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Ambiguity!

"The ICE 3, including its variant models, is made both by Bombardier and Siemens". Is this the two companies acting in partnership, or each company separately, possibly in competition? The latter seems liklier. It could be disambiguated to "ICE 3 sets, including variant models, are made by either Bombardier or Siemens". If the first meaning is the right one, "The ICE 3, including its variant models, is made by a partnership of Bombardier and Siemens". Can anybody say which version is correct? AMackenzie (talk) 20:52, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

They are acting in partnership. I have clarified this.85.179.87.200 (talk) 21:36, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Driver makes glass non-transparent?

I just rode on the ICE from Paris to Frankfurt. The glass between the 2nd class cabin and the tracks facing forwards was made opaque many times, for a few seconds each time, on the ride. However, it was made transparent on the basis of signs outside on the track, clearly not at driver discretion. Does anyone know why these signs exist on the track, and why the driver makes the glass opaque when the train passes through those areas? ---David W. Hogg (talk) 13:46, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Urban legend and /or too much German wine. --95.119.128.72 (talk) 19:02, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

No urban legend! My english is not very good, but the sign means "powerless-section" (entering new electrical section) and the driver has to switch the glass to non-transparent. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.5.196.236 (talk) 20:54, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

There are no signs on the track. The function of making the glass non-transparent is available to the driver, though; sometimes, there are also malfunctions causing this to happen on its own. To my knowledge, one purpose of this function is to keep the remains of suicides (which unfortunately occur on the rails sometimes) out of the passengers' sight. I have read that it was automatically triggered in case of full brake application, but don't have a confirmation for that.85.179.87.200

Answer: Everytime when the ICE is passing a "Phasentrennstelle" the glas goes automaticly opaque. A Phasentrennstelle is the point during two seperated power-sections. In an case of emergency-break, the glas goes also automaticly opaque, so that no guest have to see blood or dead animals/people on the front-window. --91.5.210.245 (talk) 23:00, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

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Clarification of resaurant/snack bar cars

I have reverted an anonymous edit twice now due to it being confusing, but i believe there is actual information that could be added to the article, hopefully I can get some clarity here.

First, context. Here is the paragraph with added text by an anonymous editor, after this edit

The ICE 3 and ICE T are similar in their interior design, but the other ICE types differ. The ICE 1, the ICE 2 and seven-car ICE T (Class 411) are equipped with a full restaurant car. The ICE 3 and the five-car ICE T (Class 415), however, have been designed without a restaurant,(but five car ICE T 415 has only a snack bar with 4 stand up bar and ICE 3 has a 24 seats and small bar simliar like to ICE T 411 seven car) they feature a bistro coach instead. Since October 1, 2006 smoking is prohibited in the bistro coaches, similar to the restaurant cars, which have always been non-smoking.

I believe the anonymous editor is trying to say that the ICE 3 and the ICE T 415 do not have the same snack bar and seats, while the article suggests that they are the same. The trouble is I am not sure how to interpret what the anonymous editor has said.

Specifically, this phrase: "but five car ICE T 415 has only a snack bar with 4 stand up bar". The ICE 415 has a snack bar and 4 stand up bars? Or a 4 seat stand up bar? Not sure.

"ICE 3 has a 24 seats and small bar simliar like to ICE T 411 seven car". This sounds like the ICE 3 has a half-size restaurant car, which makes it a 24 seat snack bar, instead of a 50 seat full restaurant car.

Can anyone, including the anonymous editor, clarify this for me? Cheers, —fudoreaper (talk) 18:39, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Maximum Speed?

I was aboard the Paris (via Saarbrucken) train (15 May 09) and during the last hour of the run into Paris Est, the train speed display hit 322 kmh, with the train running at 315 kmh or better for much of the time. Perhaps an expert can confirm that the top speed has been uprated since the article was written? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.253.104.104 (talk) 06:18, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

From reading here and elswhere, I understand that both TGV and ICE trains run at 320 km/h on the LGV Est line. This article only breifly mentions this service, it seems, in the Line segments abroad section. However, if you look at the ICE 3 article, the maximum speed is show as 330 km/h, which i believe is accurate. Not sure if you had specific text in mind that should be updated in this article, maybe you could mention the section you think should be updated. Cheers —fudoreaper (talk) 06:17, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

The claimed speed is somewhat like a myth, it is commonly known that our Acela is much better and faster than those reichsbahn nazi trains. --CaptainAmerica (talk) 08:29, 07. August 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.141.3.164 (talk)

Some notes about this: The Acela runs at 240 km/h maximum, which is much slower than Japanese, French, or German high-speed trains; the U.S. don't exactly have a reputation for good long-distance trains. It is true that the ICE 3 only reaches 300 km/h within Germany (320 km/h in France), but that's not too bad... By the way, the Reichsbahn ceased to exist more than a decade ago. Nazi Germany did not build high-speed trains (but did have prototypes running roughly at the speed of the Acela in the 1930s).85.179.87.200 (talk) 21:58, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your explanation, although I think "CaptainAmerica" already knows about the facts, but some USAmericans don't like the idea of USA being not first/best/fastest in every category ... and even negate the fact, that the Acela is just a retouched French TGV! axp_de^Hello! 20:19, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Actually, the Acela uses a TGV-derived (French) motor, but the rest of the locomotive is a new design, and the tilting passenger carriages are based on the LRC (Canadian). The Acela Express runs on upgraded regular tracks, rather than real high-speed lines, so a non-tilting TGV or ICE wouldn't be able to reach anywhere near its top speeds. Even the Acela only runs at 240 km/h for a short section of the line.

As for the ICE's top speed, I think the confusion is between the ICE trains, which can handle at least 330, and the German ICE network, which I believe still limits them to 300. David Arthur (talk) 17:27, 21 August 2009 (UTC)