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Another copyvio

This section contains useful information, but it has been lifted from here without editing. I don't have time right now to rewrite. Anyone keen? SilkTork 17:52, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Harvest

Harvest begins by late August (in the northern hemisphere) and may last just over a month depending upon the size of the farm and the varieties being harvested. It is a very busy time when farm crews double in size and often work around the clock. Hop vines are first cut about one meter. (3-ft.) above the ground by an implement called a bottom cutter, which is attached to the front of a tractor. Within minutes the vines are cut from the overhead support wires by a machine called a top cutter. The hop-laden vines fall into truck beds or trailers, which transport them to picking machines located nearby. Typical picking machines can pick three to six hectares (7.5-15 acres) of hops per day, depending upon the variety and operating time. Hop vines enter the picking machine at the feeding station where vines enter upside down. Hops and leaves are stripped from the vines, with the vines passing through the picking machine to the back of the system. Once there, the vines drop into a chopper and are turned into mulch, later to be returned to the soil. Leaves and hops fall through a traveling wire mesh and onto a conveyor which takes them through a series of cleaning devices that remove the leaves and stems from the hop cones. Stems and leaves eventually are conveyed to trash, while the hops are cleaned and recleaned by a network of screens, drums, and dribble belts.

Drying and Baling

A typical kiln floor is approximately 100 sq. m. (1056 square ft.), and will be evenly covered to a depth of a little less than one meter (approximately 1 yard). Traditionally hops rest on a floor that is covered by a loosely woven burlap cloth although some new kilns have metal floors with tiny holes through which hot air may pass. Oil and gas burners heat the air to a temperature of about 60 to 74 degrees Celsius (140 to 165 degrees Fahrenheit). It is then forced through the bed of the freshly picked hops for about nine hours. During this time, the hop cone will lose up to 70% of its green weight and retain a moisture content of only 8-10%. Once dried, cool, moist air is forced through the dried hops while still on the kiln floor. Conveyors then move the hops to a cooling room where they are allowed to continue cooling for 12-24 hours. During this cooling period, moisture spreads evenly throughout the hop cones. After cooling, hops are conveyed to hydraulic balers that press the product into 200-pound (90-kilogram) bales. Bales measure 20x30x55 inches (51x76x140 cm). Within 48 hours from the time the hops were harvested in the field, they are placed in cold storage warehouses. Hops undergo comprehensive quality inspection. Bale lots, consisting of 200 to 400 bales, are sampled and inspected by the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA). Core samples from each lot are sent to the USDA certification laboratory where the samples are analyzed for leaf, stem and seed content. Each lot is then issued a certificate documenting its percentage of leaf, stem and seed content.

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Progress – Developed as a replacement for Fuggles, this has a higher alpha rating, and is often found in combination with Goldings.

Saaz – The Bohemian hop, used in almost all Czech pilsners. It gives a soft bitterness, so IBUs can be high without harshness. The aroma is famous, and a fresh Pilsner Urquell is still the best place to learn it.

Santiam – Aroma variety with mid-range alphas.

Select - Disease-resistant Spalt substitute

Simcoe - High alpha variety with piney notes and a rounded bitterness. Has made increasing appearances the past couple of years, in both pilsners and ales.

Spalt - Noble hop, with a fine, spicy aroma. Used in all manner of German-style beers both ale and lager. Is the signature hop for altbier.

Sterling - A Saaz hybrid, similar to Saaz in character but easier to grow and higher yielding.

Strisselspalt - Classic French aroma hop, used mainly in lagers. Fairly neutral character can be tough to detect, but is similar to Herbrucker.

Styrian Goldings – Actually derived from Fuggles, but grown in more continental conditions. I find them spicier, and more elegant than Fuggles, while retaining the delicious woodsy character. Used in a wide range of beers, from English ales to witbier and both English and Belgian strong ales.

Target - Multiuse mid-to-high alpha hop from England. Parentage is from Kent Goldings.

Tettnang – Classic hop of North German pilsners, Tettnang are used for both bittering and aroma (though the latter is often in conjunction with some form of Hallertau). Bitterness from Tettnang is rich, yet soft, so brewers can really crank up the IBUs without rendering the beer astringent.

What is an "elegant, refined taste"?

Humulene imparts an elegant, refined taste and aroma to beers containing it.

This phrase is vague. Something cannot taste "elegant". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by JoeyJoeJoe70 (talk • contribs) 03:28, 9 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Yet taste is frequently described as elegant. Would you prefer "humulene imparts a taste that is frequently described as elegant" ? OliAtlason (talk) 03:10, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Saying something tastes elegant is just plain silly. It's like saying something tastes like justice, or hope. These are abstract concept. You can't bite them so they don't have a flavor. 74.77.128.175 (talk) 19:49, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is this the thing that gives beer the someone-pissed-in-a-glass taste?

Female and male flowers

No mention of which flowers are used in beer – my understanding is that it's only the female flowers. Is that correct? If so, why?--Richard New Forest 12:07, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hop Crisis

Would a section on the current hop crisis be pertinent? Blockader (talk) 18:02, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Anecdote: Hops Related to Cannabis

Read this interesting botanical anecdote, that these plants are relatives. Maybe worth integrating into the article? Reb42 (talk) 06:46, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, that may belong in Hop (plant) if it's not already there, but it's really not as interesting as a lot of people make out. They are only related in that they are both members of the Cannabaceae family, along with about 170 other species. They're not as related as many people think (I assume people think they're more related because of the family name). -- Mark Chovain 07:02, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I read in high times mag that hopps are in fact the closet to pot. More so than any other plant. I think that it should be noted some where in the article. Hopps does have a chemical make up close to THC also the mag stated. Rippey574 (talk) 06:22, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Split:list of hop varieties

The Hop Varities section is basically one big list, and I think the article would be neater if most of this list was split into a proper article and tabulated, with a paragraph left on this article about the mian varieties. Million_Moments (talk) 20:21, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I reckon that's a great idea. I've been wondering how this article can be cleaned up for a long time, and a split seems perfect to me. -- Mark Chovain 22:09, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think the split is uncontroversial enough that I'm just going to be bold, and perform the split. -- Mark Chovain 03:49, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've intentionally lost the prose from the variety section, as it was not really all that useful (IMO). If anyone wants to put it back in (or better, rewrite it), it's available in this version. -- Mark Chovain 04:17, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I will tabulate the List of hop varieties article and write a brief lead for it. A modified version of that lead could then be used in this article in a section that links to the list as the main article. Million_Moments (talk) 13:53, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]