Talk:Mugen (game engine)

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Let's try to follow the "Not a Forum" rules this time, okay? Blacklist 23:09, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Links

87.161.163.186 (talk) 17:05, 27 December 2007 (UTC) I think there is no need to post two Portuguese sites dealing with M.U.G.E.N ... Let us clean it up a little. Either delete MugenBR or PaoDeMugen. I also cannot understand why "MUGEN Latino America" is listed there. Please clean the page up a little bit for my sake :D http://mugenworld.ru/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.51.64.33 (talk) 08:13, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

There are too many links to mugen forums. Remove Either delete MugenBR or PaoDeMugen and add

mugencharacters.ucoz.com that is not a forum , is updated constantly and has lots of relevant information about mugen —Preceding unsigned comment added by Carljonyfriend (talk • contribs) 21:23, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

It's not notable, plus see the comment below. Blacklist (talk) 06:33, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Regarding Validity of new Elecbyte.com

A viewing of the whois database entry for www.elecbyte.com reveals that the domain was registered 1, June 1999 and will expire on 1, June 2008. Therefore the name's registration has not lapsed and been re-registered by someone else. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.147.211.224 (talk) 14:50, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, the domain was registered by someone other than Elecbyte. Blacklist (talk) 04:02, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Please consider one of the many M.U.G.E.N. clones. Oh right, shoot in your own feet........................................... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thisaccountisreal (talk • contribs) 20:35, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Uh... they mean Engine clones, not Developer clones. Blacklist (talk) 04:54, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Tone

Boy oh boy, this page is hard to read. It's like I asked a local weeaboo to explain M.U.G.E.N. to me... But, I asked Wikipedia to! This should be written more like an encyclopedic article and not a readme or something. Honestly, I don't even see a reason to have maybe even 2/3 of the content that is here; the history of the program may interest some, but is this the place for it?

The characters section is particularly narrative also. I don't see a need for the arbitrary backstory to the characters. The bit about Kung Fu Man should be only about as long as its first paragraph.

Suave Dude: He at the very least has a troop of minions at his disposal (some of which get defeated in KFM's introduction storyboard), and has the Mountainside Temple as his own personal hideout. The full extent of his forces or resources however is unknown and never disclosed or discussed.

What on earth?! We're not in a fantasy land.

It doesn't seem necessary to be so specific about the Maxine and Dragon Claw characters. Rather, a summary making the key points could get rid of both sections by mentioning that people commission characters, though few are completed (then citing a source), and that characters, noteably Dragon Claw, have been merchandised (cite source). I don't care how some guy paid a ludicrous amount of money for a girl version of himself he can use to whomp on people with, and I don't care that the Dragon Claw guy doesn't make enough money to cover his "hosting and such". Note the inappropriate tone in the phrase "and such".

The whole file structure section should be deleted. It's not useful information for the article, and it is WAY too long. If anyone cares about it, they probably can look at the files themselves, along with the documentation.

This article is longer than the entire article for Adobe Photoshop. Photoshop has had much more impact on things than mugen...

Other issues include:

[towards the end of the article...] ... distribution of updates, or as in the case of Mugen Institute a possible loss of revenue.

Things like this are all over this article, making it hard to read through a line in one go.

Although most of the authors have not registered copyrights pertaining to the code or graphics used to create the content ...

It hasn't been a law that you have to register copyrights (in the US) for years.

Much like hosting a videogame FAQ it is considered in violation of the author's copyright unless permission to host is given. [...] Typically it is argued that legal action is not sought for the misuse of most M.U.G.E.N creations because the origin of sprites and sounds has been ripped from commercial games even though the program code is crafted from scratch or templates.

Linking to something like derivative works could cut this chunk out. The same idea goes for many other parts of the article.

The debate ranges from original design by authors as well as derivative works or fan art often taken directly from previously released video game characters. A violation of ...

The MUGEN article isn't a place to re-explain copyright laws. Let Wikipedia do it. Also, that first part's a fragment, and a very confusing one, at that.

Summary: Too many words. Little relevant content. Informal tone, syntax, and constructs. Needs more commas.

69.65.232.61 (talk) 23:35, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

• You need a fucking job. Nanakon (talk) 21:15, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

• • 69.65.232.61,If it needs more commas and stuff,then why can't you do it? 99.230.152.143 (talk) 23:14, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Bloated, filled with non-notable information.

In response to these problems, I have taken the liberty of cleaning up the article to make it concise and more encyclopedic. Grawgzor (talk) 21:05, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

I'll be the first to say while the article does indeed need work...that was a terrible edit on your part.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 21:20, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

I might have gone overboard, but much of the content should be deleted. Suave dude has no relevance, and the reception section actually cites internet forum discussions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grawgzor (talk • contribs) 21:23, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Given he's Elecbyte's other character I fail to see the relevance, and the forum citations seem very few but relevant to the subject as far as temporary goes. Either way you have two editors objecting to your "trimming", I'd suggest not doing it a third time.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 23:19, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

If you go through the problems with each section in greater detail, I may go along with your revision. Oore (talk) 23:20, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

I say that the File Structure and noteworthy engine content gets axed, but getting rid of 90% of the article that was originally edited by Grawzor is not the answer. Blacklist (talk) 05:46, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Wouldn't axe the whole sections either really, though File Structure really could be redone overall. TESTP additionally needs some mention in there, though it's a shame the only citable info about them is long gone save for their readme files.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 10:53, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Overboard? You really destroyed the entire article :( —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.48.118.181 (talk) 17:28, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

The real meaning of MUGEN?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/mugen

Apparently, dictionary.com refers to mugen as infinity.

This seems to make sense because of mugen's limitless customizable features. Maybe this is what Elecbyte meant when he made the engine.

~DHB —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.50.200.143 (talk) 04:14, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

• We already know the definition of it in Japanese, however M.U.G.E.N is an abbreviation for something, possibly from when it was being made as a shooter engine. We just don't know it, and there is no way for us to find out. --Nanakon (talk) 06:10, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Then is it coincidental? Or was it meant to be like that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.71.116.117 (talk) 22:45, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

How can it be an acronym when the 'N' clearly isn't punctuated? I think it's entirely for stylistic purposes, not an acronym. Of course, we can't say for sure, the 'N' being unpunctuated certainly is important. 24.12.26.88 (talk) 00:44, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

mugencharacters.ucoz.com

I think this quote puts it nicely, "Wikipedia is not a depository for unvalued websites with bunch of google adverts. Please do not add website that hasn't got encyclopedic character."

If any of you Anons continue to add this link (and vandalize other links in the process), I will not hesitate to report you for breaking the 3 revisions rule. Blacklist (talk) 06:30, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

• Spam. Blacklisted. Guy (Help!) 22:22, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Excuse Me...

... What is the best place to get MUGEN (that's not in Japanese)? And, how in the heck to you upload Characters for MUGEN?--66.205.143.105 (talk) 02:08, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Reverted to an older, unvandalized version

I've noticed Kaos Machina tried to revert the vandalizing, but I think he picked the wrong version, as that version didn't really make all that sense either, so I've taken the liberty to actually revert it to the first un-vandalized version. Excuse me if I reverted it to a wrong version though.

--GaryCXJk (talk) 01:22, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

www.brokenmugenhr.com is untrustworthy

I don't trust this site because a lot of major MUGEN sites despised Vyx's doings to the MUGEN engine. He's doing a High Res, no, Hi-Definition MUGEN with he always sells it in the internet WITHOUT the original author's permissions. It's really against the rules of the fighting game engine and therefore, it's not a good thing to the MUGEN community. That link should be deleted or else.

--Blackgaia02 (talk) 14:36, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

• I totally agree. Vyx have hosted stolen content before, he have been banned from almost all major MUGEN forums and that he is trying to sell a edit of MUGEN is totally absurd.

Went ahead and removed the link. No need to promote unlawful actions here. Blacklist (talk) 20:58, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Sources to be implemented

The current references are quite weak, but these are possibilities:

• Blend Games
• Games Radar

There are some other links suggested in the AfD, but they don't appear to be WP:RS. Marasmusine (talk) 17:50, 19 September 2009 (UTC)