Talk:Oscar De La Hoya

'Oscar De La Hoya became the richest fighter ever in the the history of boxing'

This is tagged with a citation needed, and rightly so, I think. I venture to say that George Foreman is richer, albeit by other business ventures aside from boxing (The Lean Mean Grilling Machine a.s.o). I checked the Forbes lists, but couldn't find anything conclusive. So unless a reliable source is found, I'll modify the statement. Asav (talk) 12:53, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

I see somebody has sourced it, so that's resolved. Asav (talk) 12:37, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

description of fight vs May is quite far from reality

I find the description of the fight vs. Mayweather quite far from reality. Please listen to the post fight comments by HBO's Max Kellerman, whom I find to be the most intelligent and objective boxing analyst. He's absolutely right on. The fight was only close and the decision controversial in the eyes of casual observers who don't know much about boxing. I really like Oscar, but the only thing that shocked me about the decision was that it was split. For the life of me I can't understand how a professional boxing judge could give a fight to Oscar. This is exactly what Kellerman said. If you have any doubts please have a look at the punch stats. While it looked like the fight was close because of Oscar's more aggressive style Mayweather dominated the punch stats. To say that 2 of the judges were impressed by some random shots that he got in is absolutely ridiculous and nonobjective. Watch the fight again if you have to. But this time try to actually pay attention to the effectiveness of the punches, not just to who charges forward.

Pernell Whitaker (W 12)|(A fight which many onlookers thought he had lost)

What kind of comment is this? Why don't you just say that it was a controversial decision. Not that it was... most observers were comfortable with that decision, even if Whitaker complained about it.

Why not make a similar comment about the Ike Quartey fight, which was also very close, with several knockdowns by each fighter, and the outcome not decided until the 12th round.

Your comments about the "controversial majority-decision loss to Félix Trinidad" was much more reasonable, but your comments on the "two decision losses to Shane Mosley" lacked the same punch, since these were controversial as well.

I'm not sure how you consider Bernard Hopkins to be "more technical." Many people think Oscar was winning the fight until he took a rib-breaking shot to the body. Simply listing this as a "KO" makes it sound like he was knocked into unconsciousness, when he was not.

Mayweather WON Get Over IT

I'm not sure how you conclude that Vargas was Oscar's "nemesis." The same was said for Genaro Hernandez, who's career also went nowhere after he lost.

It might be interesting to mention that when Oscar fought Felix Sturm, he won virtually every round, which shows just how great a boxer Oscar really is.

Also, rather than saying that Oscar fought "much better than expected" against Ricardo Mayorga, why not just say that he dominated this champion and destroyed him in 6. The expectation that Oscar might not have been as good as before is an opinion... perhaps your opinion, and not something that should appear on Wikipedia.

Also, how is offering a fighter $250,000 to sign a contract a "controversy?"

Lucky against Felix Sturm

Many sources show that Oscar won again Felix Sturm due to the unskilled jury. This incredible amount of luck is underlined by evidence like [1] , [2] and [3]. 78.94.87.233 (talk) 05:58, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Spelling of surname?

What is the correct spelling of his surname? Is it De La Hoya, De la Hoya or de la Hoya? -- Hey Teacher 15:16, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

de la Hoya. Spanish names don't capitalize "de", "del", "de la". --Vizcarra 00:01, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you (sorry for the late reply). Should the article be changed then? He is referred to as "De La Hoya" almost all the time (except for the name of the article). -- Hey Teacher 08:59, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

At start of sentence

_ _ I've restored the caps wherever the surname begins a sentence. That's what's done in English (and probably every alphabetic language that uses upper and lower cases), with the arguable exception of trademarks like iPod, which have the second letter upper case. Lower case was invented to permit certain things to stand out:

1. SHOUTING,
2. important words in titles of works,
3. first word of sentence (to aid perception of the sentence as a visual unit, which helps the unconscious task of grasping, sentence by sentence, the meaning of what's read; that's also what the period or full stop and other end of sentence punctuation are for), and
4. proper names (quickly alerting readers that writers mentioning Frank don't necessarily have a position on his frankness and those mentioning Charity don't necessarily see her as the embodiment of either loving kindness or demeaning favors).

Different languages do have their own rules about small words that are part of a name (sometimes flexible or complicated rules; English says "John of Gaunt" while its adaptation of Irish Gaelic names goes "O'Shaughnessy", but there's no logic to keeping the lower case at the start of the sentence: can you doubt that the Spanish translation of the sentence

Of mice and men, much can be said.

begins "De" rather than "de"?
View it this way: upper casing that normally appears in a given name is unconditional; lower casing that normally appears is simply an exception to unconditional upper casing, but is not unconditional lower casing. and the D goes upper case at the start of a sentence or title of a work.
_ _ If you really can't stand to see the capital at the start of his surname, i suggest (beyond getting yourself some therapy), you can (once recasting the sentence with "He" more often gets excessive) move "de la Hoya" later in the sentence. Think about it: if you were told (a rule that some insist on) that you can't start sentences with digits, would you start them instead with, on one hand,

Two hundred fifty thousand troops arrived ...

and

Nineteen ninety-four's elections brought ...

or, on the other hand, with

The arrival of 250,000 troops ...

and

The 1994 elections brought ...

--Jerzy•t 17:05, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Championship Boxes

Anychance someone with a higher level of skill then me could edit this article so those championship boxes dont fill up so much space? If you look at other boxers like Lennox Lewis, they have pages where the championship's section is very sleek and tightly fit together, Can someone do that here? it would really clean up the page I think. Midusunknown 05:57, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Rrp1972, looks much better! Midusunknown 08:57, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

not a problem! Rrp1972 16:13, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Number of Knockouts

After the Mayorga fight, he has 30 knockouts. While the second Chavez fight was indeed a case off Chavez quitting on the stool, that is still considered a technical knockout and so is reflected as such in de la Hoya's record. MKil 13:05, 11 May 2006 (UTC)MKil

I tend to agree with MKil, but boxingrec.com/HBO/and others have Chavez listed as RTD, i am sure that means retired not retarded, although HBO lists his total KOs at 30 because of this. So we can compromise and leave the stats at W RTD 8 like everyone else and the KOs at 30--Richard Pérez 19:38, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

RTD is used in Europe more than in America, and since Boxrec.com is run by a Brit, it is starting to use RTDs for when a fighter retires on his stool between rounds. As an editor there, I'm not thrilled by that, but it's not my site and I don't set the rules. In the U.S. when a fighter retires between rounds it is almost always counted as a TKO. Ring magazine, for instance, lists it as such. In the interests of averting an edit war, I think it's a wise compromise to leave the Chavez TKO as an RTD but to count it towards de la Hoya's total knockouts. MKil 21:06, 16 May 2006 (UTC)MKil

This is a very boring article about de la Hoya. The author should add more details in his childhood.

Oscar is NOT the only six division champion in boxing history. Tommy Hearns also held world titles at six different weights, from welter up to cruiser.

If your opponent quits its a TKO. Roberto Duran vs. Ray Leonard, Sonny Liston vs. Cassius Clay/Ali for example.-Jan/31/07

de la Hoya vs. De La Hoya

Shouldn't it be De La Hoya, with capital letters? Every website, every fight that I've ever seen that has his name has it with capital letters.-1/11/07 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.247.5.216 (talk) 02:25, January 12, 2007 (UTC)

I agree that "de la" should be capitalized. First, Oscar is an American, so Spanish grammatical conventions concerning the non-capitalization of "de", "del" or "de la" are not dispositive. The fact is that Oscar himself spells his name "De La Hoya" [4]. That should decide the issue itself. Furthermore, the mainstream media sources are consistent in referring to him as "De La Hoya": [5] [6] [7] [8]. In short, both Oscar and the mainstream media capitalize the "De La" portion of his surname. I don't see any basis for deviation.-PassionoftheDamon 17:11, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I've moved page back to 'Oscar De La Hoya'. GoodDay 21:42, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

THE ONLY FIGHTER TO KNOCK OUT THE GOLDEN BOY WAS "JIMMY FIGO NEWMAN" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.211.21.2 (talk) 14:49, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Inconsistencies with article...

...Mentions ODLH status as one of boxings "All-Time Greats" but does not do so for other equally, if not more accomplished fighters of lesser commercial exposure. Also adds note describing controversial victory over Pernell Whitaker & loss to Felix Trinidad but not his victory over Ike Quartey. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.193.80.173 (talk) 19:54, 21 March 2007 (UTC).

I may not be too good mathematically, but something seems wrong with the fights count: Total fights 44 Wins 39 Losses 9. 39 + 9 = 48 total fights? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.106.152.13 (talk) 04:00, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

== Lack of neutrality ==oscar de la hoya fought floyf mayweather in the street !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111

The section about the Mayweather fight is clearly biased in favor of De La Hoya.--BigaZon 09:23, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

If I was a boxing judge, I would of definitely gave the fight to De la Hoya. He charged at Mayweather the whole fight. Mayweather had a look of fear in his eyes from the time the fight started to the very last round. And I did watch it over again. The majority of boxing fans are shocked by the decision also. And by the way....did you all see Mayweather come out in Mexican garb?? Wonder why there was no controversy there? Want to know why? Because there is more important things to the Mexican culture than to look at someone and make a big deal out of an "African American" wearing thier colors on thier day. If it was Oscar wearing African attire on Martin Luther King Jr's birthday....Oh boy...look out world. He would have so many lawsuits against him that he would no longer be called the "Golden Boy"68.102.168.208 15:39, 8 May 2007 (UTC)Maria de la Luz!!

Thank god you ARENT a boxing judge, because what Oscar exhibited all night is called ineffective aggression. In other words, he was aggressive, but didn't really accomplish anything during his spurts of aggression. Not only that, but he fell asleep at the wheel during the last five rounds. Yes, he earned some rounds based on the fact that his aggressiveness outweighed Mayweather's accurate punching at times, but not more than 4 (5 at the most) of the 12 in the opinions of naerly everyone. According to ESPN's Dan Rafael, no one on press row had De La Hoya winning, but a few did have the fight scored a draw. BoxingNut 20:11, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

PPV $$

His Pay-per-view money total needs to be updated to include recent fights, or at the least it needs to be said that the total is only through a particular date. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.229.26.210 (talk) 16:08, 8 May 2007 (UTC).

Fox sports reports le hoya may make $35 million and Mayweather $20 million. http://msn.foxsports.com/boxing/story/6791828

Personal Life?

What happened to his personal Life section? (MgTurtle 01:41, 23 May 2007 (UTC)).

I was required to remove it because it wasn't sourced. (WP:BLP) I left the least dubious information though. Sancho 06:10, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Required? By whom? It is a fact that he has a daughter born in 99 w Shanna Moakler. So u r just gonna totally leave his daughter Atiana off his wiki page? 70.108.126.66 (talk) 03:07, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Nationality

Atiana Cecilia de la Hoya who is his daughter from a past relationship

Crossdressing?

Crossdressing? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.141.47.50 (talk) 23:59, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, why is there absolutely no mention of that incident with his alleged mistress? It's been a big story and she has now filed a lawsuit for several million dollars against him in relation to that incident/story. Definitely should be included in the article.

I believe youre reffering to this http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/1116071oscar1.html although I wonder if its not better to allow the rumors to be sifted out in court before condemning him.

”Before condemning him”? Wikipedia is not going to condemn him for putting on a skirt, it’s just going to report that the event took place! (And of course, create the category ”Cross-dressing boxers” ;) Bossk-Office (talk) 14:11, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

absolutely. talk about information hording. its not 1984 here on wikipedia. you don't have control over information. so what if De La Hoya refutes the evidence, it was a big story and it belongs here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.139.46.10 (talk) 19:25, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Ex-stripper says Oscar pics real: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/more/02/16/bc.box.delahoyalawsuit.ap/index.html?eref=si_mostpopular —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.123.160.3 (talk) 06:52, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Really dumb that there's no mention of it.66.27.218.153 (talk) 05:55, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

De La Hoya vs. Mayweather II not official

Just because the fight appears on boxrec doesn't mean the fight will take place. Nothing is confirmed, as of yet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hamin86 (talk • contribs) 03:58, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

I changed it to that there currently working on a rematch, but your right it's not official.Rvk41 (talk) 06:02, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Win/loss record?

According to the infobox, de la Hoya has had 45 fights, with a win/loss record of 41-6. Anyone else spot the problem with that? I will leave it to the regular editors of this page to fix this. Risker (talk) 06:25, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

 Done Enigma ^message 06:48, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

yes, He lost to shane mosely twice not once, someone fix it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.170.43.141 (talk) 19:11, 8 December 2008 (UTC) NOTE: On the Won Loss record, both bouts with Shane Mosely are colored in Green and counted as Wins for De La Hoya. They both should be marked Red, with one being a SD (split decision) and the other being a UD (unanimous decision) Loss. Oscar lost both times to Shane Mosely. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.130.203.67 (talk) 19:37, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Return From Retirement

He announced on the George Lopez show that he is returning to fight. He joked and said that it would be Eric Estrada, but I have a feeling that it will be Floyd Mayweather so Mayweather will have an excuse to duck Pacquiao.

This article reads like it was written by a retired fighter. I can't make heads or tails of some of these paragraphs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.195.37.19 (talk) 08:55, 22 December 2009 (UTC)