Talk:Kshatriya

Indeed the Kshatriyas are the purest of Aryans. their colour like all Aryans ranges from light to brown.

The Kshatriyas have nothing in common with the Khatris, a merchant caste.

I would totally agree, The Punjabi Khatri a merchant caste has nothing to do with the Warriors the Kshatriyas. Even our Gotras, looks, structure and values are different. Shri Gaj Singh would never allow a member of his family to marry a Khatri. Besides a Khatri are a fine caste and only marry in Lallas (Khatris).They are rich and proud as well.

Not to be confused with the Punjabi Khatri a merchantile caste. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.88.88.153 (talk) 15:24, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Note should be taken of the fact that the great caste of Khatri (the merchants) have nothing to do with the Kshatriya (warrior and kings).''''

Dear Readers, Please understand india is a democracy ( of course after the british left) Periayar reaffirmed the dravidian identity that was almost erased by the british white rule aided by the bramhinical groups imposing the caste system for which arya varta had to be transgressed so that entire india including the dravidian lands can be converted into arya varta(land of the aryans) and brahminical groups acould be its sole masters without even sharing it with aryan non black kshatriyas. Ofcourse MAN(black dravidians) came from africa, everybody knows it and the aryans came from central asia and india ofcourse is a part of asia. Rajputs married moslem kshatriyas by faith and even today rajputs of pakistan are proud landlords of course most are moslem by religion, like in the previous past most where non bramhinical buddhist by religion, Of course bramhinical rajputs trying to protect bramhin superiority for their masters were defeated. Dravidian parties eulogising periyar are the sole representatives of the black tamil race who are ruling dravidian states like tamil nadu,AP,KArunadu-karnataka("land of the black nation" as it translates in kannada). How can the user 82.123.139.101 brainwash us the readers, that it was british who created caste system.It was the dravidian parties(periyar) that rejected the bramhinical caste system be imposed on homogeneous black Tamils with their proud semitic past(of course semites intermarried with the black slaves and are from middle east).Bramhinism was the main cause of the destruction of kshatrriyas and on their lost ashes and ruins the black dravidians have cleverly manipulated fictitious claims and aided by greedy fictitious bramhins are calling themselves kshatriyas, as well as being OBC,BC, SC,ST being benifited by the quota largesse. IS THIS WHAT WHITE ARYAN KSHATRIYA ALL ABOUT THE BLOOD AND RACE OF THE VEDIC ARYANS OF PERSIA<KURDS<AFGHANS<ARYAVARTA.Can u ignore the dravidian parties representating 25crores dravidians and the mandate of the black dravidians reaffirming their dravidiannes against the northern white if dravidians of south india can claim themselves to be kshatriyas let the entire humanity including the blacks of africa be called kshatriyas and find mention in this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.92.222.31 (talk) 18:08, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Kshatriya lineage

Users to this page, please provide citations/references to all the groups you have placed under Kshatriya lineage. I would not apply this rule to Khatri, since several citations have already been provided.

If references are not made in a timely manner, then I would request we remove the groups that do not provide any.

Thanks,

--KhatriNYC (talk) 22:13, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Lede

I think the Lede is too long in this article and there are not enough citations. Perhaps the 3rd paragraph beginning "The legend that the Kshatriyas..." could be put in a section titled "Legend"? Bigweeboy (talk) 21:43, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Very astute observation Big, I have created a History section to fix this problem. Thanks,--Kbob (talk) 16:14, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

REQUEST TO HAVE THE ARTICLE LOCKED

I would like to suggest we lock this article due to the face people are removing information from this page or adding information without providing any citations. this would inlude adding groups/castes considered to be Kshatriya. Lets clean this up in the next couple of days/weeks if people do not add citations. Thanks.

--KhatriNYC (talk) 16:43, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

In the coming week, I will start to remove groups/castes people have added that do not have any citations/references. Please add them if you would like to keep them posted. thanks

--KhatriNYC (talk) 15:39, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Ok, as I stated before, I will be removing groups/clans that don't have references. This will begin tomorrow. Thanks.

--KhatriNYC (talk) 14:28, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

The article mentions the following: "The earliest Vedic literature listed the Kshatriya (holders of kṣatra, or authority) as second in rank, after the Brahmins (priests and teachers of law), before the Vaisya (merchant-traders, farmers and some artisan castes)[1], and the Sudra (labourers, some farming castes and other artisan castes)".

The reference [1] quoted to support the statement is given as:

1. ^ http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=w9aZOmVeD0IC&pg=PA412&lpg=PA412&dq=ayogava+artisan&source=bl&ots=nCqRX4vQ1U&sig=VNTd275_5WVBCj8IYqan0gKnYhs&hl=en&ei=n7s-SrioCuSfjAfons0F&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5

However, the reference [1] talks about anuloma and pratiloma. It does not mention ranks as first rank or second rank. It deals with sutas or ayogava. Kindly delete the reference and provide another citation reference.

--= No ||| Illusion = (talk) 08:12, 9 September 2009 (UTC)Mayasutra

"Chhetri" in colloquial Nepali

I added this near the top of the article where linguistic derivation in Hindi and Sanskrit are discussed, but didn't know now to formalize it in devanagari etc. Some help here would be appreciated. Although "Kshatriya" is certainly understood by everyone who is literate, it's simplified to "Chhetri" in everyday speech.

Nuances of meaning should also be discussed in the Nepalese context. Khas peoples in far western Nepal often belong to the Thakuri sub-caste, notably the Shah family that unified the country and ruled it until recently. Nepalese Chhetris often originated in marriages between Brahman men and indigenous peoples such as (Kham) Magars, so it is more of a synthetic caste in Nepal than it might be in India.

Also some of Nepal's "martial tribes" claim Chhetri status on the basis of their long history of soldiering (a tradition that probably was well developed before the Shahs took advantage of it to unify the country, then the British exploited it by recruiting Gurkha mercenaries). Also the martial tribes had their own independent kingdoms before unification under the Shah. LADave (talk) 17:40, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

"Vanniyars" (Vanniyakula Kshatriya, Agnikula Kshatriya) are not real Kshatriyas

Vanniyars are not at all Kshatriyas, they're a low, backward class. They were confered the MBC (Most Backward Class) status in TamilNadu. How can they claim Kshatriya status without any historical proof. They are just vandalizing Kshatriya wikipedia page. Kshatriyas were Kings, Nobles/Landlords, Army chieftains... Vanniyar is a community which constitutes around 30 percent of the whole tamil population. It would mean that 30% of tamils have noble origins ??!!... What a nonsense!!... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.46.213.126 (talk) 22:17, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Please read history thoroughly my friend. thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.167.72.70 (talk) 18:43, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Vanniyars are a labour caste = shudras. Vanniyars (which is not even a caste but a community of castes) constitute around 30 percent of the whole tamil population. It would mean that 30% of tamils have noble origins ??!!... this is joke!!... Noble caste doesn't account for than 5 to 10% of a (feudal) society, it is true everywhere in the world. Many of them converted to christianity (that's another sign of their low caste status). See these links:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FRIENDS_of_UP/message/1544

http://books.google.com/books?id=ppbkEJAEVCIC&pg=PA77&lpg=PA77&dq=vanniyars+low+caste&source=bl&ots=_34TaHb8RK&sig=cSKxSvpc3HkgdToO7YjA1z4d-RM&hl=en&ei=VwsdS8DiGdrOjAf21PiKBA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CBgQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=vanniyars%20low%20caste&f=false

The everyday politics of labour: working lives in India's informal economy By Geert de Neve page 77.

Kshatriya wikipedia page must be protected to prevent vanniyars vandals to edit it.

Kshatriyas do not account for more than 5 to 10% of the whole indian population