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Lindsay Thomas (actress)

Nationality given as American, but the last time I did a Google search there was no indication where she was born; according to this obituary she appeared to do a lot of work in Canada. Can we be sure she was a U.S. citizen? Rms125a@hotmail.com (talk) 17:04, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree she seems Canadian rather than American [1]. WWGB (talk) 00:44, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, she's Canadian! I have updated the source that supplies the proof. It's from the CBC, though WWGB's source, from Metro News Canada, would have sufficed as well. :) Ed (talk) 03:17, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Phillip Martin

Choctaw Chief phillip martin passed away on Thursday. is he famous enough to be listed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.19.174.249 (talk) 05:34, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Done WWGB (talk) 05:46, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Brendan Burke

Does this guy really deserve a place here? Reading his article he seems to be here because of who his father is and the fact that he announced he was gay. If I announce I'm gay (which I'm not) will someone write a page about me on Wiki? His article does not refer to any achievements, talent or deeds. Do we really need this type of article in Wiki? Williamgeorgefraser 10:26, 7 February 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Williamgeorgefraser (talk • contribs)

Then you should initiate an article deletion debate. WWGB (talk) 14:34, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If you announced you were gay in a notoriously closeted context such as professional sports, someone probably would write one about you, yes. Your reduction is a little disingenuous. Anyway, as long as he has his own article, as WWGB suggests, he's fine for this page. tomasz. 23:52, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know if Brendan Burke was notable enough or not to warrant his own Wikipedia page, or a mention on the Deaths list, but I do know that his reason for notability, which is currently listed as "ice hockey player", is misleading. Yes, he was a hockey player, but his degree of fame stemmed from his father being one of the best-known executives in the NHL, and for coming out as a homosexual. Listing Brendan as a hockey player would be a little like listing Michael Jordan as a baseball player -- true enough, but missing the reason for his fame altogether. Drpickem (talk) 13:46, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The death for the person above says he was "notable for coming out". Is "coming out" a proper way to say he was gay? I mean coming out is a really vague term. 76.108.0.229 (talk) 23:59, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's not vague at all. See coming out. WWGB (talk) 02:17, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've moved this so all discussion can be in the same place. In my view, if a notable person comes out, that is a notable event in his life, but cannot make a non-notable person notable, given that people come out every day. Opinion so far seems to be that his notability as a sportsperson is limited, and that coming out cannot add to that. Issues of his notability qua sports should be addressed at his article. Rodhull andemu 00:04, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brendan Burke. WWGB (talk) 02:17, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

William Tenn

William Tenn is NOT Philip J. Klass (who died in 2005). William Tenn was born Philip Klass, but never, ever was a UFOlogist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lauriemann (talk • contribs) 22:06, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed.Template:THS06:24, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Alpine: proper or common adjective?

The answer to whether Alpine is a proper or common adjective (reworded from noun) depends upon the source. According to Webster's New World Dictionary, Third College Edition, it's a proper adjective. This agrees with what W guice says in the history log on February 9. However, Wictionary considers this a common adjective. Go figure. Ed (talk) 05:26, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Here's a link to dictionary.com which states that Alpine is capitalized when referring to skiing: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/alpine Ed (talk) 17:51, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Jack Nicholson

Where is the proof that he is dead? ANY link will do but I suspect vandalism Jdjd2010 (talk) 04:38, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Just because he wants to be eaten by vultures, people try to kill him off prematurely! WWGB (talk) 04:53, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nationality of footballers in the United Kingdom

There is nothing incorrect about an entry that states "British footballer". The first word refers to the person's nationality, the second refers to the reason for notability. The expression "British footballer" has nothing to do with the competition in which the person played. I am aware of the Wikipedia provision that "British" should be replaced by English/Irish/Scottish/Welsh, but only if the person self-identified more with one of those groups. By all means change a player's nationality away from British if he identified more as English, Irish, Scottish or Welsh, but not because of the competition in which he plays. Using that logic, Cesc Fàbregas is an English footballer since that is the competition in which he plays! WWGB (talk) 01:07, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Difficult to ask someone who has died where he 'self-identified'. Equally, Willie Polland's own article describes him as a Scottish footballer. Why is that ? He played for Raith Rovers and Hearts, his home town is cited as Armadale, West Lothian - how much more Scottish does he need to be. Trust me, as an Englishman, most (nay, all) Scots hate to be described as 'British'. The differential becomes even more profound, as if it needed to, if someone gains international honours. The UK/British footie team winning the FIFA World Cup, anyone ? I watched Wales beat Scotland today in a rugby union classic. Do the players concerned think, "who cares who wins, we are all British" ?? It's bollocks.

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 01:57, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fabregas is undoubtedly a Spaniard, and is part of the Spanish national team. He merely lives in England and plays for a London team, most of whose players are foreign. I think Vinnie Jones should be described as British, as he played for Wales, though the extent of Welshness is that one of his grandparents was Welsh. Lkjhgfdsa 0 (talk) 17:35, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think with most sports, English/N Irish/Scottish/Welsh is better, regardless of whether the player actually reached international level, because those are the teams (i.e. nationalities) 'that they were trying to represent'. This is a pretty good rule of thumb for sports where the four nations compete separately, or for individual sports where they are the nations recognised - so footballers, rugby players, golfers, cricketers and snooker players are all best described as English/Scottish etc. Sports where the team is usually GB or UK, then British is more appropriate - tennis is a good example, horse racing another (which is why I think the Dick Francis entry should read "British" not "Welsh"). There's only very few examples where either could be used, athletics being one.

Re: Vinnie Jones, that's a complicated one, because he's probably known as much for his post-retirement work as he is for football. On the former he'd be British, the latter Welsh. EJBH (talk) 02:31, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Determining a player's nationality as a consequence of their national team is a slippery slope. FA rules allow a footballer to play for a nation where he attended school regardless of place of birth or family history. So Ryan Shawcross is eligible to play for England or Wales. What next ... English-born Welsh footballer? WWGB (talk) 03:05, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If he gets selected for one team or the other, problem solved, if he doesn't he's "Welsh-English"? Using "British" seems anomalous to me when these are sportsmen for whom the ultimate goal is representing one of the Home Nations, and there isn't a British football team to play for. I suppose part of the problem is that currently internationals get the distinction, and non-internationals don't, which itself looks anomalous. So maybe the best solution is to tag all of them "British", and if they played internationally include the country in the notable team list. So for example, if Ryan Giggs were to die his entry would read "British footballer (Manchester United and Wales). No doubt you'd still get some pedant pointing out the "if they identify" rule, though... EJBH (talk) 01:38, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Shawcross' article says his parents are Welsh, so he could be described as English, English-born Welsh, Welsh, Anglo-Welsh or British. It is complicated; the nationality issue is much debated on many talk pages and edit-warred over on many articles. Lkjhgfdsa 0 (talk) 04:17, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

<sigh> Wasn't life so much simpler when we just used British on this page ... WWGB (talk) 04:25, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

To make matters worse, the term "British Footballer" could mean a player of Football for a British team OR it could mean a Footballer who happens to be British regardless of the team he plays for. Also I'm reminded of the Greg Rusedski story where he's Canadian if he loses and British if he wins, not that it's important to this discussion :-) Personally I agree with listing them as what they self-identify with and if they haven't self-identified before becoming famous and before dying after becoming famous then we have to assume that the country identity they're known for is the one they identify with. 78.86.230.62 (talk) 17:43, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

New Zealand deaths

Hi I just wanted to advise that www.amemorytree.co.nz lists 99% of all New Zealand deaths, days, if not hours after they occur. This may be a good link for your readers. Regards —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.236.185.88 (talk) 02:46, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request

{{editsemiprotected}} Dale Hawkins recently died on February 14, 2010 of colon cancer, since I cannot edit the given article, I would like to give you the link: http://www.arktimes.com/blogs/rockcandy/2010/02/dale_hawkins_dies.aspx. Thank you.

Done Rodhull andemu 22:27, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Leroy Nash

Leroy Nash died on February 12, 2010. Please add the cause of death as "natural causes", as specified in the reference cited. Thanks. (64.252.68.102 (talk) 21:57, 15 February 2010 (UTC))[reply]

Done thanks a lot

Spitfire^Tally-ho! 22:18, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for making the edit. Much appreciated. (64.252.68.102 (talk) 15:37, 16 February 2010 (UTC))[reply]

Dana Kirk

Dana Kirk the former basketball coach at Memphis died. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=4917591 Cant update like a usually can and dont understand why. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunnydoo (talk • contribs) 07:54, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Done (newly registered or anonymous editors have been blocked temporarily due to excessive vandalism of this page) WWGB (talk) 11:15, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mohammad Haqqani

His entry on this article only says he was the brother of someone. That does not give him any notability. If he is notable in his own right, the entry should say what for. If he is not notable, he should be removed. Lkjhgfdsa 0 (talk) 20:18, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]