one major fansite is appropriate". What policy were you referring to? Thanks for being active in pruning external links though - it's a never ending and tiresome problem. JesseW, the juggling janitor 06:23, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Well, right where you pointed to it says "including a link to one major fansite is appropriate, marking the link as such." I guess that is open to interpretation, but it says (1) just one link to a fansite and (2) it says "major." That is very ambigious wording. What constitutes "major"? Number of hits? Amount of content? Members? Google score? I personally don't find any of these numbers compelling. I generally only leave fansite links if they are official, such as "The Official Fan Club of Roy G. Biv". Otherwise, they're just noise. Wikipedia is not a link farm. So, however well intentioned an extern link to a fan site may be, if it's not official, I don't think it can be considered "major". — Frecklefoot | Talk 15:34, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

Billy Joel

re: Billy Joel spam I noticed that you re-added a "spam" link in the Billy Joel article. I assume you did this without knowing that link—pianofanman.com—is a known spam link and should not be in the article. An anon user keeps adding it and we keep deleting it. Just FYI. If you see it deleted again in the future (which it most likely will be since the anon user is rather relentless), it shouldn't be re-added. Thanks. — Frecklefoot | Talk 15:34, September 9, 2005 (UTC)

Hi. What's a spam link. I went to the link and I don't recall it having any popups, if that's what you mean by spam link. I certainly won't add it back, but if you could explain the term it'd be helpful. Looked like quite a good site to me.

Best wishes, -- User:matt.whitby

Discussion continued here.

Redirecting a redirct

Thank you for working on "Editing digital images." and for leaving me a message so I can talk to you. I am a newbie. You changed the name of my newly posted article "Editing digital images" to "Digital image editing". When I search "Editing images" a redirect comes up that points to: "Digital image editing". How can I avoid going to the redirect and instead go directly to: "Digital image editing"? Phil 19:15, September 12, 2005 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean. If you go to a redirect page, it should automatically redirect you to the real article. Your URL will have the name of the redirect page, but if you go to edit the article, you will edit it and not the redirect page. Could you give me some more details? — Frecklefoot | Talk 20:06, September 12, 2005 (UTC)

Internet Games

I am curious as to why you removed the links in the section Internet Games "Examples" and denoted them as linkspam. They are all valid internal wiki references, why would they be considered spam when they redirect to (mostly) purposeful examples of browser based games? Everquest, Planetside and Runescape are mentioned in MMORPGs, so I don't see the difference in internet games. -Moocats 20:03, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

My removal may have been a bit rash. I saw someone who had been adding spam links to several articles add his game to the "Examples" section. I figured that whoever put those links there, just did it to promote their own games, even though they were internal wikilinks. I figured that section would just attract more self-promoters. But, if they really are valid, maybe we can just prune the list from time to time (as if most we didn't have enough to do already...). Go ahead and restore the list if you like, I won't revert it. But italicize the game titles if you do (game titles should always be ital). — Frecklefoot | Talk 21:49, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

I figure as long as they have their own wiki page and the page isn't just a stub with a homepage link in it, they would be ok. I'm also double checking to make sure they HAVE a wiki page, not just a link to their homepage. And I'll cap the names too, thanks for the info :) I also removed two of the links, one was definitely spam and the other was a link to an article that was a NPOV stub. I wrote a message in the discussion are of the article in question telling them why I removed the link to it and how to fix it :) -Moocats 12:34, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Sorry!

Hello Frecklefoot!

I want to congratulate you for your nice work inside Wikipedia and I'm sorry of adding a new link to the sims 2 section, I thought that I could add a sims 2 list of fansites. I don't think I will appear here again, so if you wanna contact, "webmaster (a) simsextremos.com" You may wanna delete this ;)

Since the link already existed in The Sims article, I didn't think it was needed in The Sims 2 article as well. Fan site links are discouraged on Wikipedia, and I wanted to nip things in the bud. IMHO, all the fan sites on The Sims article should be trimmed. A link to a list of fansites would be fine, though. — Frecklefoot | Talk 16:04, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Requested move: game tester -> game testing

Your participation is requested at Talk:Game tester. Thank you. Adraeus 22:05, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Visual Basic wikibook

I see you have contributed to the Visual Basic article on Wikipedia. Any chance you would like to join in editing the wikibook: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Programming:Visual_Basic_Classic? --Kjwhitefoot 07:40, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, but I really don't know all that much about Visual Basic. Plus, I'm not a huge fan of it, so I'll leave it to the experts... — Frecklefoot | Talk 13:48, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Romero's picture

I noticed John Romero's picture has no source and may be up for deletion. Did he ever respond to your comment? Tfine80 00:10, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Do you mean the talk page of his article? No, he hasn't. I think he uploaded the new picture of himself, but neglected to add the copyright status for it. Someone should probably post a note on his talk page. — Frecklefoot | Talk 18:52, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Jimmy Buffett caption

Looks good to me, not too POV :) Turnstep 22:23, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

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