Talk:Jon Stewart

More Vandalism

The words "JON IS SEXY" appear in the first line of the Background section, yet do not show on the editable content page. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable than I could fix this? User: Franklooper Some uh jerk said he died on july 23 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.49.178.120 (talk) 22:57, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Big Daddy

Stewart's killings in the movie Big Daddy was far more significant than his role in Half Baked.

Perhaps but the movie Half-baked is arguably more significant than Big Daddy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.123.79.163 (talk) 03:31, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Comedy Central

This page mentions that he hosted a show in 1989 for Comedy Central. Comedy Central's article says it was started in 1991. Could someone correct this ambiguity?

It was most likely Comedy Central who was correct. If you decide to fix it do some searching in Google or Yahoo! and see what results you get. Black Kat 1 August, 21:03 (UTC)

no mention of previous films???

No offense but hes been in more than just the daily show [albiet minor roles]

Like the enhancment smoker in "half baked"?

Despite the obvious sarcasm, YES.. any role you dumbfuck

cgl (personal background)

what is the cgl foundation? Under personal background the article says they urged him to quit smoking. Can you link it to the cgl wiki page, if one exists?

Most Trusted Name in Fake News?

I thought this was a joke title that Comedy Central gave him in promotional materials for the show. I don't think it's fair to say that he has "renown" for it.

Except that he IS renown for it.

A-class

If this article is already A-class, why put a failed GA banner?

External link to ZotFish?

Hi, I was wondering if it would be appropriate for someone to add an external link to the ZotFish page for Jon Stewart?. I believe it's of genuine interest to readers, but I want to make sure I follow Wikipedia policy and not post it myself -- more info on the site can be found at Mashable. - Zotman (talk) 03:50, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

The site violates WP:ELNO, WP:NOT#REPOSITORY, and does not enhance the article. It should not be added. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 15:27, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Bagels

Jon Stewart is known to enjoy a garlic bagel with a shmear on Sundays . I dont know why he puts the shmear on Sunday and not on the bagel. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Murcia fluent (talk • contribs) 06:29, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Critics

Does the statement "critics say Stewart benefits from a double standard: he critiques other news shows from the safe, removed position of his "fake news" desk" really belong in the opening paragraphs? Also, the first link goes to a transcript of the Crossfire appearance, which is discussed in-depth later in the article, and the other goes to a single article. Does one article count as "critics"? The next statement says "despite this and other criticisms" and links an article which says basically the same thing as the other one. Should these be changed? Fearing (talk) 00:41, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

His Age

1962 would make him er... 46 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kitoha (talk • contribs) 11:38, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, in November.--Loodog (talk) 12:57, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Marijuana and Tobacco Use

Even if the following information is true, does it really belong in this entry?

He admits to having smoked heavy amounts of marijuana in college and claims that he was "miserable" there. On the September 14, 2006 edition of The Daily Show, he said that he started smoking cigarettes when he was age fifteen (he has since quit). He jokingly said, "If a camel can do it, who am I not to?"

Mwltruffaut (talk) 16:58, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it's very relevant to who he is and who he was, but it does need to be sourced as per WP:BLP.--Loodog (talk) 17:40, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

I can't find any source for marijuana usage or the camel quote so I removed them.--Loodog (talk) 17:43, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree with your decision to remove the material. However, I don't agree with your decision not to qualify your assertion that Stewart's marijuana or cigarette usage is "very relevant to who he is and was." I don't believe there is any way for you or anyone else to prove such a statement.--Mwltruffaut (talk) 07:01, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Marriage and Pets

MARRIAGE
Should we really include information on how Stewart proposed?

Stewart married long-time girlfriend Tracey McShane, a veterinary technician, in July 2000. On the April 23, 2002 episode of The Daily Show, Stewart stated that he had been married "almost eighteen months". On June 19, 2001, Stewart and his wife filed a joint name change application and legally changed both of their last names to "Stewart". He proposed to her through a personalized crossword puzzle created with the help of Will Shortz, the crossword editor at The New York Times. The couple had their first child, Nathan Thomas Stewart (named after Stewart's grandfather) on July 3, 2004. Their second child, a daughter, Maggie Rose Stewart, was born on February 4, 2006.

I suggest we change the above to the following:

Stewart married long-time girlfriend Tracey McShane, a veterinary technician, in July 2000. On June 19, 2001, Stewart and his wife filed a joint name change application and legally changed both of their last names to "Stewart". The couple had their first child, Nathan Thomas Stewart (named after Stewart's grandfather) on July 3, 2004. Their second child, a daughter, Maggie Rose Stewart, was born on February 4, 2006.

Mwltruffaut (talk) 17:38, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Absolutely. Marriage being kind of slightly a major event in someone's life and all...--Loodog (talk) 17:41, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Loodog, what does it mean for something to be "kind of a slightly major event"? If by "kind of slightly major," you mean, "noteworthy," I agree with you. Though, I should point out that my suggestion was not to excise all information about Stewart's marriage, only the manner in which he proposed. That Stewart proposed via crossword is certainly interesting, but does it belong in an encyclopedia? If so, why don't we include the place and time of the wedding, all of the guests that were present, what everyone wore, etc.?--Mwltruffaut (talk) 06:35, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

I was going for ironic understatement. The thing about Stewart is he's a really private guy so no one really knows much about his personal life. As for including the guest list and when the marriage was, No one knows when the marriage was so you needn't make such a slippery slope out of it. The fact that his proposal was so unique only underscores the notability to the person.--Loodog (talk) 14:39, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Stewart hosts a publicly broadcast television show. I think by most standards that makes him not, as you put it, a "really private guy." In interviews with Charlie Rose, Oprah Winfrey, and Larry King, Stewart has been very forthright about his personal life. I did not mean to, as you put it, "make such a slippery slope" out of Stewart's marriage proposal. I simply thought, and still think, that the manner in which he proposed represents trivia. The last I checked, Wikipedia contributors are supposed to avoid including trivia in articles.--Mwltruffaut (talk) 07:08, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Marriage date, "long-time girlfriend," and McShane's occupation
The current article states, "Stewart married long-time girlfriend Tracey McShane, a veterinary technician, in July 2000. On the April 23, 2002 episode of The Daily Show, Stewart stated that he had been married 'almost eighteen months'."
I just did a bit of math and it seems that April 23, 2002 minus "almost eighteen months" equals almost October 23, 2000. In his August 15, 2001 appearance on Charlie Rose, Stewart says, "We've been married about a year and a half." August 15, 2001 minus "about a year and a half" equals about February 15, 2000. If I do some more math and subtract August 15, 2001 from April 23, 2002, I get eight months, eight days. That means that, if the current information in the Wikipedia article is accurate, Stewart gave roughly the same answer on occasions roughly eight months apart. What seems clear to me now is that Stewart and McShane were married between February and October of 2000.
I propose changing "long-time girlfriend" to the less vague "four years" we get by subtracting 1996 from 2000 per the AskMen.com article cited below.
Last, I can't find any credible-looking source for what McShane's occupation is. I therefore propose that we change the two sentences to this:
"Stewart married Tracey McShane, his girlfriend of roughly four years, in 2000. The couple met on a blind date set up by a production assistant on Stewart's film Wishful Thinking.
I have included what I hope would be sufficient citations as well.--Mwltruffaut (talk) 20:12, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

On the Wednesday, April 12, 2000 episode of The Daily Show, Jon Stewart tells Patrick Stewart that he (Jon Stewart) has a fiancée. Patrick Stewart lets slip that he is meeting with Jon Stewart on a Monday. It may be, then, that this episode was filmed on Monday, April 10, 2000. On the Monday, May 15, 2000 episode of The Daily Show, Jon Stewart tells Tracey Ullman that he is married. Unless Jon Stewart was joking, this means he was likely married between Monday, April 10, 2000 and Monday, May 15, 2000.--Mwltruffaut (talk) 06:53, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

PETS
"They also have a cat named Stanley and two bull terriers, Monkey and Shamsky (named after Art Shamsky)."
There is no source for this. Also, it's about Stewart's pets. I suggest we excise it.
Mwltruffaut (talk) 17:38, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

The Daily Show - Stewart's Appearance on The O'Reilly Factor

I propose that we move this information to a different section of the article. The information is preceded by a general explanation of the show. It is presented to the reader as though the reader should already be aware that The Daily Show has been accused of political bias.

Additionally, I propose excising "meaning that he was uncomfortable talking without hearing the audience laugh."
In the O'Reilly interview, Stewart says he is, "very uncomfortable going more than a couple of minutes without a laugh." So, why do we need a Wikipedia contributor telling us the "meaning" of what Stewart said?
I propose that we move this after the section regarding McCain's scheduled appearance at Liberty University and make it look like this:

In an interview on The O'Reilly Factor, Bill O'Reilly asked Stewart, "Do you think that Kerry does himself any good talking to you, because I think most of your audience [is] going to vote for him anyway, right?" Stewart responded, "We don't have an agenda of influence." O'Reilly continued, "...your target audience is younger, left-leaning. So, you have to play to the choir sometimes." Stewart responded, "I don't know if it's left-leaning." O'Reilly later asked Stewart, "What do you want the audience to get out of your discussion with Kerry? Just yucks, or anything else?" Stewart responded, "I'm very uncomfortable going more than a couple of minutes without a laugh, because the same weakness that drove me into comedy also informs my show."

--Mwltruffaut (talk) 07:50, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I missed it when Stewart says that line. I only recalled O'Reilly interpretting by saying that. I think it'd be best to include all of "I'm very uncomfortable going more than a couple of minutes without a laugh, because the same weakness, same neediness, what you call 'neuroses' that drove me into comedy also informs my show."--Loodog (talk) 14:34, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Political Identification

I'm not registered with Wikipedia or anything, but I checked this article tonight after watching Obama on The Daily Show and saw something that obviously needs to be fixed. I had remembered reading somewhere that Stewart had identified himself as a "socialist or independent" but I couldn't find it on the Wiki page; only that he identifies himself as an independent. The citation of that is a CNN transcript from him on Larry King in 2000 where Stewart says, "I think I would say I'm more of a socialist or an independent." The citation is clearly hiding the "socialist" part of that quote. It should be changed back.

Where is the transcript you refer to? Such a change to the article would need to reliably sourced.--JayJasper (talk) 15:12, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• The transcript he referred to is currently citation #26 [1]. It's a little vague; Larry calls Jon a Dem, Jon suggests he would call himself a socialist or independent. I don't see a problem expanding the statement in the article; I mean, it's not like 'socialist' is a dirty work or anything. DP76764 15:55, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

statement on McCain and Gore

In an interview with weekly standard editor Bill Kristol in the Daily show of 30 Oct 2008, Stewart mentioned that he had voted for McCain in 2000 if he had run against Gore. I find this interesting as Stewart is often described as a liberal and I think we should start a section political positions --Derbeobachter (talk) 00:51, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

McCain has changed quite a bit over the past eight years. During the 2000 Republican primary race McCain won the support of many independents and even some Democrats thanks to his centrist positions. Needless to say, he did not win the nomination. Since then, he has grown more and more conservative; quite simply, McCain isn't the politician he once was. In my opinion (a common one), he realized that he would never win the nomination without gaining more support among the far-right, and this is the reason for the change. Regardless the fact that Stewart theoretically would have supported a Republican if said Republican had been in the race is a bit trivial, IMHO. Maybe there could be a one line mention of this in the article, but it really doesn't have any great impact on Stewart's politics in the big picture. As far as starting a "Political positions" section, I don't object to that - we just need to keep this statement in perspective. faithless (^speak) 01:06, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Jewish roots

Why specify that Stewart was born to a Jewish family? If it is necessary, why isn't everyone's ethnicity specified (e.g. born into a [Black/White/Jewish/mixed/etc.] family)? 129.71.73.243 (talk) 17:46, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

A person's ethnic background usually is discussed. If you come across one that doesn't, feel free to add that information (provided, of course, that it is properly sourced). faithless (^speak) 23:29, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

He makes numerous references to his background in his comedy, so it's particularly relevant for this person, Tom B (talk) 10:50, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Military?

Why is this article in the category Jewish Americans in the military? Asing89 (talk) 21:14, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Looks like vandalims/joke. I removed it. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 21:50, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Why is Lewis Black named in the influenced section?

Just because he is on his show every now and then doesn't mean Black was influenced by the man. Either link a quote where he states it or remove it, please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Muisee (talk • contribs) 05:36, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

-I took it out myself, if there is no quote it should stay removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Muisee (talk • contribs) 03:59, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

CNBC episode

Is the CNBC issue noteworthy enough to be on the page? Stewart's show is based on satire of political and economic events. This is just one more in a long line "controversies" that are the point of his show. Perhaps it is more noteworthy than other episodes because it attracted better ratings? Closetindex (talk) 01:24, 22 March 2009 (UTC)closetindex

Yes. Yes, but 'better ratings' trivializes it. Some time will need pass so editors can get a better historical perspective on Stewart's criticism of business news channels. SultrySuzie (talk) 01:42, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Removing Jon's Chiefdom

I know that it sounds stupid, but as President of Liberia, Ellen-Johnson Sirleaf has the power to declare Jon a Chief, it's like Knighting in the UK. Why was it taken off? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.152.236.197 (talk) 20:25, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Maybe if you find a reliable source discussing it, it could be included. DP76764 (Talk) 21:35, 24 April 2009 (UTC)