Talk:Street Fighter IV

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Character List vandalism

I know this isn't important but somebody put Goku and Galactus on the character list! I'm sorry I had to state it, but this was kind of funny! lol

Character roster

So SFIV has finally been released in Japanese arcades and that's the base cast? Reason I'm asking is that I know July 2008 was supposed to be the Japanese arcade release for it, which is now, and I seen the intro video with Akuma in there, but not in gameplay videos. He's in there right?

Just as well, Capcom is taking votes on their blog for new characters in the home releases. Is it any kind of idea to maybe recreate the third column for characters exclusive to home releases or is there something in the text of the article mentioning the possiblity of exclusive characters? I didn't read the whole article. Vgamer101 (talk) 01:53, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

C class

It's extremely difficult for an unreleased game to have all that high a rating. There's just no conclusive info. JAF1970 (talk) 07:06, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Well there is more citable information available, but as it stands it has more for it than simply start-class material. How can C be "that high a rating" when it's a notch above start and below B?--Kung Fu Man (talk) 07:48, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

How Many Characters Are There Going To Be in SF4? (W/o Console Characters?) ==

Because It looks like this is the last of the Roster if you ask me. Lasttiger (talk) 20:21, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

There's a reason this was archived: it isn't a forum, and speculating will do nada for the article.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 01:08, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for that useless bit of information Lasttiger (talk) 14:46, 7 July 2008 (UTC) Useless or not, he's right. Go to CRAPCOM's website, LameFAQs or LameSpot for further info. Wikipedia hasn't to provide you with such info.--Kim Kusanagi (talk) 16:34, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Guy ,Charlie,Akuma and Gen should be in the game as well as Grimmjow!!!Grimmjow E6 (talk) 15:54, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that AT LEAST Akuma is going to end up in the main game roster by the time the game's finished.

Furthermore Kim you seriously have an anger/hatred issue (or at least you talk with hatred). Just because Capcom doesn't do what YOU like (or gamefaqs or gamespot) doesn't mean they deserve to have you bash them. And to go on with my earlier argument sense I can't edit older discussions: Yes, some people might like a prequel to explain things. Ryu and Ken's moves are the same because they where trained by the same master, unlike Necro who has nothing to do with Dhalsim. As for Remy yea good point, hints why many people thought he was Charlie's son. And just because you think Bison is "That pajama wearing guy who keeps comming back" (wherever the heck that childish crack came from) doesn't mean other people do. I love Bison; he is one of my favorite 2D fighting bosses of all time. So what if it seems like Budokai? Budokai's engine is a very well made 2.5D engine. The graphics ARE good and the gameplay looks very solid. I'll argue that untill it is released and hopefully after as well. However at least fan's who didn't like the game still wouldn't bash it before it was even realeased. Also fine, if you want to be like that then go ahead, you must be dissapointed often I guess. Video Game companies are not going to be able to make every little fan happy. It's THEIR company so they can do whatever they want to do; get over it. Or hey, don't get over it, complain some more. I'm a huge Capcom fan and I can accept this game even if it sucked, so why can't you? Capcom Fighting Evolution wasn't great, but I didn't whine and complain about it. Then again, with a name like Kim Kusanagi you could very well be an SNK fan that came here to bash the latest Capcom game, but anyway. I love SFA and III too, but someone could EASILY do the same thing as you and say that Alpha and III are past their prime. I can't wait to play this game, and that game is the new addition to the SF series that has less than half the origonal SF team working on it and STILL looks good: Street Fighter 4. Sabishii_Kage (talk) 11:14, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

I cant WAIT to play this game either but i REALY wish that capcom would put Grimmjow as an easter egg or a second to last boss......,Grimmjow E6 (talk) 00:20, 13 July 2008 (UTC).(you know the most badass character from bleach the anime)

It's Street Fighter IV, not Soul Calibur 4. Capcom doesn't even own him, do they?--Kung Fu Man (talk) 02:03, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Namco develops and publish soul caliber while capcom develops and publishes street fighter...,Grimmjow E6 (talk) 23:35, 16 July 2008 (UTC).

That's not the point. This isn't a forum to list what characters you would like to see in the game, especially out-of-nowhere characters from popular anime. NeoChaosX (talk, edits) 08:15, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

I know that smart one, and besides it would be cool if he is a character with street fighter but stemming away from that,I checked one of the external links on the street fighter 4 article and it has a website with magazine scans of Dan and Fei Long as well as the new boss of street fighter 4 Seth [1] check it out it is most likely legit add it to the character confirmation on the said page if you see it neccissary......,Grimmjow E6 (talk) 15:53, 17 July 2008 (UTC).(I know you at least thought thats a good idea..Grimmjow and akuma=awsomeness!)

First, it's true, I used to have anger related issues. So what, big deal. About the second thing, when you screw things up, you deserved to be bashed and even physically punished. And no, no one formulates questions about uncovered things. CRAPCOM is trying to create a plothole where there weren't any. They could have perfectly created new interesting characters to replace the old boring ones but NOOO we have to put our stupidest employee in charge who also happens to play only SFII and suck at the rest. Third, Budokai is not any good at all. Fourth, just because you produce anything, it means you can poo your product years later, that's ridiculous, you're just a suck up yes man if you swallow anything they send to you and put aside your taste, pride and dignity. You aren't a serious gamer if you didn't criticize the multiple flaws in CFJ. Fifth, SKN sucks huge dog balls with their craptastic series, so the name doesn't mean anything. Last, that "half of the staff" is fake BS. Get your facts straight.--Kim Kusanagi (talk) 16:46, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Um that is your opinion i belive DBZ tenchaichi 3 and the last of the original bodikai for the PS2 bodikai 3 is just as good as virtua fighter, tekken, DOA and other well known fighting games. So come into reality and notice that everything you think is fact that is just base on what you think is highly unimpaortant and is mediocre in the eyes of others that actually do research on the subject. You havent even stated anything about the game itself you just started of by saying “thats a crappy series″ OR its “not any good″ LOL. Anyway even if you did your research with hardcore evidence that say these games “suck huge balls″ or is “poo″ and the games are a “craptistic series″ and user Sabishi Kage is indeed a “suck up″ and a “yes man″ that is not neaded here on wikipedia. And also if you two are going to start an edit war over something that is not even related to this article and is childish as Kim Kusanagi paragraph maybe you two should exchange your yahoo user names or myspace user names or whatever to argue. BUT not here on this DISSCUSSION PAGE. And Kim Kusanagi “when you screw things up, you deserved to be bashed and even physically punished″......WOW you need therapy about child hood realated issues buddy, mabey its because of your dad, your mom or possibly your grandfather beating on you? That is obviously some words said by someone that needs help mentaly most likely due to incidents done when you were a child. I mean, who say or even type something like that? You have only added a useless sentence to this page until you came up with this paragraph that shows you have anger issues, you used to get beaten on and you belive what you say goes without any research (more clearly without say) “Get your facts straight″ LOL ......,Grimmjow E6 (talk) 05:17, 2 August 2008 (UTC).

If you are a serious FG player (of course you're not), you know how badly DBZ sucks. And it does NOT by any means feature high level play like VF or Tekken. Stop pretending. BTW, my aggressive nature is not due to childhood related issues, because I was raised just fine, and I was taught to call things by their name. Ono is an imbecile and I would say it straght in his face if I had to meet him. I've done more than what you think to get my facts straight by checking every freaking source available and if you want to learn more, look for me at gamefaqs.--Kim Kusanagi (talk) 01:26, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Gentlemen, this is not the appropriate place for this argument and you are both in breach of Talk Page Guidelines. If you can find some reputable citations for your points of view, by all means include them. SupernautRemix (talk) 11:06, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Rest assured, I've given him directions for further talk, I won't touch this subject again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kim Kusanagi (talk • contribs) 18:50, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

You have simply argued your opinion (which I disagree with) in a rude and simple minded way while resorting to things like saying I need help and my childhood was screwed up. My parents are practically saints compared to most parents and I love them very much. You don't know anything about me but obviously I guessed many things right about you. And my facts are perfectly straight thanks. Yes, I am a serious FG player but not in the "everything has to have certain amounts of combos and quickness or whatever, or the gameplay isn't tight enough!" like you are. So no there is no further need for talking, I'm through with you as well. Sorry for instigating an argument in discussion. In the words of Hugo: "The eeend!" Sabishii_Kage (talk) 00:18, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Some fixings needed

• The references need to be in the proper format. That doesn't mean absolutely using the template, just in the style for references of that particular sort. Some are missing publisher info, date info, there's no need to mention a page is in html format, etc. Arcadia scans should preferably point to the issue they came from in the body of the ref as a result, etc etc...
• Someone should montage the new characters together into one image. This article is going to have serious problems with GA and beyond if it has too many fair-use images. :\
• Could probably use a copyedit by now.
• The following needs mention and citation in the article (unless they're there and I overlooked them): english voices and the ability to turn them on or off per character, the shown optional outfits (Chun-li's dress, Blanka's safari attire), that bit about how the characters would take visible damage and Ono later came back and said it couldn't be done seems to be missing too.

Well?--Kung Fu Man (talk) 14:47, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Console-only characters

Not console-only, they'll be in every home version of the game, including the PC port. And I also think it's not "only", there's a chance that the arcade version will be updated with these characters too, tho it's not confirmed yet as I know. --TaZaR 21:13, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

There's actually nothing citable saying the PC version yet however. It's only listing the PS3 and 360 versions as far as I can tell.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 21:19, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

The original news post (that the whole dan/fei long confirmation stuff based on) from http://www.capcom-fc.com/sf4/ says "Xbox 360／PLAYSTATION3／PC version". --TaZaR 23:10, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Did Anybody Catch the Recent ANN News?

According to Anime News Network, it seems that for the first time in the Street Fighter history. That Ryu will be getting a dubbed voice actor. Over the years, he's had a seiyuu do him. Zeta Nova 18:34, 24 July 2008 (UTC).

Cammy

IGN has confirmed that Cammy is in the game. It was confirmed at Comic-Con. [2] It is not stated which make of the game she will be in, though given her popularity, I have placed her in the returning characters section. --PlasmaTwa2 07:25, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

On second thought, I moved her over to the console/home section. If the game has been released in Japan already, it remains to be seen if she is playable in that. She could be playable in the American arcade (If there is one), but right now console seems like the best bet. --PlasmaTwa2 07:44, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

It's pretty obvious that she'll be in the game, but it's still not officially confirmed by Capcom, just like Akuma and Gouken, so I think Cammy shouldn't be added until that to the article. Tho the comiccon stuff about the poll and trailer should be in, definitely. --TaZaR 19:14, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Cammy is NOT officially confirmed yet. Ono stated that she won the Capcom-Unity poll and said he would attempt to convince his team to place her in the game, but made no guarantee that she'll actually be in the game. When she's confirmed, she'll be added, but let's not jump the gun. Jonny2x4 (talk) 20:11, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

He also said that the game already has an early version of Cammy. And the video had Cammy's storyline in it, and Ono said, they wouldn't highlight a character in a video, if they won't add it into the game. So yes, there's a slight chance for that she doesn't makes it into the game, but from what we know it's 99% sure, that Cammy's in, so let's add her back to the list. --TaZaR 16:17, 31 October 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by TaZaR (talk • contribs)

Oh, and it seems like someone deleted any mentoin of Cammy from the article. Why is that? --TaZaR 16:19, 31 October 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by TaZaR (talk • contribs)

99% sure is not enough. JuJube (talk) 17:33, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

So, so 1% is enough to remove everthing about Cammy, even that she won the poll, which was OFFICIALLY announced, and appeared on many well known gaming websites? Great, really. But anyways, she became confirmed today together with Gen. --TaZaR 18:28, 4 November 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by TaZaR (talk • contribs)

With a game like this, nothing's certain till it's in stone my friend.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 22:56, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

That's okay, and I can understand the reason of removing Cammy from the confirmed character list, but why removing every reference of her, including that she won that poll, and that they have a working verion of her at their studio (Ono mentioned that)? Why is that for? But it seems like who did it doesn't read this discussion page, so I'll will never get my answer... --TaZaR 14:43, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Console Characters

That's NOT Gouken in the end of the Ryu vs Akuma anime short. Gouken does not white hair or a ponytail. That's obviously Shen-Long or Goutetsu. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.208.56.80 (talk • contribs)

Uh, it is him. Ono even answered a question on why he would be featured in the animation like that if he wasn't playable. NeoChaosX (talk, edits) 00:40, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Gouken IS in the animation, but that's not him Shoryukening the waterfall. Uh. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.208.56.80 (talk) 00:48, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Gouken has white hair. And for the ponytail - it never occurred to you that they could've updated his character design for this game? NeoChaosX (talk, edits) 02:01, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

But Gouken doesn't have a pony-tail (at least, not obviously) in any of the other scenes in which he appears in the anime, whereas Shen-Long AND Goutetsu (who are arguably the same character) have a white pony-tail in ALL of their canonical appearances. But, yes, Gouken's hair is white in this anime, unlike most of his appearances. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.208.56.80 (talk) 03:16, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Big deal! Just because he didn't a ponytail doesn't mean he couldn't grew one afterwards. Either way, this discussion is not relevant to the article.Jonny2x4 (talk) 23:34, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Release Date?

Apparently, according to Amazon.com, SFIV will be released on Feb 3, 2009. Shouldn't this be mentioned in the article?

-Serpentine —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.161.100.189 (talk) 10:13, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

No. Stores are not reliable sources for release dates; they always give estimates to when a game may come out to drive up interest and pre-orders. Wait until Capcom officially announces a release date. NeoChaosX (talk, edits) 13:38, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Now on Gamespot the game's release date will coincide with the new movie, The Legend Of Chun-Li. Link —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.161.100.189 (talk) 11:05, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

There should be no release date for North America in the arcades yet, all the machines that have shown up in American arcades have been frakensteins so to speak, the SFIV board put in a different cabinet. The game has not yet been officially released in the country. Sam Smith UK —Preceding undated comment was added at 23:17, 12 September 2008 (UTC).

Sorry I rolled ya back. The source on the statement seems to confirm that this is indeed a trial release. Arcade cabinets are not a profitable American industry so it's not a big surprise that SF4 would be released in all Japanese head-to-heads thus far. JuJube (talk) 21:53, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Bot report : Found duplicate references !

In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :)

• "boxersagat" :
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DumZiBoT (talk) 08:00, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Akuma's Nationality

All though it is supposidely Japan and his name sounds Japanese, his wikipedia character profile says unknown so that needs to be left as the pirate flag on his conformation.Lasttiger (talk) 23:32, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• The game articles list where the character's stage is, not where they are from. I don't know about where Akuma's stage is, though. JuJube (talk) 01:26, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
• Sources i've read stated that it was unknown.Lasttiger (talk) 06:58, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

You must be reading odd sources then, as he's always been shown to be Japanese.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 07:03, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

It's true that Akuma is fairly obviously Japanese, but all official sources list his birthplace as "Unknown". JuJube (talk) 07:12, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

• I know it is obviously Japanese. But sources declare "unknown" so that is where we keep him at. It's like Raven from Tekken is obviously American

but since he is listed as unknown, that is where we keep him at. Lasttiger (talk) 19:12, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

• • Agreed. But the unknown flag icon is more appropriate than the cartoony pirate one. ^---SilentRAGE! 03:53, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
• I suppose so Lasttiger (talk) 19:18, 31 August 2008 (UTC).

Infinite combos

1Up story JAF1970 (talk) 15:12, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

I don't understand how IGN regards that as news exactly, given other true infinites are still readily known in other games (i.e. Ivy in SC4).--Kung Fu Man (talk) 15:23, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

List of voice actors

Personally I don't feel that belongs in the article...it's kinda unsightly and really something coverable by the articles and character list instead...--Kung Fu Man (talk) 23:05, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Many anime, TV shows and movies have cast lists for the main characters in their articles, why shouldn't a video game? NeoChaosX (talk, edits) 04:48, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Isn't Gouken and Sheng Long the same like Gouki and Akuma?

According to http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3170130, they are. Whitereflection (talk) 17:47, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Nope. Sheng Long was a mistaken translation by Capcom USA that EGM used for their April Fools joke. Gouken's name has always been the same regardless of region since SSF2T. NeoChaosX (talk, edits) 18:17, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Image in the infobox.

Personally, the image on the infobox should be the arcade version's original poster/pop card. For starters, the arcade version will always be the original platform in this case and the Xbox 360 (as well as the PS3 and Windows) will merely be derivative ports. Having the console cover art seems show a bit of a console-over-arcade bias. At the very least, lets wait until a finalized cover artwork is published and not one that has "Rating Pending" on the corner.Jonny2x4 (talk) 16:24, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

1. "Pop card illustration"? Are you serious? 2. WP:VG = box over posters, cards, etc. Most VG infoboxes for arcade titles show the screenshot if there's no game box, if anything, there should have been a screenshot of gameplay instead of that card anyway. Show me where a poster is used anywhere else in VG to begin with. JAF1970 (talk) 16:38, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Pop card is just a fancy arcade terminology for the poster used next to cabinets. As for articles which uses arcade posters over home version cover arts, pretty much every other Street Fighter articles besides this one (Street Fighter, Street Fighter II, Final Fight and Street Fighter III). Also Soul Edge uses the flyer/poster art, as does Tekken 2, Tekken 3 and Tekken 5: Dark Resurrection (although, some of the other articles in the same series use home version cover arts).

I feel arcade games are no different than theatrically-released films. The arcade versions are the FIRST versions of the game released, followed by whatever home versions is released (if there are any). If this article was about a popular theatrically-released film, then it would be probably seem odd to place the cover artwork of a home video version of the film and you wouldn't have any arguments. On the other hand, you seems to think its okay to replace a poster promoting an already-released arcade version with an unfinished cover artwork for a yet-to-be-released console version, as if the arcade version of the game didn't exist or didn't matter. Jonny2x4 (talk) 17:20, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm with Johnny on this one, the original version takes precedence. --erachima talk 17:50, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm also with Johnny on this one: why would we want pre-release Xbox 360 pics over official already-released arcade pics? Perhaps this discussion could be revisited once the Xbox 360 version is actually released and therefore the pic is official? --Oscarthecat (talk) 18:04, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Because it's on the OFFICIAL SITE? JAF1970 (talk) 18:22, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

The tentative status of the box art is a side issue, SFIV is not primarily a console title, it's an arcade title. Therefore it should primarily use the arcade art. --erachima talk 19:19, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

My thoughts on the matter exactly.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 02:49, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Again, "primarily an arcade title" is 1. false, because there will be far more copies of SF4 sold on home release, 2. want to check the other "primarily arcade titles" listed? For one, none of them posted a poster in the infobox. They either posted 1. a gameplay screenshot, or 2. the home release box. JAF1970 (talk) 14:03, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Um...Jonny2x4 pointed at several pages using the arcade art, by Capcom and Namco. In fact I really think SC2 should too, as the current setup is rather unsightly. Sorry guy but the consensus is against you, so please calm down.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 14:09, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Gouken home only?

Is Gouken for Home only or for arcade as well?Lasttiger (talk) 16:29, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Still waiting to hear who the time released character is today. They announced one would be and the Gouken news followed shortly afterward. Just gotta wait and see.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 17:36, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Alright, according to Capcom blog info and a youtube video now he is available in the arcade game, from the looks of it boss only at the moment. Vid.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 17:44, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

They will probably make him playable in a week or two. This game will be perfect if they just squeeze in T. Hawk And Dee Jay. They probably will add them to. Lasttiger (talk) 18:47, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

That's just speculation. In the post before the Gouken one, Ono says that the home version only has three characters so far, Fei-Long, Dan and a third character (obviously Cammy, but Ono has yet to revealed she'll be in the game to Japanese media for some reason).[3] If they add one more character, I think it'll be Alex (seeing how he's in the Tatsunoko game). Jonny2x4 (talk) 23:02, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

I dunno. It's feels odd to leave out T. Hawk and Dee Jay if Cammy and Fei Long Appear in this game. He should just do it. Every fan of SSFFII Turbo would be happy then.Lasttiger (talk) 06:29, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Not that odd when you consider T. Hawk has never really been popular and Dee Jay was American made.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 16:56, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

T. Hawk is the most forgettable character of SSFII Turbo but he's still a classic character. Dee Jay is awesome! I really just want Dee Jay to be honest If I had to pick one of the two.Lasttiger (talk) 19:18, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

English voice acting

I'm curious considering there's no source for this. Is the actual game itself going to have English voice acting (i.e: all the characters speak English during battle when they talk before battle or perform Special Moves) or is the English voice acting just for the animated cut-scenes that are going to be featured in the game? Jonny2x4 (talk) 02:03, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Cammy and Gen citation

Sorry guys, I managed not once but twice to screw the thing with the reference list. I'm a little rusty and inexperience on Wikipedia editing so could someone maybe input this link of citation for me?:

http://www.ripten.com/2008/11/04/new-street-fighter-iv-screens-cammy-and-gen-duke-it-out-with-the-rest-of-the-gang/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vgamer101 (talk • contribs) 05:02, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

We've already got a perfectly workable source for the Gen and Cammy confirmation, why replace it? NeoChaosX (talk, edits) 05:27, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Rose

I posted a sourced statement that rose is selectable, and it got removed by NeoChaosX.
My reference is this image.
http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sf4rosedf2.jpg
Please don't remove it again.
Uker (talk) 19:55, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Except that aside from that piece of media, there hasn't been any other confirmation of her appearance - no announcement from Capcom, no articles in Famitsu or other major gaming media, nothing. For all we know, that's a really well-done Photoshop, but since we don't know whether it's real or not, she shouldn't be listed. Additionally, if you had actually read that whole section you're editing, Akuma, Gouken and Seth being playable has already been mentioned so there's no need to repeat that fact. NeoChaosX (talk, edits) 20:24, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

OK, my bad on the repeating of the bosses' statement, but about the pic... Photoshop? Not on a true screenshot, but on a photo of an actual screen? A photo that BTW, is far clearer than any other available photo of the character selection screen featuring Seth, Gouken, Gouki and Akuma? Anyway, I won't edit again. I've had it. Later. Uker (talk) 20:36, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

While I don't doubt she's in there given the game's track record, it's best to wait for something really official.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 00:11, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

I won't add Rose again to the list of home exclusive characters; however, I suggest checking the following video: http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=q6xOrw6rBVs&feature=related Her face is pretty visible from 0:00 to 0:01 (only a second, I know, but YouTube has the pause button, right?). There is also another video with the same selection screen; it's a little blurred, but we can see her icon, and clearly see Fei-Long and Cammy, who weren't in game demonstrations before: http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=bF3abjzihyY So, I think she should be added back to the page. But that is just my opinion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.107.4.202 (talk) 16:51, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Restated Rose. I'd like to think that in presence of footage of a functional game that shows her in the character selection screen, you don't need a memo from Capcom, do you? Uker (talk) 19:30, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Character contrapositions?

Do you think character contrapositions are somehow worth commenting? ie: Ryu/Sagat, Chun-Li/Vega, Guile/Abel, Dhalsim/Honda, Blanka/Balrog, Bison/Viper, Sagat/Ryu, Ken/Rufus, Zangief/El Fuerte. Uker (talk) 16:38, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Unless a reliable source writes something about such a trivial detail, no. NeoChaosX (talk, edits) 17:07, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Is it Yoshinori Ono or Ono Yoshinori?

Okay, I don't want to get into an edit war with User:Uker but this is bugging me. Uker, what's your source that Yoshinori is the producer's last name and not his first? As far as I know, most Western game publications have printed Japanese names in Western order, and those same publications have printed the producers name as "Yoshinori Ono" when writing about him, which seems to indicate Ono is his last name, not Yoshinori. NeoChaosX (talk, edits) 22:08, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi there. The reason is that in eastern cultures, people's names are usually written family name first, given name last. See here. Let me know if I can further clarify on the matter. uKER (talk) 20:05, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

But as I said, most Japanese names are written in Western gaming publications as first-last (e.g., Shigeru Miyamoto, Hideo Kojima). Since the producer's name has been written as "Yoshinori Ono" in such places as Electronic Gaming Monthly/1UP.com and Edge, it should be obvious that Ono is his last name, not his first. Or has this site been misspelling the names of Miyamoto, Kojima and other Japanese figures? Do you have the kanji of Ono's full name to prove that his name is "Ono Yoshinori" and not "Yoshinori Ono", or are you just changing it around because of that rule? NeoChaosX (talk, edits) 20:16, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

You don't have to get harsh. I think I'm not being so. The kanji version I have for his name is 功統 大野, but I don't recall where I got it. I'll try to look up the name in capcom.co.jp and confirm. uKER (talk) 21:02, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Reverted to Ono. I couldn't find any mention of his name in Capcom's japanese site, but some Google searching of his surname along with 'capcom' seems to indicate that the name is indeed ONO Yoshinori (family name, given name). uKER (talk) 23:17, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Online feature

According to the official site (and the Japanese Wikipedia article), the arcade version of the game itself already has an online feature. In fact, it uses the NESYS card system. Jonny2x4 (talk) 02:40, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Timeline setting vs character roster

I've come into a dispute with user Jonny2x4 on whether the timeline setting for the game is a determinant factor to its roster.

He insists in stating that "The game is set between SF2 and SF3, thus its roster is that of SF2', plus 4 new characters" (which makes 75% of the roster from SF2).

I know there's a relationship, but it's not that SF games necessarily adopt the roster of the game they precede. At the time of its release, SF3 was a sequel to SF2 and its roster has nothing in common with that of SF2, except for Ryu and Ken.

The reason for SFIV's character selection is that SFIV was somewhat meant to be a hi-tech reedit of SF2 (I haven't had the time to look for a source). Initially, they were headed to recreating the SSF2 roster, but they finally dropped the SSF2 characters and set for SF2'. uKER (talk) 20:49, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

To be honest, I don't really care whether how the characters section is worded (just as long as we don't have any more anon users adding nonsense to the article like putting home version-only characters in the arcade roster). Anyway, Ono describes the game as a "sequel to II rather than III" and that the character roster is "II Dash with the feeling of Super X". Although he doesn't state the game's story setting is the reason for the character roster in the arcade version. Here's the Famitsu interview Jonny2x4 (talk) 02:52, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

There has to be a better way to write this:

Chronologically set between the Street Fighter II series and the Street Fighter III series, Street Fighter IV was initially meant as a return to the series' roots, ie Super Street Fighter II Turbo, which Ono considers to be "the king of Street Fighter games".

A less fanboyish one biased to a single SF game,even with OHNOES being a SFII-only scrub and all...--Kim Kusanagi (talk) 19:23, 7 December 2008 (UTC)