Template talk:Disputed

Link to Dutch wiki

This page is semi-protected so I cannot edit it, however, could someone please give it a link to nl:Sjabloon:Twijfel ? Salaskan 09:47, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Add [Category:Disputed] in the template ?

By adding this category in the template, it becomes very easy to make the list of disputed pages : Category:Disputed. This would be superior to the "What Links here" method (includes a lot of undisputed article), or the search method (not real-time update of the search index), both currently used in Wikipedia:Accuracy dispute. We plan to use this method in the new Template:Todo.

I'm asking this because the template is protected, and thus I cannot change it. Pcarbonn 19:04, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I agree, but the category ought to be Category:Accuracy disputes. Also this template should use the standard <div class="boilerplate" id="disputed"> markup. --Eequor 11:40, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I'm not sure what is this standard markup: where is the documentation ? Also, are you suggesting that one category should contain both the disputed articles and the disputed statements ? My initial idea was to keep them separate ? Pcarbonn 20:50, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Yellow box

How about a yellow box around this like the one for Template:Protected? Or maybe blue, if yellow isn't fitting enough. Either way, we should have some way of making this warning more visible. -- [[User:LGagnon|LGagnon]] 02:01, Oct 24, 2004 (UTC)

I don't think it needs to be any more visible. But see also Template talk:NPOV. --Joy [shallot] 21:59, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Please add red hand

Please add the red hand logo to this template. Masterhomer 09:31, 25 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Done. Have a cookie. - Mark 09:40, 25 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Proposed box

The factual accuracy of this article is disputed.
Please see the relevant discussion on the talk page.

I agree with whoever posted that box above. Many similar messages are already standardized to this. Just one thing: I don't like the colour - but that's just my personal preference and no-one needs take any notice of it. Neonumbers 10:41, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I changed the box to the new layout. Thanks for the work -- Chris 73 Talk 23:39, Jan 19, 2005 (UTC)

I don't see what was wrong with using O RLY owl:

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The factual accuracy of this article is disputed.
Please see the relevant discussion on the talk page.

--82.139.47.117 14:04, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Disputeabout

I propose a new box Template:Disputeabout, where a brief message about the topic of the dispute can be added. Often, long articles are tagged as disputed, just because one subtopic is disputed. A brief message about the nature of the dispute would greatly help the casual user. E.g. {{Disputeabout|the number of deaths|date=March 2008}} would look like

The factual accuracy of part of this article is disputed.

The dispute is about the number of deaths.
Please see the relevant discussion on the talk page.

Comments are welcome -- Chris 73 Talk 23:49, Jan 19, 2005 (UTC)

wastes whitespace

This template seems to include a couple of blank lines above it. Can they be removed and/or can the template be made to look more like the other templates (that don't seem to waste space above)? zen master 15:38, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

change needed

In order to avoid problems listed at Wikipedia:Meta-templates considered harmful, please "subst:" this template so that it no longer directly depends on Template:Message box. -- Netoholic @ 08:04, 2005 Mar 4 (UTC)

Template:disputed/perpetual

float

This article's accuracy has long been in dispute

Template:npov/perpetual

float

This article's neutrality has long been in dispute

link to instructions in the template?

I think this template might be improved if it included instructions on how to complete the process, the way that Template:Copyvio had instructions added to it that, if you'd just added the tag, to make sure you wrote an entry at WP:CP as well. Prior to that, a lot of copyvios were being mishandled because so many people thought that once they'd slapped on the tag, they'd done their part. Right now I see the "disputed" tag being misused a lot by people who think it's what they slap on if they see anything in an article they disagree with, and that it goes on with the "dubious" tag. It might be good if they got instructed to read and make sure they've followed the instructions at Wikipedia:Accuracy dispute when they put the tag on. -- Antaeus Feldspar 03:15, 6 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Display problem

I wouldn't want to mess this up further myself, but the template isn't displaying correctly in the "Classic" skin. The stop sign is too big for the surrounding box, and the text therein as left justified (with empty space on the right). Thanks, -- Gyrofrog (talk) 13:55, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. Why isn't this template using Message_Box, though? --Zetawoof 20:03, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

section accuracy

is there a template for an accuracy issue thats restricted to a specific section and if not should i create one? Plugwash 00:44, 19 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Disputed-section. Jon513 17:17, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Choice of icon

Wouldn't Image:Circle-question.png be a more appropriate icon to summarize the message in this template, as well as the messages in {{Disputeabout}} and {{Sectfact}}? -- Denelson 83 07:39, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it is far more appropriate. The stop hand, as mentioned in regards to {{pov}}, sends the message that you shouldn't reach the article at all. Instead we should be saying that the reader should read with caution. joturn e r 22:02, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Is anyone in favor of Image:Circle-question-red.png? I belive it is a bit more appropiate than Image:Circle-question.png and far more appropiate than the stop hand. --Dom thedude 0 0 1 22:50, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Personally, I was in favour of the stophand. Disputed, unlike point of view, isn't just a question, it's trying to combat actual falsehood - a black-and-white contradiction of facts. Disputed appears on the most war-torn articles around, and this template should really catch the reader and tell them not to believe what they're reading. So, between the two, if it had to be a question mark, I'd definitely go for the red.

This template should not exist

I don't believe this template should exist. Factual accuracy is not relevant to policy. Official Wikipedia:Verifiability policy says "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. "Verifiable" in this context means that any reader should be able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source. Editors should provide a reliable source for quotations and for any material that is challenged or is likely to be challenged, or it may be removed." [1] In other words, it doesn't matter whether anything is factual or not, but whether it can be found in a reliable source. Disputing whether something is factual takes debate off on in irrelevant tangent. It doesn't matter whether anything in the article is true or factual. Operation Spooner 03:31, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Factual accuracy is extremely relevant to the credibility of the encyclopedia. Even though Wikipedia purports to be about verification and notability, verification against falsehoods only leads to ridicule and flight of users to other resources. "Building an encyclopedia" implies "Building, to the best of our ability, a factually accurate encyclopedia". --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 01:37, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Category problem

To my knowledge, use of this template is supposed to put articles into Category:Accuracy disputes, but it doesn't seem to be working. Before I go on a debugging run, anyone have any ideas why the problem may have occurred? --El on ka 10:48, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I see what's going on. Category:Accuracy disputes is tagged with __HIDDENCAT__, which means that it's not shown on member pages. Wow, learn something new every day.... --El on ka 20:57, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dispute discussion on another page

In cases where an article dispute may be discussed on another page (e.g. a Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal discussion page such as this one. At the moment this template will only forward to the talk page of the article. --Deadly∀ssassin 23:50, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Another example of this problem, which is currently in the news, is the article currently called Burma, whose title is disputed. The link from the template should go to the page Talk:Burma/Myanmar, as this subject has been split out from Talk:Burma. --207.176.159.90 (talk) 04:01, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Related template search help request

Are there any templates that permit tagging an article as not necessarily factually innacurate, but nonetheless misleading, out-of-context or not comprehensive? - particularly over-application of information that only applies to a subset of instances (not necessarily related to geogrpahy - c.f Template:Globalize.

--ZayZayEM (talk) 23:40, 15 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Language

{{editprotected}} A suggestion has been made at Template_talk:Disputed-section#Language to add "Please do not remove this message until the dispute is resolved." This would match the wording of {{POV}} and {{POV-section}}. However, it would make no sense to make the change on {{disputed-section}} and not here. Any objections to this change?--Aervanath (talk) 09:02, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Copied from Template talk:Disputed-section to centralise discussion

Shouldn't this template include language similar to Template:NPOV-section, i.e. "Please do not remove this message until the dispute is resolved", except that it should link to Wikipedia:Accuracy_dispute? Xasodfuih (talk) 08:39, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I would support the change, but I won't make it until someone else chimes in in support. I'll also post this suggestion at Template talk:Disputed, since the main template is probably used more frequently, and the two templates should have the same language.--Aervanath (talk) 08:58, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Two points:

I think these messages should be as succinct as possible.
I think disputes are often not resolved. They merely fade with time. So removing this template after no discussion has taken place for some time would be perfectly valid, even if the issues had not been resolved. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:47, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
On NPOV disputes that is sometimes the case (yet the language is there), but for accuracy, either the source(s) say or don't say what's claimed, so there's actually a stronger reason to invite people to actually solve these. Xasodfuih (talk) 10:05, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]