Talk:Deng Xiaoping

Talk:Deng Xiaoping/Archive 1

What is the source on the assasination attempts on Deng? Please give a source. Is the source online?

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I want to add this but I'm not sure if it is true (a Google search seems to support it though...): "On July 22, 1977 Deng Xiaoping was restored to power as the "Gang of Four" are expelled from the Communist Party." --mav

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I learned in China that the presidents were Mao, Deng, Jiang, and Hu, but Deng is not listed as a leader. Liu Xiaoqi is only viewed as a person that tried to take over power after Mao (a so called treasoner) -- (71.131.194.67 07:34, 17 January 2007 (UTC))

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See Wikipedia:alternate text for images. Martin 00:12, 4 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Can't you come up with something better to say? We know he is Chinese. --Jiang

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I removed the chart that referred to Mao as Deng's predecessor, and to Jiang as Deng's successor, as "Party leader." In the post-Mao period, Deng Xiaoping never held the post of Party "leadership." The chairmanship had been abolished upon the downfall of Hua Guofeng and Deng wielded power informally, having his protégés anointed as Party Secretaries. Deng was the "core" of the "second generation," while first Hu Yaobang, then Zhao Ziyang, and finally Jiang Zemin nominally held the highest Party posts. 172 03:39, 8 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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Mao was not educated in France! Colipon 19:51, 3 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Why create a temp? Just add it in! --Jiang 20:46, 20 Sep 2003 (UTC)

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This should be at least slightly reorganized somehow, though I'm not sure of the best way. His role in the Tiananmen Square protests is too well-known and significant (he played a very major role) to be hidden under a heading entitled "Institutionalization of Procedure". It should have its own heading, with discussion of the power-play between Deng and Zhao Ziyang and other related events. --Delirium 09:39, Mar 8, 2004 (UTC)

Picture

Would anyone with some spare time plz fix the largeness of Deng's picture, perhaps brightness too... Thanks. Colipon 00:39, 13 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Too many factual errors

Who wrote this article? I am reading through is and so far I have already identified a few factual errors. For example, Deng became Secretary General in 1954, not 1957.

Serious editing is needed for this article.

Please tell me more

i'm working on a school research project and since you know some good material (which i can see as you claim to be able to identify factual errors and what not), i could use a little assistance. besides, you didn't sign, so i don't know when you wrote this comment and i would not expect anyone to get back to me soon. it's yours, do whatever, but respond for the sake of other people who are also on the road to being misled--Dennisjiewenliu (talk) 22:49, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

MAJOR EXPANSION NEEDED

Can there be an article directing to Reforms, Opening up to the Outside World? (改革开放) Because that is really important. Colipon 17:14, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Ok, apart from that, which I've already raised on pages needing attention-history, but probably won't get a reply for another six months, Deng's revolutionary achievements are pretty much ignored, as are his experiences during the Cultural revolution. Colipon+(T) 21:57, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)

this article sux

it doesnt even say where he was born

reforms

My own (limited) understanding, based on a stay in Zhejiang province, near Wenzhou, is that the following also had major impacts:

• peasants could rent out their plots, and thus take up businesses instead
• the accumulated income could be used to build housing, creating whole new towns and cities
• students could enter college based on merit (standardized tests), rather than through party connections

Andrius Kulikauskas

Yes... what's your view on the article? Colipon+(T) 21:54, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

Good or Bad?

Is Deng Xiaoping good or bad?

• He is a good politician...but first a politician.Sweeper77 02:57, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

• Good or bad? The real world is not either black or white, let's not get to the same level as that idiot in the whitehouse. IMHO, Mr. Deng did a great deal of good deeds to China and Chinese people. I was born in 1977 right after the cultural revolution ended. In my 28 years of life, I have witnessed the emergence of a superpower (like it or not), I have witnessed the drastic improvement of standard of life for average Joes and Janes in China, I also have witnessed more and more freedom to Chinese people ( there are a lot to be done for sure). All these started from the time when Mr. Deng took total control of the Communist party. And from time to time Mr. Deng had to straighten the boat (his speech in 1992 etc) even after his "retirement"... He's hands down, pound for pound (he's a small guy in size), the greatest politician in the later half of the 20th century in China.. ~unsigned comment.

• Although I consider myself largely pro-Deng, it must be made clear that Deng's economic reforms, furthered by Jiang in the 1990's, had given way to the return to various social evils in China. Money is yet again of top priority. With increased materialism, China has been opened to more corruption and general societal mistrust. The urban-rural wealth gap is widening by the day. Although Deng's One-child policy managed population control, it effectively destroyed the idea of a traditional Chinese family. Many inside China criticize Deng for allowing China to be yet again subject to foreign domination, in that many of China's greatest industries, most notably electronics and automobiles, are dominated by joint-venture foreign brands instead of genuinely Chinese enterprise. Maoists criticise Deng for abolishing class struggle altogether, and accuse Deng of masking China's capitalist development with a socialist spin. Foreign critics suggest Deng's economic reforms were not up to par with set political reforms in the same time period, and often condemn his involvement in Tiananmen 1989. Whoever made that last comment was right in saying there is no real black and white, especially in history. I'm playing devil's advocate to give you the other side of the story. Colipon+(T) 04:48, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Stupid ignorant Chinese brat. So you prefer your ignorant Cultural revolution where hundreds of thousands if not a million INTELLECTUALS died? Or better yet you prefer Great Leap BACKWARD where 20 million Chinese died of hunger. Study more Chinese brat and maybe you'll learn to educate yourself more. Deng is the greatest thing that ever happened to modern China.

Reforms and Opening Up

Should be create an article about GaigeKaifang? Colipon+(T) 02:30, 5 February 2006 (UTC) This Is bUllshit it dosent said what the hell he was doing and didnt talk shit of he and mao zedong

Vice premier?

Did Deng ever hold the office of Vice Premier, or any other similar offices? — Instantnood 08:29, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

He did. That was his official post when Zhou Enlai was incapacitated. Colipon+(T) 04:38, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

He was rehabilitated and installed as a Vice Premier in late March 1973. Cripipper 09:27, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Deng and Tibet

The statement about Deng helping the "annexation" of Tibet is POV, as Chinese claims to the place predate Deng by centuries. If someone knows more detail about what Deng did in relation to Tibet, I'd appreciate it if the facts could be added there. Thanks. Ngchen 16:31, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

As an amateur historian I must say that both China and Tibet have valid arguments. The "Communist Takeover of Tibet" is by strict definition, a continuation of rule from the ROC, but was seen as an invasion because the PLA physically marched into Tibet. Check any legitimate Republic of China map today and it will continue to lay claim to Tibet (and Mongolia, in fact). Where Tibet wins the argument is that historically, many suzerains of China have achieved indepedence once a country deems it unecessary to need China's "protection", we see this with Korea and Vietnam. The Communist government simply isn't allowing the Tibetan people the rights to have this choice.

Deng Xiaoping was the leader of the military region in control of Tibet and Sichuan at the time, and therefore was instrumental in the PLA entry into Tibet, as well as gathering support from the Panchen Lama. Colipon+(T) 04:30, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Will someone come and edit Deng's early career, it's in such a degrading state. Colipon+(T) 04:19, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

pov issues

A lot of the phrasing in this article is either pov-laden or not in encyclopedic tone. The trivia section, like all trivia sections on WP, should have what relevant info there is merged into the article, the rest gutted. --Improv 00:03, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Could you specify which parts you'd like to see changed? It might speed up the process. Colipon+(T) 04:35, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Early career

I undid the revision to his age at which he travelled to France. A little bit of math, assuming that his birthday given is correct, shows it to be obviously 15. But when he arrived in France is unclear. The article here lists it as October, but the featured article in Spanish lists it as November. Since I don't know the correct figure, I've tagged it for the time being.Ngchen 22:51, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

small correction

A couple of words removed from the section on Deng's re-emergence for reasons of logical inconsistency. Radchenk (talk) 07:33, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Why are his personal life and relationships in the Childhood section?

pretty unorthodox biography in that case, don't you think? my point is not in any way new to this talk page: THIS ARTICLE NEEDS SOME SERIOUS EDITING

    sorry, cause unlike the others with the same sentiment, i can't back it up--Dennisjiewenliu (talk) 22:56, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Why is his butt-buddy personal relationship with Fred Thompson missing?

Deng's relationship with Thompson is a major factor in why over 100,000 jobs were directly lost from Kentucky, with the help of Thompson, and sent directly to China. When Deng came to the USA in the late 90's, he made a special visit for a PRIVATE dinner at the home of the Thompsons, and right after that almost 30,000 Kentucky jobs suddenly went to China. Just one more example of Thompson's butt-buddy relationship with the Communist Chinese. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.41.19.246 (talk) 05:05, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

If what you claim is true, then the numbers are definitely not limited to Kentucky alone. Colipon+(T) 16:52, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

How are we supposed to know that is not

1) Fiction 2) Just a coincidence of globalization

Oh, and it would be great if you could leave out unconstructive phrases like "butt-buddy" in your posts so we can have a level-headed discussion in here. Thanks. 134.121.247.116 (talk) 23:51, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Deng held multiple state/party positions

In the Re-emergence section, it states that "Prior to Mao's death, the only official position he held was that of Executive Vice-Premier of the State Council."

This is not correct. According to Richard Baum's "Burying Mao: Chinese Politics in the Age of Deng Xiaoping" (p. 46), at the Third Plenary Session of the 10th Central Committee (July 1977), "Deng was restored to all FOUR posts from which he had be removed in April 1976: CCP Vice Chairman, MAC Vice Chairman, First Deputy Premier and PLA Chief of Staff."

In terms of when Deng was appointed to these four positions, the same source (p. 29) quotes, "After spending seven years in Cultural Revolution ignominy, Deng Xiaoping was rehabilitated and restored to favor at the Tenth Party Congress in 1973...Deng was elevated to the concurrent posts of vice-chairman of the party's Military Affairs Commission and vice-premier of the State Council. In January 1975 he was also named PLA chief of staff and vice-chairman of the party Central Committee."

Finally, Deng was stripped of all four posts at an April 7th 1976 Politburo meeting following the first Tiananmen Incident. Page 36 of the same source states, "...Central Document No 10...condemned Deng Xiaoping's recent behavior as an "antagonistic contradition," and ordered Deng's immediate dismissal from all official posts inside and outside the party." 122.26.104.177 (talk) 14:10, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Image:Shenzhen.Statue.Deng Xiaoping.jpg

Image:Shenzhen.Statue.Deng Xiaoping.jpg, with the caption "Statue of Deng at Shenzhen" has a partial picture of some guys' head in with the statue-it looks embarrasing. If someone with an account could fix it, that would be great. 134.121.247.116 (talk) 23:58, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Role in the Tiananmen Square protests

Are the number of citations already enough to remove the disclaimer? I read it and I found the number of citations adequate. Thoughts? If no one objects, I will remove the disclaimer in a week. Thanks, Editor br (talk) 02:49, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

I think Deng is not a good man —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.56.11.66 (talk) 23:46, 23 December 2008 (UTC)