Talk:Blue Dragon (video game)

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Plot

I didnt go to specific into details of the plot because I have yet to beet the game(I'm on the thrid disk), if anyone has completed the game, please feel free to expand the plot(and remember to add refs).Gears Of War 12:18, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Yet to beet the game? Did you at least radish it? ;) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.226.210.33 (talk) 02:17, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Hints on writing a good reception section

Read Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Newsletter/20080709 and read it well. Here's how I generally do it; you might find this helpful.

Go by category rather than by reviewer. In other words, check what all the reviewers said about gameplay/graphics/sound/plot/whatever other criteria there is. Find some common themes in these comments, and find some outliers (eg. A, B, and C loved the graphics because X, but D hated it because Y).

A good thing to end with is how reviewers recommend the game; do they say everyone should buy it? Nobody should? This or that age group should? This can say a lot about the game and it also is a nice way to end your article, since reception sections are usually last.

I need sleep. If you do some more expansion on the reception section I'll copyedit it tomorrow. —Giggy 15:02, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments, Giggy. I'd help out making the article more comprehensive in reception and all that, but as I have not played the game and probably never will (too poor to buy an Xbox 360), I really can't do anything else for this article. I'll let Gears of War take it from here. The Prince (talk) 15:13, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Suprised 3x DVD is glossed over

Coming on 3x DVD discs, shouldn't this be mentioned somewhere... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.174.171.21 (talk) 07:33, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

It isn't glossed over, it says it in the data box on the right. "Media 3 DVD-DL" Unless some notable video game reviewer made a big fuss about this, there is no need to put anything about it down. mcnichoj (talk) 01:26, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

And actually, the lead-in says literally "Blue Dragon is the first Xbox 360 title to make use of three disks". --Slordak (talk) 16:06, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Euro Cover?

Unless someone can give me a good reason as to why the European cover is being used, I will soon be replacing it with the US cover as that is the dominant cover for ALL games released in multiple regions. mcnichoj (talk) 01:23, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Yea pretty stupid, yet on other media topics the image must have the US regions image and none other. Some people really don't make any sense, and dive into the giant ocean called Hypocrisy. Killa Koz (talk) 07:39, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

No other media topics are like that either. It should be the first release cover, not US-centric. Really, the article should be using the Japanese cover, but it is currently using the European one because that was the FIRST English release, even if it is only by a few days. It could also use the cover for the highest selling release, which is mostly likely the Japanese since it had nearly a year to sell copies before the English releases. This is per the Video Games guidelines. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 07:41, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

It's stupid things like that why the world doesn't like America... --Kurtle (talk) 09:27, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Blue Dragon (anime)

The "Manga and anime" section says the TV show "ignored most of the game's plot". Is this true? 'Cause if it is, there should no problem with having a separate article on the anime.--Nohansen (talk) 05:29, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

I think a more accurate question is, is the plot of the Blue Dragon anime or manga significantly different from the game? If its just "left out side stories or parts of the game story", I don't think that's enough to justify any kind of split. Tales of the Abyss does that too, but doesn't mean the anime is significantly different from the series, just doesn't include the "entire" plot. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 05:35, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

What she said. Now, let us allow the people who've actually played the game and seen the show (read: not Nohansen and Collectonian) discuss the issue.--Nohansen (talk) 05:42, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

I think it might be a good idea to have a seperate Blue Dragon page for the anime. The reason I think this should happen because the anime is very different from the game. there are things mentioned in the anime that are not mentioned in the game. The very reason I wanted to create a new Blue Dragon page in the first place because I feel that the anime and manga section needs work and badly. There are fans who would want to see this happen and i'm not the only one. Most of the game's plot is different from the anime version. For example, in the game, the main characters meet each other way later and in different circumstances, while in the anime it is entirely different. I'm a huge Blue Dragon fan and i'm not the type of person to just go off creating a useless article, I thought this ahead before even trying to create it.DranzerX13 (talk) 07:21, 29 December 2008 (UTC).

This isn't a fansite. What determines if they should be split is significant differences, not relatively minor changes. Can you be more specific in the changes made between the anime and the game. Is it the same basic overall story, or is the entire thing different? Minor changes such as when people meet is not significant enough to warrant a new article. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 07:32, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

I know that this is not a fansite. There are major differences between the game and anime plot, but although the characters are the same. Almost the whole game itself is different except for the characters which are the same. The majority of the plot such as in the game where a landshark terrorizes Talta village. The landshark was created by Nene, the ruler of Grankingdom. Now in the anime the main villain may be the same as in the game except that his whole plot is different in the anime than in the game. Nene's plan's and motives are way different in the game than in the anime.

1. in the video game Jiro went to school with Shu and Kluke and have known each other for quite a long time. In the anime Shu and Kluke didn't even know Jiro at the beginning. When Jiro first showed up in the anime he knew nothing about Shu or Kluke. Jiro and Zola were traveling together for quite some time before coming to Talta village.

2. in the video game Zola doesn't appear till much later. She is a professional soldier for the king of Jibral, but she only joined the party with Shu and the others because the king ordered her to do so. She didn't even know Jiro at the time. While in the anime when Zola first appears she and Jiro are traveling together and have known each other for quite some time before coming to Talta village.

3. A major part of the anime "The book of the beginning" and the "Seven soldiers of light" weren't even mentioned or seen in the game. Those two elements of the anime are a huge part of the story in the anime.

4. Characters that play a major role in the series such as Bouquet, Conrad, Delphinium, General Logi are anime only characters and not mentioned, seen or heard in the game at all.

5. What makes both the game and anime separate from each other is most of the characters have a different background from both the game and the anime.DranzerX13 (talk) 08:50, 29 December 2008 (UTC)!

the Japanese wikipedia has a seperate page for the Blue Dragon anime. so if that does then why not the US site as well? both game and anime plots are completely different from one another.

reference: http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/BLUE_DRAGON_(%E3%82%A2%E3%83%8B%E3%83%A1)DranzerX13 (talk) 08:58, 29 December 2008 (UTC)!

We are not a mirror of the Japanese Wikipedia, nor do we do something just because they do it. Really, I don't see that huge a difference beyond the changes in how characters meet. It isn't that much different from the FMoS anime and manga, which are easily covered in both articles. The anime episode list already covers the differences in the story line, and the differences in the characters is not so insanely different that they can not (and would not be) covered in the existing character list. As such, I'm still seeing no real reason to have these separate. Blue Dragon Ral Grad is separate as it has a completely different cast of characters and completely different story. I don't see the differences here as being significant enough to need yet another article that really ends up repeating most of what this article has. And please be more careful in your edits. In one of your responses here, you removed all of the contents of this page about your remarks, which is not appropriate. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 09:03, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

What if there are fans who want to read about the anime version character profiles than the game? Blue dragon characters section really needs work. Each character having their own page with their profile information would be much better. I did create one with Shu but it is still incomplete. about removing those remarks, I didn't realize that I did that, sorry. From what i'm reading on your comments, you act as if you are the only one who has say around here. There are other admins too, ya know. let's all have a vote to whether there should be an anime page or not. the highest number of votes win. I will go to some Blue Dragon forums and paste a link here to get more voters if that helps.DranzerX13 (talk) 09:17, 29 December 2008 (UTC).

Have you played the game? Have you seen the anime? I know there will be many people who will agree that the Blue Dragon wiki needs an anime page as well. The storyline is completely different than that of the anime ther than the characters are the same.

Have you read the Bleach wiki? what about the Naruto wiki? they have detailed character pages for each character and looks really nice. The anime page looks wonderful on both of them, so I don't see why you are so bent on there not being a Blue Dragon anime page. I guarantee many Blue Dragon fans will agree with me on this one.DranzerX13 (talk) 09:25, 29 December 2008 (UTC)!

Even if the anime were split from the game, the characters would be all in the same list. That would not be split at all, period. No one here is an admin at all, so not sure who you are talking about, nor did I say I was the only one who got to choose. This is a discussion, so please stop making such pointless side remarks and WP:AGF. I am speaking from my editing experience (which you obviously lack), my knowledge of the relevant guidelines and policies (something else you lack), my experience in crafting GOOD articles rather than fansites (again, something you have no experience/knowledge with) and my experiences with other series which have much greater differences yet still are easily and well covered in a single article. Also, Wikipedia does NOT work on voting (see WP:NOTAVOTE) but by WP:CONSENSUS based on existing policies and guidelines. Calling for "support" from other websites will do nothing but cause the entire discussion to stop. Period. You seem to have no knowledge of how Wikipedia works at all, which you really need before you go around arguing a case or making accusations. I presume by Bleach wiki and Naruto wiki you are refering to their ARTICLES (they are not separate wikis), an dyes, I not only have read them, but I'm an active editor on both. They do not have anime pages, there is an article on the Bleach franchise, focusing primarily on the manga (primary work), with anime and other adaption differences noted. Ditto Naruto, and almost every other high quality anime/manga article. But you didn't even notice seem to notice that...-- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 09:37, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

if Collectonian is not an admin then she had no right to ban me or even delete the article I created in the first place.DranzerX13 (talk) 09:44, 29 December 2008 (UTC).

You're right, I can't ban you nor did I delete any articles. Admins deleted the articles and an admin blocked you when you continued to violate Wikipedia's guidelines and policies. If you continued acting uncivilly, making threats, and going against consensus, you will be blocked again because you will be reported to administrators again. What fans think is irrelevant, it is what the consensus of Wikipedia as a whole says. Again, this is not a fansite. I strongly suggest you go read some of Wikipedia's policies and guidelines before you continue along this line. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 09:47, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

umm if Bleach has both a main page (anime/manga) and its own video game page for each game then I can have one for Blue Dragon as well. if none of you are admins you have no right to delete my article that I created. I'm spending hours of my free time just to make this article, so if you guys are not admins and keep doing this to me i'll report you to wiki for deleting whole articles you had no right to remove. Unless an admin removed it then yeah that's different.

I removed a few of my comments and am going to place them in my user talk page. Anyways just so everyone will be happy I will add the anime info and that other stuff on the main page so that way you admins can't be mean to me or delete the page.DranzerX13 (talk) 10:47, 29 December 2008 (UTC).

I apologize if I've started trouble, but I have an idea that will solve everything and that will also make even the admins happy. no fights, no bashing or any of that. All I want is for things to go well. Here's my solution. I just redid the Blue Dragon main page to where both the video game, anime/manga will all fit. Check it! hope it's good. ^__^ again I apologize.DranzerX13 (talk) 11:26, 29 December 2008 (UTC).

No, you can't. First, read WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. In reality, Bleach's video games will likely be merged to a list (and primarily because of quantity, not notability). Other series have already had this done, such as Dragon Ball. Just because other articles have not been cleaned up is no reason for you to decide to continue messing up this article. Your bad edits have been undone, yet again, and yet you continued making them despite others already reverting you. They were not appropriate. This article is primarily about the game. Sticking parentheticals on every header to note that is ridiculous and lacking in NPOV. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 15:19, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Screw this. i'm going to make my own personal Blue Dragon wikipedia using MediaWiki, because frankly i'm tired of you editors completely deleting my work when my work is completely relevant. i'm not going to create anymore character profiles or any more new pages, i'm just going to stick with updating episode lists and stuff. None of this has ever happened to me before on wikipedia until I started editing Blue Dragon. I have edited so many articles before and this crap hasn't happened once till now....ridiculous, very ridiculous. I have talked to other people on a few forums about this and they think it is ridiculous also. They told me it would be a better idea to make my wikipedia because of this. I don't hate any of you it's just, i've had enough.DranzerX13 (talk) 21:17, 29 December 2008 (UTC).

Wikia is also a good place for fictional topics to get more in-depth coverage, or so I've heard/seen, if you don't have web hosting space for your own Wikipedia. Would never go near the place myself, but several series fans seem to like it. Much of the inappropriate content removed from Bleach, Naruto, Dragon Ball, etc has apparently found its way there, as Wikia has fewer (if any) rules about the appropriateness of content. However, really your reactions here seem extremely over the top and make me suspect you must be a minor or something. This is a discussion, and should be a rational one. Instead of ranting and raving all over the place, why not just stick to the topic at hand and counter the arguments with your own views. Other people add their views, we discuss those views, consensus is reached. You aren't even allowing time for anyone else to join the discussion and complaining because your proposal met opposition. Also, your claims are fairly off. Much of the edits you have done have had to be corrected. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 21:18, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

My main goal for the main Blue Dragon wiki was to make it look as detailed as possible so many fans will enjoy reading about it. That was what I wanted so everyone can see how cool it is and so forth. I don't see why wikipedia can't have a page for each character even if they are fictional characters. This place is a wiki about everything, fiction, non fiction, etc. just to let you know i'm 25 years old and am male. I love anime, it is my main hobby.DranzerX13 (talk) 02:17, 30 December 2008 (UTC).

No, Wikipedia is not a place about everything, it is an encyclopedia. It has rules and guidelines for what is and is not appropriate content, which have already been pointed out to you numerous times. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 02:21, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

I had made a minor edit stating this about if Viz will release uncut DVDs of Blue Dragon or not. "Viz has not stated whether they will or not yet. For now they're releasing the North American edited TV version with a rating of "A" for all ages." because there is no proof that there won't be uncut DVDs. now as for Zatch Bell at more then one anime con they had stated that there won't be any uncut DVDs because of the fact they don't have enough sales for their edited DVDs. But as for Blue Dragon, none of this has even been said yet as the edited DVDs just started being released like around a few months ago.DranzerX13 (talk) 17:09, 30 December 2008 (UTC).

No problem, I edited that section some anyway. We don't generally mention "don't know if" yets, just don't mention its being released. Also removed some OR and other stuff. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 17:18, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

I read that, it looks good, Collectonian.DranzerX13 (talk) 18:20, 30 December 2008 (UTC).

Japanese title

The Japanese title is "BLUE DRAGON", not "ブルードラゴン" per the Jpanese page. moocowsrule^{(Talk to Moo)} 08:42, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

I have a reference page to show that Blue Dragon in Japan is "ブルードラゴン" below the "Blue Dragon" part of the logo. 1. http://www.amazon.co.jp/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?__mk_ja_JP=%83J%83%5E%83J%83i&url=search-alias%3Ddvd&field-keywords=%83u%83%8B%81%5B%83h%83%89%83S%83%93&x=0&y=0 2. http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%96%E3%83%AB%E3%83%BC%E3%83%89%E3%83%A9%E3%82%B4%E3%83%B3DranzerX13 (talk) 08:50, 29 December 2008 (UTC).

Take Naruto for example. in Japan it is romanized as NARUTO in plain english but below it there is japanese writing of it in japanese. DranzerX13 (talk) 08:53, 29 December 2008 (UTC).

Yes, it was released officially as Blue Dragon (remember, we do not care about all caps here), but the DVD cover clearly shows ブルードラゴン as well, so its fine having both here. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 09:03, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Check the main site. The katakana shown here is furigana, and is not a title. Naruto, isn't necessarily romanized as "NARUTO", that's the official title. the furigana shown indicates the reading, as most Japanese probably can't read Latin characters. moocowsrule^{(Talk to Moo)} 09:17, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes, its name is Blue Dragon, but that doesn't mean the katakana should just be ignored (nor should all caps of the same word be included). -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 09:32, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

The Japanese title isn't "ブルードラゴン" it's "BLUE DRAGON". The Japanese page and the official page use BLUE DRAGON not "ブルードラゴン". moocowsrule^{(Talk to Moo)} 21:37, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

And? We are calling it Blue Dragon here. However, as the official page and the JA page also make a point of including the katakana, including on the game and DVD covers, it should be included here as well. There is no factual error in listing it. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 22:01, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

But that's because it's furigana. Do you really think a native Japanese speaker would read "BLUE DRAGON" with ease? It's used to indicate pronunciation and that's all. That's the same as Naruto, Bleach and One Piece. moocowsrule^{(Talk to Moo)} 22:05, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm going to use the sandbox for test edits before submitting my edits especially if they're big edits, and the such. if it is good then I will use those changes in the actual page.DranzerX13 (talk) 10:54, 29 December 2008 (UTC).