Talk:The Fame Monster

Charts and certification

The Fame Monster just reached 2nd position on the swedish album charts. And sold platinum. http://www.sverigetopplistan.se/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.222.15.71 (talk) 10:24, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Dance In The Dark

More Info for dance in the dark Radio Add:http://www.aumreport.com/Chart_News.html (For Aus)

plus the original promo single:http://itunes.apple.com/be/album/dance-in-the-dark-single/id338738402

So an official add by Australian radio stations, the radio network, and a promo single. does this give enough for its own article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.68.185.98 (talk) 09:44, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Alejandro Release

Could you look on the Release date of the single Alejandro on the infobox. The date denotes April 20, 2010 and the mere fact is we have not reached the date April 20, we are on the 27th of March. Can you fix this error. --Jaypeepacres (talk) 1:23, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

EP or Sophomore album?

Since after all the discussion, It ended up on a new page, but following Lady Gaga's own statement, it's not an EP, but a sophomore album, so we should put it in the article, instead of saying it's an EP... --Zefron12 (talk) 23:38, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

According to Lady Gaga's own statement it is an EP [1]. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 23:39, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Gaga called it both her second album and an EP, so we need further sources such as Interscope. --Shadow (talk) 05:03, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Personally, I'm waiting on AllMusic to clarify this. Whatever they do, I'll do. Problem is right now, they still seem to think it's a re-release and haven't published the track listing yet. [2] CycloneGU (talk) 17:45, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Wait for Billboard for this. I'm more inclined to think of this as an LP rather than EP, since the EP criteria by OCC denotes no more than 4 songs and 20 mins of track length, hence waiting for BB to clarify again. Allmusic will take it frm BB though. :) --Legolas ^(talk2me) 03:50, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

4 tracks for an EP? I've seen more than one Tori Amos EP that has five tracks on it. CycloneGU (talk) 04:08, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Either of it. 4 tracks or 25 mins track length. That is how OCC decides an EP, but Billboard might have some other rule. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 04:18, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

It has 8 tracks and 32 minutes length, So I think it will be considered an album.... Hope BB/AllMusic clarify us very soon! --201.19.226.158 (talk) 13:07, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

"The New Album" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZvQWcBPEs4 - official commercial —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.252.227.40 (talk) 13:22, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

I think it's an album.. like the first Madonna album(Madonna (album)), with 8 tracks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.117.254.62 (talk) 18:02, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

IT IS NOT AN EP. The confirmation has been made through various radio shows and through a German television programme. Please change it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.186.12.226 (talk) 13:10, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Changed to album

I've changed the page to an "album" for the meantime as that appears to be what consensus has decreed. Please discuss any changes here before making them. Dale 20:33, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Good, the official record label article cited at no.23 confirms this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.238.242.82 (talk) 21:43, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

125.238.242.82, I have indented your comment. Also, feel free to reg. an account if possible. =)

I was one of the ones who originally settled on the EP thing, but since there appear to be many sources stating "album", I will agree. CycloneGU (talk) 02:13, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Gaga stated in an interview that she is releasing the album like Jay-Z released The Blueprint 3 (which is a studio album) so I think it's an album, let's stop wondering over something already confirmed! + The trailer says it's an album so it's an album. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ahmedfarhat (talk • contribs) 20:50, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Lady GaGa is lesbian —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.101.23.193 (talk) 17:28, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

On the release dates can someone change the format for the UK edition as the UK is only receiving the deluxe edition, the standalone album will not get released here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.78.24.54 (talk) 18:41, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

I know. I'm really annoyed about that. I might order the stanard edition from overseas. Sadly, I have no table-fu. -- EA Swyer ^Talk _{Contributions} 15:22, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Billboard magazine labeled "The Fame Monster" as an EP in a recent post about her possible first week sales.. I think it should be changed again into EP. Decodet (talk) 16:41, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Firstly, Billboard have labelled it as an Ep [3] and havent included it in her Albums Discography.

Secondly, its no different to Katy Perry's Re-Release of One Of The Boys. She released One OF The Boys again with a second Disc with new material and remixes (same as The Fame Monster with The Fame but without new remixes) then, for people who already had the album, they released it as a Tour Ep (The Fame Monster EP) so its not the first time its been seperate. Thirdly, Since when has an artist ever released a second studio album as a re-release of the first. They may release it as an EP as well, but never release a second album as part of thier first. Lastly, The Fame Monster is an extended version of The Fame otherwise they wouldnt have said "The Fame with 8 new tracks" but they would have said "The Fame plus her brand new album". Please change it back to an EP, as the first reason (a reference from Billboard) is enough to change the type of album!--Apeaboutsims (talk) 00:53, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

^agreed, billboard say ts an ep, then it is an ep--61.68.181.237 (talk) 03:34, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

it is an EP becuase of all those reasons and billborad has confirmed its an ep. no exceptions, it needs to be changed back. Plus, where did the Cherrytree sessions Ep dissapear too? its an important part of her discograpy and needs to be on here.--Morgan3136 (talk) 04:37, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

it is an ep, as it says on billboard. there is no debating this or voting as what it should be under! please change it back to EP. it was never an album, and never be considered as such. its an EP full stop. thats it. find something else to argue over. this is an EP and it should be mentioned as an EP!--Jackex56 (talk) 04:45, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

The Fame Monster can NOT be labelled as a studio album. It was released as a re-release of The Fame in most countries (it also charted as The Fame in some charts, such as Australia and Ireland). The solo disc, however, was labelled as an EP by Billboard and MTV in the references cited below. I think these reasons are enough. Decodet (talk) 16:55, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

It's a Studio Album, it's also an E.P. Maybe the article should just switch to saying both? SunCreator (talk) 17:02, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

The Fame Monster (the solo disc) is an EP. The Fame Monster (double disc) is a re-release of The Fame, her debut album. But it's not her second album as some of GaGa's articles are saying. Decodet (talk) 17:10, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

"Bad Romance is the first single from Lady GaGa's second album The Fame Monster. " and "The Fame Monster is the second album by Lady GaGa released in 3 different versions." - Top left from Official Lady Gaga site. SunCreator (talk) 17:30, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

That's not her official site, it's just a fansite. However, I checked ladygaga.com and they cite The Fame Monster as "The New Album". It can be treated as her second album but it won't chart in most charts, since it was released as a re-release of The Fame in several countries. Decodet (talk) 17:51, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes at the moment, but only The Fame Monster deluxe edition is available. When The Fame Monster is sold on it's own then it will likely chart in those countries. SunCreator (talk) 17:58, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

If its a new album then why has 'The Fame' been taken off the shelves and off i-tunes? 81.106.148.147 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:51, 9 December 2009 (UTC).

It should be reverted/changed to an EP. If you look at the definition of an EP it is a collection of songs which is two big to be a single but not quite big enough to be a full album. When they advertise the project on tv they refer to it as the next album, an EP! which is available in deluxe edition with a bonus disc containing the fame. stores like HMV also advertise it is a an EP and it was listed under the re-issues section. Lil-unique1 (talk) 03:33, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

I believe there needs to be a vote between album and EP as this issue is very debatable. It states on the fame monster edit page that "CONSENSUS HAS BEEN FORMED ON THE TALK PAGE - DO NOT CHANGE TO EP ANYWHERE IN THIS ARTICLE" however that comment is unfair and untrue as over 50% of the comments on the talk page agree the fame monster should be classified as a EP. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SexyBlondeGuy (talk • contribs) 04:14, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Shouldn't it mean something that the billboard charts reference it as "The Fame Monster (EP)" i find that to be a more reliable source then any contradicting statements made in any interviews Blackballoon222 (talk) 22:21, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Shouldn't it mean something that the billboard charts reference it as "The Fame Monster (EP)" i find that to be a more reliable source then any contradicting statements made in any interviews Blackballoon222 (talk) 22:21, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

For the last time, it's an album!

Here we go again. Lady Gaga has already said that it's her sophomore album. We have proof that it is an album from the artist herself! Also, the focus on whether a recording is an album or an EP depends on length. Anything under 30:00 is an EP, and anything 30:00 or over is an album. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.231.58.192 (talk) 23:14, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

New Promotions

Not sure what or how to do this.
Can you Please add to promotions section
Performing Bad Romance & Speechless on The American Music Awards Nov 22nd 2009
Appearing as a guest & performing Bad Romance on The Jay Leno Show Nov 23rd 2009
Appearing as a guest & performing Bad Romance & Speechless on The Ellen Degeneres Show Nov 27th 2009

Monster=Fourth Single?

Lady Gaga personaly said that she would release 4 singles in the album. And although there's still no real source of a 4th single, rumors say that "Monster" will be the 4th single. And it's suspicious that the Confirmed single and the 2 not yet really confirmed single and the rumored single are all in the fame mons†er trailer. YZJay 23:49, 13 February 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by YZJay (talk • contribs)

She did imply that Speechless would be a single. I have a sense that Alejandro (song) maybe skipped from some countries and we could end up with different releases in different countries. Who knows, it's speculation at the moment. We have only Bad Romance and Telephone for sure and it will likely be many months before things become clear. SunCreator (talk) 23:50, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Not to sound forum-like, "Monster" is not the third single Im afraid. Seems like "Alejandro" it is, although "Speechless" may be the fourth/fifth single. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 10:10, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Here are the singles in order:
1. Bad Romance
2. Telephone
3. Alejandro
4. Dance In The Dark

Yes, Dance In The Dark is the fourth single. I think she posted this list on Twitter. - AndrewOne (talk) 02:53, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

it's kind of dissapointing since lots of people want monster to be the 4th single 120.33.24.74 (talk) 13:51, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

^ i agree. I personally think Monster would have been a better summer song, but if that's what Lady Gaga's confirmed, then that's what we'll have! ...however, i can't find this post on her twitter :S —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.240.3.85 (talk) 19:48, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Please can we remember Wikipedia is not a forum. However it should be noted that nothing is 100% confirmed. there is currently no release date for 'Dance in the Dark' and i cannot verify that she posted that list on twitter.Lil-unique1 (talk) 19:56, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Singles from The Fame Monster

Here are the singles in order:'

1. Bad Romance
2. Telephone
3. Alejandro
4. Dance In The Dark

Yes, Dance In The Dark is the fourth single. She posted this list on Twitter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.231.58.192 (talk) 16:12, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

On her official website, she posted The Fame Monster album trailer with; 1.Bad Romance 2.Telephone 3.Alejandro 4.MONSTER Here is the link that basically says Monster is the 4th single: http://www.ladygaga.com/player/default.aspx?meid=5441 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.82.80.60 (talk) 14:46, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Album covers in infobox

I have combined the two covers into one image in the infobox because, as one is not the primary cover, I feel they should both be represented as the main infobox image. I'm not sure if this was the best idea, so I'm posting here to see if there are any oppositions. –Chase (talk) 20:30, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Strongly opposed - Contrary to the subtitle description, the album is NOT randomly released with either cover- different covers are assigned to different editions; there's absolutely nothing 'random' about that. The alternative covers infobox function addresses this issue perfectly, and I do not see why The Fame Monster would be a special case. Imperatore (talk) 05:52, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

From what I have seen in record stores, the covers are indeed not assigned to special editions. I have seen the blonde cover issued with both the EP and the rerelease, and same with the brunette cover. The only place I have seen that assigns the covers to specific versions of the album is iTunes. –Chase (talk) 14:50, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

OK, my mistake - there is a randomness in the covers. Thanks to the guys over at Gagapedia http://ladygaga.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_international_editions_of_The_Fame_Monster, it seems like the album's native market, the US, got random cover pressing. However, most other Universal Music Group companies outside the US did not go for a randomness it seems. 03:47, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Chase, actually Imperatore is right, its the US which got the mixed album covers. In the opther markets, the first cover is the main cover, with the brunette one as the alternate cover for the combined version. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 03:59, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Did not know that. In that case, I support the revert back to the original version. –Chase (talk) 20:30, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Alejandro Music Video

Does anyone by any chance know when the Alejandro music video is going to be shot? Some say that Gaga asked if David Williams and Lara Stone can be part of the video, but I just thinkt that they said they couldn't work on it.

Also, is Dance in the Dark the last single of The Fame Monster? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.84.74.182 (talk) 18:13, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Concept album?

Lady Gaga has said that all of the songs on the album are themed to various "monsters" associated with fame, and this is mentioned in the article. Wouldn't that make it a concept album? I hate to use Madonna as a comparison (Lady G gets that enough already), but it seems like a similar case as Erotica. Just throwing this out here, I don't think anyone has brought it up yet. The Mach Turtle (talk) 19:58, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

The Fame Monster

Monster song —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.70.58.189 (talk) 11:23, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Please give constructive opinions.Thank you. Lamelylame (talk) 16:45, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Dance in the dark promo single

I made the page for dance in the dark since it was released as a promo single. - RebornRocks —Preceding unsigned comment added by RebornRocks (talk • contribs) 22:04, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Dance In The Dark

Apparently, there was a page for Dance in the Dark . Now though, when I click on it, it doesn't work. It is a promo single, and somewhere below, someone said that it has been CONFIRMED as the fourth single. Anyway, please get this error fixed, because either way, the song will be the fourth and final single off the album. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WorldFantasia (talk • contribs) 22:42, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Australian accreditation for The Fame monster ....

Currently The fame monster holds the #2 spot and has benn certified twice platinum http://www.ariacharts.com.au/pages/charts_display_album.asp?chart=1G50 AriandaGAGA (talk) 18:49, 4 April 2010 (UTC) AriandaGAGA

The Fame Monster has sold

http://2m-online.ru/news/detail.php?ID=5568 The Fame Monster has sold 60.000 (3*platinum) copies in Russian Federation —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rafmaz (talk • contribs) 04:28, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

UK 3rd run??

Could someone please add The Fame Monsters third run at number one this week in the UK. (Alexshunn (talk) 13:29, 13 April 2010 (UTC))

Limited Edition USB Drive

http://www.interscope.com/artist/news/default.aspx?nid=25841&aid=599 Could someone add the tracks to the track listing section? EDIT: never mind. --Sdoo493 (talk) 16:41, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

And just to be a pain the UK release date is May 10th —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.207.130.228 (talk) 20:00, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

GLAAD Awards

In the article is mentioned that Lady Gaga won the GLAAD award BUT the winner will only be announced on the 17th on April. That's tomorrow. She was until now only nominated to the award. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.106.125.190 (talk) 12:17, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Lady Gaga vs Stefani Germanotta.

Should Lady Gaga not be listed as Stefani Germanotta in the track listing? (As shown by BMI Gaga is known and accredited as Stefani Germanotta in songs she rights.)

e.g. Bad Romance → BMI Listing for "Bad Romance"

• Artist = Lady Gaga
• Songwriter = Stefani Germanotta

Lil-unique1 (talk) 16:40, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

The tracklisting shows the listing as per the album liner notes. Hence it should be left as such. However, for the song's coming off as singles, Germanotta is preferred as that is what BMI lists as the songwriter. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 08:10, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying that. Lil-unique1 (talk) 20:01, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 121.220.101.108, 27 April 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} Please fix the track listing of Deluxe / Limited Editions

here's how it should read

1 Just Dance 2 Love Game 3 Paparazzi 4 Poker Face 5 I Like It Rough 6 Eh, Eh (Nothing Else I Can Say) 7 Starstruck 8 Beautiful, Dirty, Rich 9 The Fame 10 Money Honey 11 Boys Boys Boys 12 Paper Gangsta 13 Brown Eyes 14 Summerboy 15 Disco Heaven 16 Retro Dance Freak

121.220.101.108 (talk) 14:25, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

I believe that the current listing is correct, as per the American Deluxe version - for example, see here.

There is a 'hidden comment' within the page, which says, Leave this track listing. Do not change it to the Japan version track listing. This is the U.S. track listing on "The Fame" side. This track listing is what's present on the back of the album in the U.S. .

If you still disagree with this, please reinstate your request, explain the reasoning and provide reliable sources.

I also suggest you get an account, then you can help us improve articles.  Chzz  ►  18:32, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

 Not done

Mexican charts

The Fame Monster just reached second position on the Mexican album charts in conjunction with The Fame. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Axeldarkdreamer (talk • contribs) 03:56, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

rollingstone site updates all its reviews

and now the fame monster receives a four-star, and the fame three-and-a-half, can somebody change that?.. new reviews from rollingstone RainBell (talk) 22:33, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

The Fame Monster has in fact received 3.5 stars, not four like stated earlier. Can someone please change this? [4] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.59.135.123 (talk) 23:58, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

That's the old RS link. Its dead. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 04:09, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Singles from The Fame Monster *Update*

The next single to be released on behalf of Lady Gaga by Interscope, Cherry Tree Records, Kon Live and Streamline Records is "Monster" (as confirmed by a representative and as featured on The Fame Monster's video trailer [available on YouTube]) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.233.112.65 (talk) 20:27, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

No, its original research. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 05:41, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Dance in the Dark is the next single

http://www.zimbio.com/Lady+Gaga/articles/KC6cdT_Wj6u/Lady+Gaga+next+single+will —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yearofthe (talk • contribs) 03:15, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

+ Polish Year-End chart (2009), please add.

http://zpav.pl/rankingi/listy/top100/roczna.php 17th - Fame 2CD (a.k.a. The Fame Monster) 70th - The Fame —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.11.120.87 (talk) 22:28, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

In Germany

The album is charting on its own and has reached only #6 not #1 http://acharts.us/album/52114 (Jivesh boodhun (talk) 07:27, 13 June 2010 (UTC))

Studio album vs. EP

Hate to bring up this issue again, but the previous discussion took place before the album was released and ended shortly after its release. Since then, several publications have referred to this album as an EP:

• Allmusic: "Initially planned solely as a standard double-disc reissue in the wake of the blockbuster success of The Fame, Lady Gaga decided to release the new material as a separate EP called The Fame Monster in addition to the standard two-CD set, where it’s tacked onto a now standardized version of her debut."
• Slant Magazine: "Originally conceived of as a bonus disc for the re-release of The Fame, the eight-song The Fame Monster is now being released as a standalone EP as well. Gaga probably should have tacked on a few more tracks (and if YouTube is any indication, she's got the material), titled the thing Monster, and released it sometime next year as her official sophomore effort."
• Los Angeles Times: "The New York dance-pop diva is even selling the extra tunes as a standalone EP to avoid ripping off early adopters; by major-label standards, that's more value than you shake a disco stick at."
• PopMatters: "The Fame Monster comes in multiple editions, but the main 'Deluxe' version houses not only the new Fame Monster EP, but also the complete original Fame album"
• MTV (quote from Gaga herself): "In the midst of my creative journey composing The Fame Monster, there came an exciting revelation that this was in fact my sophomore album, [...] I would not add, nor take away any songs from this EP."

–Chase (talk) 21:41, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Also, Billboard tracks the album as an EP. –Chase (talk) 00:37, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

I support Chasewc91 on this matter. I tried to bring up this same point earlier but was rail-roaded by mad-fans who claimed that because Gaga said it was her second album it must be her second album. At the very least the infobox should be changed to EP. Regards, Lil-unique1 (talk) 01:59, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

I TOTALLY support this as being recognized as an EP. I mean, that is what this work is, and every media has referred to it as. When I brought it up a while back an editor shot me down just because Gaga had referred to as an album, but an EP is an EP. Candyo32 (talk) 02:15, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Exactly! This can still be called the second album by Gaga if people decide that the case (with support in the references) but as a body of work it is an EP. It by definition is an EP because it is longer than a CD Single but not quite the correct length / composition to be called a studio album. This article misleadingly treats 'The Fame Monster' as an equal body of work to 'The Fame' qualitywise etc. it might we be if not better but based on technical aspects and its composition it is an EP. Regards, Lil-unique1 (talk) 02:21, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

IS dance in the dark really being released?

IS dance in the dark really being released? it says it is on august 31..is it true? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hanksandrewtrail8 (talk • contribs) 00:37, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

It's all fan speculation at this point. I've removed it. –Chase (talk) 02:03, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Russian certification

Can someone add that album reached 4x Platinum in Russia? It was the first time since Madonna's Hard Candy did so. source: http://2m-online.ru/news/detail.php?ID=5645 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.71.167.99 (talk) 21:12, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Monster

"Monster" was sent to US radio. I heard it like 5 times today...Ahmedfarhat (talk) 14:49, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Just because it had airplay, does not mean that it is a single nor deserve an article. Tbhotch^{Talk C.} 17:20, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

all songs on the album except monster and teeth now have pages. if someone is willing to create it, y deleet it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by SexyBlondeGuy (talk • contribs) 07:22, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

"So Happy I Could Die" also doesnot have any article on it. A song needs to pass WP:NSONGS for it to have an article, which these fail. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 05:28, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Album Cover

Who else thinks that the art direction for the "alternate" album cover is mostly simliar to Pet Shop Boys "Release (2002)". Am I the only one who thinks this, they are very simliar like the grey background and the dark undertone with the flower. Most importantly do you think Lady Gaga or the art director Hedi Slimane could be sued sue to copyright issues.--Sprite7868 (talk) 08:55, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

OMG I didn't even realise that he shoots black and white photos. Ultimately, they are alike so, maybe he did the art direction for Pet Shop Boys "Release (2002)". I think it was, for a minute there I thought it was something the art director stole.--Sprite7868 (talk) 09:20, 29 June 2010 (UTC)