User talk:Ivan2007

Welcome

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Again, welcome! --Irpen

Allow me

I, Irpen, hereby award you this **Exceptional Newcomer Award** for your many productive edits and content additions to the articles related to the history of medieval Rus. Keep up the good work and thank you for your contributions. --Irpen 00:55, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:St. Volodymyr.jpg

Hi, thanks for uploading the beautiful image. Can you confirm that you are the original painter of the icon and donate this reproduction to the public domain?

The reason I am asking is that many people mistakenly upload somebody else's works and label them as their own because they did digitizing of the image or a trivial photoshopping, etc. It may cause a minor drama then the real main author is discovered.

I am asking this just to make sure as there are none or almost none so good artists among the active Wikipedians (I would say none working in my wikicorner) Alex Bakharev (talk) 02:20, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, man. I took the picture from Ukrainian wiki page of Volodymir. It is an icon from one of the cathedrals in Novgorod which makes it public domain by definition. How do I release anything to public domain and what's a wikicorner? User:Ivan2007 (talk)

I have made the minimal changes. Before the {{PD-author}} specified that you were the author of the work and released it to the public domain. I have copied the rest from the Ukrainian page. There are still questions that need to be addressed:

In what Novgorod Cathedral the fresco is located (there are more than one in Novgorod)
Some sort of assurance that the fresco is indeed of Saint Vladimir, is indeed in Novgorod and is indeed of 16th century. Wikipedias are not reliable sources, sometimes they are used by hoaxers. The original uploader to uk-wiki have not provided this information.
In future please upload free images of inter-project usablity to Commons that way once uploaded the picture can be used on all WMF projects (e.g. ru-wiki, de-wiki, en-cite, uk-news, etc.)

Please check other images you have uploaded. They should be correctly described or they would be deleted by the copyright police Alex Bakharev (talk) 04:29, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

List of Ukrainian rulers

First of all well done with the list. However I am a bit concerned by this ... Ukrainian Identity developed continuously from the time of Kievan Rus through modern times...in the pusuit of historical justice and truth. Problem is that wikipedia has a few policies one of which is Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought and Wikipedia is not a soapbox in particular what it says about using it as a piece of propaganda. Furthermore per WP:CONFLICT and WP:NEUTRALITY, there is no historical opinion that is true, so per article of Kievan Rus both Galicia-Volhynia, Novgorod Republic and Vladimir-Suzdal are given equal weight. There is little doubt about the continuity of Galicia-Volhynia in shaping modern Ukraine, just like Vladimir-Suzdal's done for Russia. However to argue that Kievan Rus is directly responsible for shaping only one, and not other is making a great assumption, which is why on the List of Russian rulers, only a link is given to the article, which is why I did the same for your list.

Now then, wrt Crimean Khanate, again, just because it was wholly/partially within modern Ukraine, does not mean that Crimean Khans were Ukrainian rulers, again we don't add the Kazan, or Astrakhan khans in the Russian rulers list.

Finally by list of any rulers, we usually appoint those who were nominally sovereigns, who had absolute power. Which is why its important not to overlap the List of national leaders of Ukraine with the list of Ukrainian rulers. Thus including Skoropadsky is perfectly normal, but certainly not Grushevsky or Petliura, since both were only leaders, not rulers. Again, Russian rulers finish at 1917.

Anyhow well done with the list, but please use the talk page in the future to settle disagreements. --Kuban Cossack (По-балакаем?) 14:07, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well first and foremost, its irrelevant what majority think, again, if you look at articles like Britannica, most would give Ukraine's origin in Kievan Rus as much weight as they will give that of Russia and Belarus. Again why privatise history just because some historians have done so. This does violate WP:NPOV, and if you look at Talk:Kievan Rus there was a huge discussion on that topic. As for Tsardom of Russia not existing, it was in fact a case that Ivan III, ruler of the then Grand Duchy of Moscow that actually began transforming Rus' into Rossiya, not least that the Byzantine influence of the fallen Empire had on him, and the third rome claim. This too is a view shared by vast majority of Russians, and numerous historians such as Nikolay Karamzin and Vasily Tatishchev also hold this view. I personally however believe that of Lev Gumilev that the last Kievan Rus died with the fall of Novgorod, and that both Vladimir-Suzdal, Galicia-Volhynia and Polotsk have only skeletal resemblence to modern Ukraine, Russia and Belarus. The former was destroyed by the Mongols, and the latter two slow Polish assimilation of Galicia and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania... --Kuban Cossack (По-балакаем?) 12:25, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well since you are keen on making it a general list my I suggest a rename to List of rulers of Ukraine, which would allow you to draw continuity from Galicia-Volhynia into modern Ukraine. However I strongly disagree with including Kievan Rus princes. Crimean Khanate in my opinion is also excessive, though I'll let others in the community decide. However what do you plan for people like Nestor Makhno? Also since you are keen to include Crimean khan's why not add the koshevoys of the Zaporozhian Sech? --Kuban Cossack (По-балакаем?) 12:25, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

On a separate note: THIS might help you a lot. Удачи! --Kuban Cossack (По-балакаем?) 15:52, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Old maps

I have stumbled on a well of old maps from the 1943 reprint of Carlton Hayes's A Political and Cultural History of Modern Europe. The copyright has 1939 on it, so it is not expired quite yet; however, I believe I can scan them and put them up with proper referencing. Please advise. --Ivan2007 (По-балакаемo?) 03:12, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I investigated this a little bit and as far as I see, most of these maps may be usable despite the 1939 date on the book. The 1930s edition you are talking about titled "A Political and Cultural History of Modern Europe" (NY, MacMillan) is a revised edition on "Political and Social History of Modern Europe" published by the same author in 1916 (also by MacMillan, NY.) The latter book because of its age is in public domain. It is available in full from google books here.

Of course the maps that were originally published in 1916 are PD even if they were reproduced in a later edition. The best way to find out for you would be to see in google books if the maps you want to use also appeared in 1916 edition. If they did, they are PD.

In addition to comparing the 1930s edition that you have and the 1916 edition available in full online, you can take a look at the review of the 1936 "Political and Cultural History of Modern Europe" book. The review was written by Harry Elmer Barnes and published in American Sociological Review (June 36), Vol. 1, Issue 3, p514-516, 3p. This 3-page review outlines in a great detail what changes were implemented between the editions. Archives of American Sociological Review are available through JSTOR and outher databases that usually require subscription. If you don't have access to subscription, feel free to ask and I will gladly email you this 3-page review. Hope this helps, --Irpen 19:05, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Olga Kurylenko

I saw you stole some pictures from my userpage, thanks I got the feeling we can get along :). Can you keep a look out at the Olga Kurylenko article, some non-acount editors try to make her French and Russian without giving any or bad references. Finally Ukraine got a nice poster board and then some bullies in the playground try to steal her and give her to there country. She clearly only mentions her Ukrainian heritage in her interviews. The Russians should finally learn Ukraine (and Georgia etc.) are not part of there country any more! People who speak Russian are Russian(?), why isn't Mozart German then? If those editors really want to do Olga a favour the should protest against the raising of Russian Gas prices in Ukraine instead of claiming only the good bits from Ukraine, I'm fat up with this ethnicity kind of thinking. Everybody from Ukraine is a Ukrainian!, people who look at ethnicity first are semi-Nazi's to me! -- Mariah-Yulia (talk) 19:58, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I gave you some advice at the bottom of my talkpage. Usually wikipedians use only 1 of the 2 users talkpage to discuss things. I wasn't sure you saw it, you can keep track of when I write an answer on my talkpage after pressing the watch button on the top of the page (just like other wiki-pages!). Maybe you knew this already, but I can't know that :))))) -- Mariah-Yulia (talk) 23:24, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cool, thanks! I wasn't actually sure about the talk pages, that's why I was posting it on other people's pages. But I would expand on your point that Everybody from Ukraine is a Ukrainian!. My ancestry for example is from Eastern Sloboda in the Voronezh oblast of Russia, but we moved later to Kiev, and I am definitely a Ukrainan since the population of this region is mainly Ukrainian. My grandpa and grandma talked Ukrainian and called themselves xoxoly. All the last names were Ukrainan. This adds more to the point how much was taken. But I can see where you are coming from, if you are a Ukrainian citizen, even if ethnically different, you are definitely a Ukrainian. It is a normal thing, here there are US-Mexicans, US-Koreans, or Canadian-Ukrainans. And it is sad that if you say in Russia that you are Russian-Ukrainan people will either laugh at you or kick your ass. -- Ivan2007 (talk) 23:36, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think you greatly exaggerate the reaction in Russia. But to the main question, the word Ukrainian has several meanings and depends on the context. That all citizens of Ukraine, regardless of their ancestry, church and native language, have a right to consider Ukraine as their country is the approach that may finally solve the divisions in the nation. Unfortunately, this view is not shared by the extremists from both sides. --Irpen 05:41, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is nice that someone as lovely as Olga Kostyantynivna agrees with us right :), actually I know a couple more Ukrainians who do. I got the feeling that especially a lot of Ukrainians of the generation(s) who mainly lived in independent Ukraine share this view (you probably know that better then me Irpen). -- Mariah-Yulia (talk) 13:45, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your user page vandal

Let me, or any admin, know if you would like your user page protected. --barneca (talk) 00:06, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I went ahead and protected for a day; again, let someone know if you'd like this to be more long-term. --barneca (talk) 01:01, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dovbush rocks

I just found your new page on the list of megalithic sites. If there is more content to it it would help. Also I looked it up in a search engine I think it might be more appropiate for the list of List Of Colossal Sculpture In Situ. If this hasn't been relocated by man it doesn't fit the criteria for the list of megaliths. Thanks

Zacherystaylor (talk) 19:38, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You know what. I think you are right. I will try to relocate it, asap, or you can do it. Thanks Ivan2007 (talk) 21:54, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Your welcome

Your welcome man, anything you need just ask me. It will be my pleasure to help you out. Remember us Ukrainians should stick together. Slava Ukraina. Shotgun pete 10:02, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Happy New Year!

File:1953 S Novym Godom.jpg

Happy New Year! (Ukrainian: З Новим Роком!, Russian: С Новым Годом!).Thanks for keeping a look out :) — Mariah-Yulia (talk) 16:13, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Happy New Year to you too. Have great and successful year. ) Ivan2007 (talk) 20:15, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Flag

Sorry about that I didn't know that the oblast adopted a new flag. A lot of people just used to add the flag when they didn't have an officially recognized one so I was just reverting it back. Well about time they got one! ddima .talk 17:28, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

no problem, man. I understand. :-)Ivan2007 (talk) 18:31, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

According to a picture by UNIAN the flag looks slightish different then the one in the Zakarpattia Oblast infobox. You can see a picture of the new flag here. Did UNIAN take the wrong picture or did you found the wrong picture :) — Mariah-Yulia (talk) 23:10, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I took the picture from the korrespondent.net website, they possibly got it wrong. Thanks for catching that :)138.88.197.66 (talk) 18:42, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]