Talk:Justin Bieber

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This is NOT A FORUM

Some of these discussions have started to veer to the "forum" zone (some indirectly) which is warned by the statement "This is not a forum for general discussion of Justin Bieber" at the top; just pointing it out a little. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr. High school student (talk • contribs) 23:21, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

North Korea

Isn't he touring North Korea?--FifthCylon (talk) 13:20, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

You know, there's a discussion uptop about that--When Chuck Norris takes a step, all humanity dies and gets reborn again Mr. High School Student 15:16, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

The North Korea part is very Anti-North Korea..... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jacobfrid (talk • contribs) 14:08, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from {{subst:CURRENTUSER}}, 10 August 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} Justin Bieber's "Years active" is supposed to be 2007- present.

Angelpinay8 (talk) 04:04, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

 Done ...thank you for noticing Moxy (talk) 04:12, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Stfuomg, 10 August 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} I would like to make some minor changes to Justin Beiber's Wikipedia page.

Stfuomg (talk) 09:19, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

What changes would you like to make? "Please change X" is not acceptable and will be rejected; the request must be of the form "please change X to Y".  Davtra  ^(talk) 09:23, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

erroneous category???

I noticed he's in the gay musicias category,the rumor has been going around and there is no verification or confirmed source whatsoever, it should be removed, what do you think?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.101.127.41 (talk) 18:38, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Removed. Thanks! –xeno^talk 18:40, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Comment

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In response to this statement "really, unsourced content from an admin?". I was merging an article that was solely about Ryan Butler (which he is clearly not an option) but, considering Butler's considerable presence around Beiber, I thought Butler might warrant a merge instead of a flat out delete (and I'm willing for the ppl who work on this page to hash that out). I suddenly had to leave and couldn't find a refernce, but I think his status at Beiber's best freind is pretty uncontested, so I figured someone would add a ref or something. In reality, I don't care, but I was trying to merge two articles when suddenly I had to run.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 13:24, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

A few things I noticed

I seriously noticed a few things and the way I say them may naturally come off as negative but could someone unbiased could review this and make the nescesary changes, that would be great.

1. As I look through the sources, most if not all seem very pro bieber, and the age is still widely disputed. Something about saturday night live doesn't really seem to be strong enough arms to hold such a heavy load.

2. In the discussion area, it says its in the project for RB Soul music. Its a whole bunch of teen pop bullshit, can someone actually provide a good reason for that

3. I don't know if the little shit actually is gay, but if noone can provide any different pictures where it isn't acting like it thinks it's a homosexual black rapper, the message might be taken the wrong way.

4. Gay music, Death metal, Metalcore, Homocore, Pop, R&B[2][3][4]. From left to right, I must disagree with #2,3, and 6.

5. As I laugh my ass off( seriously it'll hurt whenever I shit from now on) looking through the "Image" section, I notice some wording that could probably be changed.

6.Explanations as to why Bieber has been targeted include his success at such a young age, and ultra-trendy image; Nick Collins of The Daily Telegraph speculated that "Bieber's character also appears to strike a particularly sour note with his internet critics, with many remarks commenting on his youthful appearance, his teen-pop songs, his image as a heart-throb to young teenage girls and his manner of speech".[57] a. Can someone explain what the fuck a heartthrob is? Some sort of lesbian crush? b. "youthful appearance" why not just say it looks it its 12 and sounds like a 5 year old girl "manner of speech" can it just bluntly say it talks like a wigger and has a really really really really high pitched voice. If someone with no prior knowldge about bieber read this article, what would they think was being said? Manner of speech could mean it had a lisp and sounded like a crackhead duck. You cannot alter a quote, so I suggest specifying what some of it meant in a following sentence.

7. And just a few comments after reading the whole article while Im writing here. I hate Obama more knowing it let that little sound terrorist in what is most likely the most powerful single structure on Earth. CSI is ruined for me —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.146.33.239 (talk • contribs) 19:24, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

✗ Not done Please avoid using biased assumptions and making negative comments. None of the things listed will be added or changed. Please dont edit unless they are considered to be constructive, which these are definitely not. - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 00:58, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Criticism

How about putting a note about how many people mock him claiming he has a girly voice. Also you might want to put a note about people accussing him of being gay. and the fact that many people think he's only popular because of his looks and he has no real talent. I am not trying to vandalize the page. i dont think these are real facts, but people always say it and they should be noted as rumors people started. 24.45.87.159 (talk) 16:48, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Already covered in Justin_Bieber#Target_for_criticism_and_pranksters. Also, we don't include rumors per WP:BLP. Theleftorium ^(talk) 17:08, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes but you should at least make a mention of his voice sounding like a girl according to some people because there is no note of that. 24.45.87.159 (talk) 18:17, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

That would be a POV statement...pls see Wikipedia:Neutral point of view.Moxy (talk) 18:19, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Only if it's written as a fact. if written to say many people have that opinion, which facebook can prove true, it is still neutral. 24.45.87.159 (talk) 18:31, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Please read WP:RS. Facebook, twitter, and youtube are not reliable. - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 18:32, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

For facts, Facebook is unreliable. but it does show opinions. the number of groups and pages all with many fans about Bieber's "girly" voice show that it is a common opinion. 24.45.87.159 (talk) 18:35, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Again thats non neutral pov. Its not going to be added. Every person has fans that dislike them, comes with the territory. - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 18:38, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps (24.45.87.159) should read Wikipedia:Manual of Style (words to watch)#Contentious labels as well.Moxy (talk) 18:43, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

This source says "He resembles a sweet spaniel puppy" and "He also still looks about 12 years old." Also mentions the rumour that "He’s gay". There's probably a few others that talk about this. Christopher Connor (talk) 18:50, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Again this our POV ..in fact the editor even makes this clear by saying "With so much media coverage has come scores of associated hoaxes, rumours, spoof sites, fake Twitter accounts and YouTube parodies"Moxy (talk) 18:56, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Why are you so against this? All I went is "high-pitched voice" be added to the list of reasons he is made fun of. 24.45.87.159 (talk) 19:01, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

I would say we are against mention of this until there is a credible source by a well know critic of music who describes his voice in proper musical terms (octave range) - vocal range and Scientific pitch notation.99.240.182.253 (talk) 20:06, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

I do believe that it is mentioned in a neutral manner..i see the article referring to his manner of speech just after all the youthful comments -->"Explanations as to why Bieber has been targeted include his success at such a young age, and ultra-trendy image; Nick Collins of The Daily Telegraph speculated that "Bieber's character also appears to strike a particularly sour note with his internet critics, with many remarks commenting on his youthful appearance, his teen-pop songs, his image as a heart-throb to young teenage girls and his manner of speech Moxy (talk) 22:18, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

That is just about how he talks. People make fun of him because they say he sounds like a girl. That should be under reasons why he is criticized. Of course it'll have to be in better word choice. 24.45.87.159 (talk) 00:00, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

That whole section is disgusting. I myself am in no way a fan of his, but criticizing in that way on wikipedia is undeserved--leave that to urbandictionary. Rumors should not be posted, no matter their degree or severity. It's appalling and bigoted that one would request "he's gay" be added to his list of criticism. Criticism from an expert of pop music? Surely justifiable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.148.65.179 (talk) 23:46, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

In recent clips, such as this one I wouldn't say low pitched but I wouldn't say high pitched either. Yet he seems to have as many "haters" as ever so I don't follow the logic that voice pitch is an issue.Bdell555 (talk) 20:45, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Not knowing "German" — proposals

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was Gossip and trivia closed per snowball and not news. - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me -

Worth documenting I feel, due to the significant coverage making this a notable incident in Bieber's career. I propose something like:

In May 2010, Bieber was involved in an incident over his understanding of the word "German". He was in New Zealand and was interviewed on C4's Select Live by Drew Neemia who asked him the question "Bieber is German for basketball. True or False?" Bieber seemed confused and answered "what?" Neemia repeated the question and showed Bieber the question on a card. Bieber was still puzzled, and replied "German? I don’t know what that means ... We don’t say that in America." The incident became a viral video and lead to accusations that Bieber did not know what "German" meant. Bieber replied on Twitter that he thought that Neemia had said "Jewman", refering to the New Zealander's accent. To prove his point, he linked to a clip of himself counting in German and translating his own name.

Everybody is free to edit the proposal as they please. I hope we can get consensus for its insertion. Christopher Connor (talk) 06:00, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Strong Oppose : HAH, no way. WP:NOTNEWS. "As explained in the policy introduction, merely being true, or even verifiable, does not automatically make something suitable for inclusion in the encyclopedia." "While news coverage can be useful source material for encyclopedic topics, most newsworthy events do not qualify for inclusion." This is the case here, its the same thing as adding he tweeted someones elses phone number for revenge. It made news, but its not relevant. - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 06:05, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Oppose: This is not something that I would see in an encyclopedia. If it was added, the question is, so what? This information is suitable for gossip and fan sites, however.  Davtra  ^(talk) 06:15, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Oppose: Writers on WP (especially those who focus on current pop stars and celebs like this one) tend to forget to write with an encyclopedic view. Pretend we're writing the article from 2020. Should the article provide any details about this item? For the "incident" which is the subject of this thread, the answer's got to be no. Nobody will care, because it is unimportant. Leave this thing out, as well as the water-bottle thing, breaking news about his acne, and any similar non-durable event-lets that will come up while he is walking around and living in the limelight. — JohnFromPinckney (talk) 06:56, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Oppose Oh dear God no. Theleftorium ^(talk) 08:06, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Weak Oppose I am generally an inclusionist but WP:UNDUE weight becomes an issue here if too much time is spent on the myriad reasons why the article subject has so many "haters." Most of these reasons are trivial, gossip magazine material as opposed to encyclopedic. That said, I see potential for using this material as a footnote to a section or sentence on his New Zealand tour in the main body that said NZ was one of his most frustrating stops, or something like that.Bdell555 (talk) 20:52, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

the new picture

the new picture is representative of justin bieber but i cant help thinking there are more current photos of him on the internet... there is room for old insults towards him when pictures like this are on big things like wikipedia and i think there may be better pictures out there. so my request is simple... please, ANYONE, find a better picture of him, one thats a bit more representative of him TODAY! thank you "D xx —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dalsie18 (talk • contribs) 23:50, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

There is nothing wrong with the current picture. And there are not any more free pictures other then the ones we have currently. - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 23:55, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict) It's not as easy as it sounds. If an image is found, the copyright status needs to be determined before use. Are you aware of the copyright policy on Wikipedia?  Davtra  ^(talk) 23:59, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

"More current"? It's from Easter 2010. That's only four months ago. Anyway, the photo's actually quite good. — JohnFromPinckney (talk) 06:36, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Photo is not perfect because subject is not looking at the camera. I think it wins out as the first photo over the New York City photo only because the NYC photo is now almost a year old and accordingly appropriate in the career history section.Bdell555 (talk) 02:13, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Other than the NYC event this is about one of the only other free photos of him. So be thankful we could get one this recent of him. Candyo32 02:39, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Justin's tattoo

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1639469/20100518/bieber_justin.jhtml

This link shows a news item at this time missing on Justin's page. It might be relevant because of the relatively young age of obtaining a tattoo, and the family tradition cited. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tonguepiercing (talk • contribs) 23:24, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Im going to oppose. Its not detrimental to his image or career. It may have made headlines but that doesnt necessarily mean it gets to be added. Its kinda fan facty. Think about his career in 5-10 years and your going to read his biography here, would you really care that he got a tattoo? I dont think so. It would be different if he had multiple tattoos and they were apart of his image. - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 23:32, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Oppose. I don't see any value adding it to this encyclopedia.  Davtra  ^(talk) 23:35, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - extremely trivial. Airplaneman ✈ 23:37, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Incorrect birthplace

This TMZ pdf of the kids birth cert clearly states London, Ontario as the birthplace. Do with it what you will. Sky83 (talk) 13:07, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

I just saw that as well. It should be noted that Stratford is a small community, so it would not be at all unusual for a woman living there to travel to London in order to give birth. A birth certificate indicates the city where one was born, regardless of where one's family lives. So while London would be his place of birth he probably never lived there and went to Stratford with his mother right after he was born. That would still make Stratford a correct place to list as his place of "origin", even if it is not his place of birth. But adding London as his place of birth makes sense too. 99.192.76.85 (talk) 13:48, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

How's that then? –xeno^talk 13:51, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Looks right to me. Is it possible to add a link to TMZ to support the place of birth claim? 99.192.76.85 (talk) 13:58, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Yep, looks fine to me too :). Sky83 (talk) 14:51, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

This would be most beneifical on the IMDb for his listing, since it incorrectly states his birth place as Stratford. But the out-of-controlness has doezens of websites listing he was born in Stratford, so this acturate birth information will just get lost in the wash. I'm from London. Macshill (talk) 20:33, 21 August 2010 (UTC)