Talk:Liancourt Rocks
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I would do this on my own, but given the nature of this page I don't want to start any shooting. A believe a portion of the lead should be written to say "In 1952 the president of South Korea..." or "In 1952, South Korean President..." He was president at the time, not the former president. InspectorSands (talk) 00:21, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
- In 1952, former president of South Korea, Syngman Rhee, declared Liancourt Rocks as Korean territory in establishing the Syngman Rhee Line.
- this introduction is a heavy Japanese side pov.
- it looks like a korea first occupied island since 1952. However,Korea state that island is the Korean territory since 512.[1]
- And its reference source from Japanese goverment "mofa.go.jp". so its intro description is not a neutral point of view. Cherry Blossom OK (talk) 21:49, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
- I made some changes to the lead to make it read better and hit "save" before completing the edit summary.InspectorSands (talk) 03:41, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
- I agree with InspectorSands's current edit. Cherry Blossom OK (talk) 06:40, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
- This dispute information belongs in the Liancourt Rocks dispute article, not here. I'm sure someone can come up with a lead which doesn't mention anything about the claims made by either side in this dispute. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 03:48, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
- Japan claim that South Korea goverment controlled this island since 1952.[2]
- According to Japanese side claim, Korea did not controlled this island before 1952.
- On the contrary, Korea (Both North and South) Korea state that Korea adminstrated this island since 512 AD.[3]
- "The GHQ transferred Dokdo to the US Military Base in Korea on January 29, 1946 by SCAPIN #677 and returned Dokdo and all other territories of Korea to the Republic of Korea on August 15, 1948 when Korea became independent from Japan."[4]
- this is another evidence that Korea controlled Dokdo/Takeshima since 1946. At leaset, They controlled this island before 1952. so, previous edit was wrong. Cherry Blossom OK (talk) 06:40, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
- I made some changes to the lead to make it read better and hit "save" before completing the edit summary.InspectorSands (talk) 03:41, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
I propose to replace the sentences after "Soverignty over the islets ..." with the following:
- Sovereignty over the islets is disputed between Japan and South Korea.[1] The islets have been administered by Korea since South Korean President Syngman Rhee declared the Syngman Rhee Line in 1952. South Korea’s Coast Guard has been stationed there since July 1954. [2]--Dwy (talk) 04:29, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks for your effort. However, This edit tone looks as a Korea was not controlled Dokdo/Takeshima before 1952. I think this sentence need include in intro. "Korea state that island has been Korean territory since 512"
- Japan claim that Korea controlled Dokdo/Takeshima since 1952.
- Korea claim that Korea controlled Dokdo/Takeshima since 512. Cherry Blossom OK (talk) 06:40, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks for your effort. However, This edit tone looks as a Korea was not controlled Dokdo/Takeshima before 1952. I think this sentence need include in intro. "Korea state that island has been Korean territory since 512"
- Claims and statements by the two countries generally do not belong here, but to the "Liancourt Rocks dispute" article. If you don't like the tone of my proposal, how about this?
- Sovereignty over the islets is disputed between Japan and South Korea.[3] The islets are currently administered by Korea, with its Coast Guard stationed there. [2]--Dwy (talk) 07:24, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
- not bad. Cherry Blossom OK (talk) 07:44, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
- The link should not be that long. I recommend linking only the word "disputed" to the Liancourt Rocks dispute article. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 08:44, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
- At least, reader must know which side "govern" island. Cherry Blossom OK (talk) 09:02, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
- I implemented the proposed change, as amended per Nihonjoe's recommendation. If anyone is unhappy with the edit, please feel free to continue the discussion here, with or without reverting it back.--Dwy (talk) 11:09, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
- good. i agree with current edit. Cherry Blossom OK (talk) 18:42, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
- I implemented the proposed change, as amended per Nihonjoe's recommendation. If anyone is unhappy with the edit, please feel free to continue the discussion here, with or without reverting it back.--Dwy (talk) 11:09, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
- At least, reader must know which side "govern" island. Cherry Blossom OK (talk) 09:02, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
- The link should not be that long. I recommend linking only the word "disputed" to the Liancourt Rocks dispute article. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 08:44, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
- not bad. Cherry Blossom OK (talk) 07:44, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
- Sovereignty over the islets is disputed between Japan and South Korea.[3] The islets are currently administered by Korea, with its Coast Guard stationed there. [2]--Dwy (talk) 07:24, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
- Claims and statements by the two countries generally do not belong here, but to the "Liancourt Rocks dispute" article. If you don't like the tone of my proposal, how about this?
Fixed dead links
I changed several dead links. Korea.net and truthofdokdo.or.kr links are dead. Cherry Blossom OK (talk) 19:32, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Tour Price Needs Fixing
I was just right by this island and tour no longer cost any where near 350,000 won 40-50 might be more acurate but I'm not completely sure. Iamdanthemanstan (talk) 14:19, 17 June 2009 (UTC) i agree the sentence~!!!!!
- ^ Charles Scanlon "South Koreans vent fury at Japan" BBC Online, 18 March 2005
- ^ a b "Liancourt Rocks / Takeshima / Dokdo / Tokto", Globalsecurity
- ^ Charles Scanlon "South Koreans vent fury at Japan" BBC Online, 18 March 2005