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is capital punishment murder by the state?

When capital punishment is legal, it's not murder. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.31.213.187 (talk) 10:51, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This article does not state that. It is morally similar, in that aggravated murder is (usually) cold-blooded and premeditated, and so are executions. It is hard to make the argument logically that they are morally equal, since the suffering caused by one, the execution, does not outweigh that of the crime, except, perhaps, in a botched execution. Since capital punishment is on statute books in jurisdictions where it is practiced, it cannot, by definition, be illegal, unless, of course, it is unconstitutional under state or federal constitutions, in which case it would be an unlawful killing (for instance in Michigan, where the constitution expressly forbids it, or in any other abolitionist states, where there is no statute). --Jatkins (talk - contribs) 20:22, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cost of a death penalty case

It is also claimed that the financial costs of a complete death penalty case exceed the total costs of a lifetime of incarceration. :) But we all know it should be legal.

This is one of the statements most frequently made by death penalty opponents. Is there any systematic study of this? This seems like one of those computations that is subject to infinite fudging based on what is considered to be a cost - for example, are you counting prosecutor's salaries? If so, wouldn't the state be paying that prosecutor anyway? Etc. etc. I'll try to see what I can come up with. Ellsworth 20:56, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)

The state would be paying the prosecutor anyway, but they'd be paying the prosecutor less (in a non-capital case, less/no appeals, no separate penalty phase, etc.). As noted in the article, death penalty supporters claim that the money saved in cases where the threat of death results in a plea bargain and no trial offsets the extra costs incurred in death penalty trials' extra costs and the appeals process. DPIC (anti-death penalty) maintains a resources page on cost differences between LWOP and DP in several states (some of these studies - e.g. the CA one, which estimates costs at $250,000,000 per execution are regarded as inaccurate by DP supporters because these cost averages are attained by dividing the total cost spent on, in this case, CA's death penalty post-Gregg by the number of executions - obviously, amortization would reduce costs).

"But we all know it should be legal."
In 70% of the country, it is. More than 6 in 10 Americans support the death penalty in principle; between 1 in 4 and 3 in 10 oppose it. When the question asks if you prefer LWOP or the DP, the margin is narrow, but most recently the DP is ahead with a solid majority (a 2006 Gallup poll had LWOP and the DP statistically tied - LWOP: 48%, DP: 47%).
--Jatkins (talk - contribs) 15:10, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Execution of minors

The article states that 8 nations allow this, however, I am sure this is out of date. In recent years I believe every nations bar the USA and Somalia have signed a declaration to cease sanctioning executions of minors. Anyone happen to know more? Grunners 05:14, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Actually the article is internally contradictory. In the intro it says the US is only one of two countries that allow the execution of minors. Later in the article under the Execution of Minors area it lists like 8 countries that allow it. I do not know the correct answer, but they both can not be right...

Also with minors, it says in the article that the practice of executing minors ended in February. I thought it was March 1st. The newspapers didn't report it until the 2nd, except online.-LtNOWIS 03:55, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
There should probably be some clean-up with regards to the confusing term "execution of juveniles". I've talked to a lot of people who constantly insist that the US executed people under 18 all the time, and would flat out call me a liar when I countered otherwise. The problem is that human rights groups routinely use the phrase "execution of juveniles" or "execution of minors" to mean the death penalty handed down to someone for a crime they committed WHILE a minor, whereas 99% of those who read their materials believe them to mean the individuals are actually executed when under 18. Perhaps there should be a break-down of the two things "execution of juveniles" could refer, and then list the countries who do each. It is accurate to say that although the U.S. has not executed a juvenile since 1964, it did not bar the execution of prisoners whose crimes were made before their 18th birthday until 2005. — Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])
Plus, pre-Roper v. Simmons (2005) only crimes committed by 16 and 17 years old juveniles could result in death sentences. Thompson v. Oklahoma (1988) held that crimes committed by juveniles when aged under 16 could not result in death sentences, although Stanford v. Kentucky (1989) held that 16 and 17 year old criminals could be sentenced to death. --Jatkins (talk - contribs) 15:18, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

So, EVERY external link is to an organization opposing the death penalty? That doesn't seem very fair, does it? --Davoarid 5 July 2005 16:20 (UTC)

I noticed the same thing when I moved the batch of US subject links here from the main capital punishment article. Please add some pro-death penalty links, although they are much less common on the web. Rmhermen July 6, 2005 04:04 (UTC)

The second largest mass execution- The Molly Maguires?

The article says the second largest execution was 13 black soldiers in Texas in 1917. The articles notes that this and the largest mass execution- that of Sioux Indians- were both of minorities.

Over 20 "Molly Maguires" were hanged in Pennsylvania in 1877-1879 after a series of show trials orchestrated by the railroad companies. This could be the second largest mass execution, if you consider that the railroad companies connected the trials and the defendants together, only that they were executed on different dates. However, on "Black Thursday" in June 1877, 10 of them were executed on the same day in two different prisons. All the Mollies were Irish Catholics, and no irish Catholics served on the juries, so this fits with the wikipedia article's observation about minorities. Does this give the Mollies the sad distinction of being at least the third largest execution in US history? If so, please add it to the article. Rakovsky (talk) 07:25, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

misleading information

this is whats written in the list of execution for solely other crimes: Rioting - Sam Shockley and Miran Thompson on 3 December 1948 in California (Federal execution)

Thing is that Sam Shockley and Miran Thompson were execucted becuase they encouraged their another partner (Joe Cretzer) to kill police guards while attempting escape from alcatraz . So execution was becuase they helped in a murder.

I took their crime from the Espy File which describes it as "rioting". I wasn't sure how realistic that was as a capital crime, especially in 1948. I might do a little more research and see if I can find out the exact crime they were executed for. If it turns out to be plain old murder or conspiracy then they should be removed from the list. And just a small reminder. You should sign your posts by adding ~~~~ at the end of them. This will add your username and date. Evil Monkey∴Hello 21:06, 18 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I've decided to remove this entry and also the one for Victor Feuger for "kidnapping". Although it is described in the Espy File as "kidnapping", he actually murdered his victim as well. Evil Monkey∴Hello 00:43, 19 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I have found sites saying rioting, mutiny or murder. Nothing conclusive though. Rmhermen 21:16, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

Champ Ferguson

Is that fair to say that he was not executed for murder as well? Tfine80 00:04, 1 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The problem I faced was that the crimes listed for certain people are taken from the Espy File. In the case of Champ Ferguson I'm guessing it may be a similar situation to Rainey Bethea who was charged and convicted solely of rape even though he did murder his victim as well. Not knowing the details I can't be sure but Ferguson may have solely been convicted of guerilla activities, and not murder. Evil Monkey∴Hello 00:59, 1 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Factual accuracy over Illinois

I can't find any news reports that say Blagojevich tried to overturn to blanked commutation in Illinois after he became Governor. Evil Monkey∴Hello 03:06, 20 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

1. Lisa Madigan challenged (unsuccessfully) Ryan's commutations.
2. Any Illinoisan knows that Madigan is simply a puppet for Blagojevich and her father, the current head of the Ill. General Assembly. If you're not an Illinoisan, you have no business writing about what happens in IL. In fact, you're not even an American. Confine your writing to New Zealand's death penalty system or lack thereof. (preceding unsigned comment by 24.14.50.182 (talk · contribs) 17:16, 20 October 2005)
That is incorrect. Anyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, regardless of their level of knowledge, provided they edit in good faith. We don't restrict people or make assumptions on their knowledge based on geographical location, age, occupation or any other factor. Your comment is somewhat out of order. Please retract it and apologise. Rob Church Talk | FAHD 22:23, 20 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, thanks for actually providing some more information. I can now find a source that does say in fact Madigan tried to overturn *some* of the commutations. Evil Monkey∴Hello 22:24, 20 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Also, although we now have some source, there are still Peacock terms:
"...most Illinoisans regard..."
"The vast majority of Illinoisans..."
These assertions may very well be true, bit it would be nice to see some hard facts. For instance a poll of Illinoisans on their views on the death penalty, or a figure for huge numbers of letters to the editor. Evil Monkey∴Hello 00:14, 21 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, some research shows that in 2003, 55% of voters in Illinois supported the death penalty.[1] To me that doesn't seem like the "vast majority". Of course this may have changed in the last two years, but now we have some real numbers. Also in the same poll we find that the support for the commutations was about 50/50. Evil Monkey∴Hello 00:24, 21 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Source mis-stated, restitution?

From →Controversy over use of death penalty:

that when life imprisonment without parole and making restitution to the victim are offered as an alternative, a majority of the American public oppose the death penalty (source)

First off, I cannot find in that source (or its linked page) any such statement. The word "restitution" is not mentioned on that page. My attention was first drawn since "restitution" is an absurd concept for a capital case. Also, the source reads "...if life without parole is offered as an option, response is a statistical dead heat: 46% favor the death penalty; 45% favor life without any chance at parole" which is misrepresented by the line above. I'm going to correct it unless someone can find what the line above is supposed to refer to. Demi T/C 23:52, 10 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I've rewritten the whole paragraph to get rid of references to supporters and opponents. Just reporting the facts. Evil Monkey∴Hello 00:06, 11 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Second place

The United States is second only to the People's Republic of China in the number of death sentences passed.

This will need some clarification and a source. According to Amnesty International, Iran performed more executions than the U.S. did in 2004 (and most other years for the past several). And the PRC's executions number way more than a hundred times greater than the number in the U.S. Is it just that more people are sentenced to death in the U.S., but more people are actually executed in Iran? Regardless, we need a source. --Mr. Billion 05:53, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Unclear information

Why was the death penalty taken up again in 1976, even though the Supreme Court had ruled that capital punishment was unconstitutional?

In Furman v. Georgia, SCOTUS struck down the unitary trial laws in Georgia. In Gregg v. Georgia they upheld new laws that split the guilt and punishment phases of the trial. Evil Monkey - Hello 22:52, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Odd sentence

Religious groups are widely split on the issue of capital punishment,[16] generally with more conservative groups more likely to support it and more liberal groups more likely to oppose it.

I would say this is an untrue statement. Roman Catholicism, a highly conservative denomination, is opposed to it as are the Eastern Orthodox Churches, the United Methodist Church, Presbyterian, Episcopal, &c. You can see this in the link supplied (not really a great source), but judging by it it seems that support for the death penalty is the outsider opinion. On that list only some Baptists, Lutheran Church and Latter-Day Saints are retentionist. The divide seems, to me, to be down literalist-symbolic biblical interpretation, and even then it is fuzzy. --Oldak Quill 01:44, 3 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]


On the same topic but somewhat irrelevant: Some solid statistics: 

          1/6th of all convicted fellons to death row are innocent or wrongly convicted.
          1/2 of all people conviceted to death row are realsed after reevaluation
          1/4 of all fellons convicted never even reach death row because of the process they under go

--— Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])

Table

I see you have removed the table I placed (Revision as of 21:26, 2 December 2005) with total execution in the USA by year. You say that there is also a graphic but I think that no one is able, viewing graphic only, to say exactly how many executions there were this year or in 1993. Graphic and table should coexhists. What do You think? -- Armando82, 7 December 2005.

I must underline that Image is not been updated while a table (see My edit) could be easily updated by anyone. -- Armando82, 21 January 2006.

pov text deleted

the following text is hardly a consensus viewpoint.

The Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution states that one shall not "be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law." Essentially stating that once due process has been given, capital punishment is an accepted form of punishment.

Benwing 01:35, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

intraracial vs inter racial

Someone changed, "Because most violence is intra racial." to, "Because most violence is interracial." I've always herd the fromer is true. Just wanted to draw the change to your attention. Mikereichold 04:20, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

According to the source cited in the article it should be the former. Nolamgm 04:36, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]


States that apply the death penalty

According to the top of the page, 36 of 50 states allow the death penalty. According to the bottom of the page, 38 states apply it. Can anyone confirm which is true and fix this?

The discrepancy is due to the fact that two states have a law allowing the death penalty but their state supreme court's have ruled it unconstitutional. Someone recently changed the first number to consider these as states not having the death penalty. Rmhermen 01:04, 20 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The website is devoted to a single execution hundreds of years ago and provides no general information revevant to the bredth of the topic.

NOTE: The previous editor would much rather ignore history and mis-spell words like revevant, and think that he/she is an open-minded scholar.

U.S. presidents and the death penalty

I was reading about the Ricky Ray Rector / Bill Clinton business and that made me wonder how many execution warrants Clinton had signed as governor of Arkansas. Would it be relevant to have either a section of this page or another page about U.S. presidents and capital punishment, stating how many death warrants each one signed as president and/or governor, opinions and statements on the issue of capital punishment...?S.Camus 21:12, 25 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Table of Executions by Jurasdiction

Could whoever added this table provide a source for the information depicted in it? Or perhaps indicate the source in the table, at the bottom or somewhere, so that people can trust it as reliable. Some of the data seems innacurate to me, and it would be nice to know where it came from... Thx. AmiDaniel

The source is the Death Penalty Information Center and is linked at the top beside the date, [2]. Evil Monkey - Hello 04:27, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, sorry I'm blind ... AmiDaniel 06:19, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Suicide Rates

"The suicide rate of death row inmates was found by Lester Tartaro to be 113 per 100,000 for the period 1976–1999. This is about ten times the rate of suicide in the United States as a whole and about six times the rate of suicide in the general U.S. prison population."

This rate corresponds to exactly one suicide for the time period and hardly seems statistically significant given such a small population. The passage here is misleading; it should either note this or be removed. 128.12.195.170 12:37, 27 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No it doesn't, it includes 58 suicides in the study period. The reference is D Lester and C Tartaro, J Forensic Sci. 2002 Sep;47(5):1108-11.[3] (see table 1) It is somewhat misleading in that the overall suicide rate in the U.S. is about 10 - 11 per 100,000, the study uses as a comparison the suicide rate of males over 15, which is around 25 per 100,000 which gives a rate of among death row inmates of more than four times the comparison population. This is a closer cohort but overrepresents early suicide attempts in the general population than the average age of death row inmates would warrant. Rmhermen 15:54, 27 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Crimes Subject to the Death Penalty

I removed the line about how the seperate penalty phase "implied" that it was the same panel of jurors that decided guilt and sentence, since in every jurisdiction it is in fact the same panel. JCO312 19:29, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Witchcraft

I won't remove it untilI know why it is there in the first place. Why does it mention that the person was black in Witchcraft - Black person named Manuel on June 15, 1779 in (present-day) Illinois?

That fact that he is black is why we don't have his last name - he didn't have one. Rmhermen 01:54, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Rmhermen, it was bugging me

Sub-articles

Why polish wikipedia has an articles about Capital Punishment in Alabama, South Dakota, Michigan and Wisconsin, but english has'nt? (moved to bottom of page, Rmhermen 01:54, 22 May 2006 (UTC))[reply]

We have separate articles listing each prisoner executed since 1976 in each state - if that is what you are referring to - you can see these in the See also section or use the links (the number of executions in the table) We also have one separate article for the state with the vast majority of executions: Capital punishment in Texas. Rmhermen 01:54, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Constitution does not grant states the right to execute people

Two things, first this argument about the 5th and 14th Amendments has been made to the Supreme Court on a number of occasions. The Court has never adopted your interpretation, at least not to the degree that you are making it. In Gregg, for instance, the majority noted the language of the 5th Amendment as indicating that the framers contemplated capital punishment as being permissible, but they never read it as an affirmative grant to the states (though I admit they did go as far as saying that the Constitution does not invariably prohibit it). The inclusion of the language from the 5th and 14th Amendments that you quoted is a protection of individuals, not a grant of power. The 5th Amendment also says that "nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb..." Certainly, that can't be read to mean that the government could amputate someones limb? I only point that out for the proposition that the language can't always be read as directly as I think you have. More importantly though, even if the 5th and 14th Amendments do give states the power to execute (I admit this is a colorable argument) it wouldn't mean that the 8th Amendment could nevertheless make the imposition of the death penalty unconstitutional.

Second, you changed the grounds for challenge and removed the equal protection and due process clause arguments. I'm not sure why, since those have been made as well. Frankly, I'm not sure this whole paragraph even belongs in the opening, as it well covered in the history section and strikes me as a little POVish. JCO312 02:27, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think you can make the argument that the 8th prohibits capital punishment without qualifying that argument and making it clear that it is not universally accepted. Both sides can agree that the US Consitution does not forbid capital pubishment. Thus, the argument by some that it does, is not so much an argument as wishful thinking. So, to answer your question, I wouldn't object to removing the paragraph completely. I'm only saying that if the argument involving the 8th is going to be mentioned, it should be balanced by a differing view. But it simply isn't possible to argue that language which grants the protection of due process to any individual facing the loss of "life, liberty or property" doesn't also grant the authority of the state to deprive the individual of said life, liberty or property - provided due-process is observed. --SpinyNorman 04:17, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
"Both sides can agree that the US Consitution does not forbid capital pubishment"

Actually, I'd disagree with that. Despite the 5th Amendment's references to the potential existence of capital punishment ("No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury", "nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law"), These measures are to PROTECT people from certain types of government executions, and does not explicitly establish that capital punishment is ok (the 9th amendment establishes that "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."... and there are some later amendments, (which would take precedence over the 5th anyways), which could easily be constructed to ban capital punishment.

The most obvious is the 8th Amendment. "Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, [b]nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.[b]" Society obviously regards pre-mediated killing as cruel, as it is banned in almost all its forms federally and in all 50 states... and capital punishment is simply a form of pre-mediated killing carried out by the government. I don't see how the fact that it's the government doing the killing makes it any less cruel.

This, of course, like all important rights, applies to the states through the 14th amendment.

Of course, the Supreme Court is unlikely to recognize this at the current time, because almost any potential appointee who is willing to come to grips with the fact that a practice which basically amounts to legalized public lynching is "cruel and unusual" wouldn't be politically viable right now, although a there have been a couple exceptions: Thurgood Marshall, William J. Brennan, and (sort of) Harry Blackmun. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.74.93.108 (talk) 07:54, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

State-by-State list of execution methods/statutes

Is there a list of state-by-state execution methods/statutes both primary and optional? Flibirigit 18:50, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No; however the text gives: "Currently lethal injection is the method used or allowed in 37 of the 38 states which allow the death penalty and by the federal government. Nebraska requires electrocution. Other states also allow electrocution, gas chambers, hanging and the firing squad...From 2001, only 3 out of 273 executions have been by a different method. The last execution by any other method was the use of the electric chair on May 28, 2004..." See also DOJ report for more details. Rmhermen 18:53, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • I just found such a list after surfing several external links.
See list of state-by-state methods of execution.
Are there any objections to incorporating this list into the article Capital punishment in the United States? Flibirigit 19:08, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • As long as it doesn't overwhelm the Methods sections. In the last 6 years, just over 1% of executions have been by an alternate method (not lethal injection) and in the last 2 years, 0%. Rmhermen 19:34, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Prolific usage in Texas

Is there a reason why Texas' rate is so high? Skinnyweed 22:30, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

They include weak representation of defendants (many defendants' state provided attorneys have gone on to be disbarred), pro-prosecution state appellate judges (in a state appeals system that segregates civil and criminal appeals allowing criminal judges to be selected on death penalty preferences), one of the most conservative U.S. Courts of Appeal circuits in the U.S. (the 5th Circuit), the limited pardon powers of the Governor who can only pardon if a board recommends a pardon, substantive law that narrowly reads the insanity defense, and pro-death jury pools and prosecuting attorneys in a handful of highly populous counties (in part due to "death qualification of jurors", in part due to racial balance of jury pools, and in part due to local culture). Also, the numbers are partially high simply because Texas is the highest population Southern death penalty state. Ohwilleke 03:38, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Many reasons. The death penalty is very popular in Texas - it is far less controversial than in the country as a whole (there is opposition, which comes from Austin). Texas is the second largest state, after California, which has the death penalty, and before New York, which doesn't (it has a statute, which was ruled unconstitutional and has never been used - the last NY execution was in 1963), so it is by definition likely to have more executions that other states (it isn't number one in per-capita executions). As Ohwilleke notes below, there is far less opposition to the death penalty in the Texas state judiciary and circuit courts than California (e.g. the 9th Circuit) or New York (e.g. the 2nd Circuit). --Jatkins (talk - contribs) 14:03, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Also, Governor Rick Perry wouldn't sign a death penalty pardon if his life depended on it.173.184.16.211 (talk) 05:31, 9 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

New York has abolished death penalty

According to this site I came across, NY still has the capital punishment existing: http://www.geocities.com/trctl11/state.html As far as I know the state abolished capital punishment for all crimes in 2004? Can anyone clarify if the city still has CP? If not, then they're the 13th state in the union to fully abolish capital punishment and should thus the page on CP in the USA be adapted.

The site you came across is just outdated. The New York Court of Appeals (the highest court in NY) declared the death penalty unconstitutional in 2004. JCO312 18:40, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No, the court ruled the death penalty law unconstitutional (it was the state's jury instructions that were found unconstitutional).[4] A new law could still be written which provided for capital punishment (although its constitutionality would probably be tested). Rmhermen 23:24, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Fair distinction I suppose, point being that at the moment, it's unconstitutional in NY. JCO312 18:43, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The NY death penalty law has been reinstated, taking effect as of September 1, 1995, and they created a Capital Defenders Office as well. Arcturis 17:37, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
No, it hasn't. It was found to be unconstitutional in 2004, and an attempt to reinstate it last year failed. The info you have is outdated. JCO312 18:39, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

New York's last remaining death death row inmate was commuted to Life in Prison after the State's highest court ruled in October that an exception cannot be made to the courts 2004 ruling that the death penalty statute is invalid. Therefore, NEW YORK HAS NO DEATH PENALTY AND THE ARTICLE NEEDS TO BE UPDATED. New York should be changed to blue on the map, and it should be taken off the list of death penalty states and added to the list of abolitionist states. Legally, New York is in the same situation now as New Jersey or Massachusetts in regards to the death penalty. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lazerbeams (talk • contribs) 16:51, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

see here http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=121 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lazerbeams (talk • contribs) 03:12, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Legally it is in the same position as Massachusetts, but not New Jersey. New Jersey has legislatively abolished the death penalty, while Massachusetts and New York do have death penalty statutes but they have been ruled unconstitutional by state courts, thus resulting in de facto judicial abolition. Also, neither New York nor Massachusetts have death rows or death chambers, and state-level death sentences are no longer sought in either state. For MA or NY to be in the same position as NJ, their legislatures will have to act to repeal the statutes or modify them to non-capital statutes. --Jatkins (talk - contribs) 14:11, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kansas

Kansas's death penalty statute is once again constitutional, thanks to the recent decision in Kansas v. Marsh. Can someone fix the map? ---Axios023 04:58, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Moving current execution data

I am thinking of moving the modern executions data into a template so that the frequent updates of the totals is kept separate from the changes to the actual text of the article. It would also result in an article slightly easier to edit as it wouldn't begin with a large block of mostly code as it does now. One drawback is that those following this page will need to keep two pages on their watchlists. Unless there are complaints I will do this in a couple days. Rmhermen 21:50, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Fair warning. I have moved that to Template:US executions. Rmhermen 18:41, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Presidents and the death penalty

Is or was any U.S. President opponent of capital punishment? I think this is very important 83.24.195.81 22:53, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Carter opposed juvenile executions - well after he was in office though -as governor of Georgia he had signed Georgia new death penalty law after the old law was overturned in 1972. That was all I could find. Rmhermen 18:46, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Many presidents have authorized state or federal executions at one time or another (either as Governor or President).
  • Some of the founding fathers opposed the death penalty (Thomas Paine, etc.), as a result of which did some early presidents.
  • Lincoln authorized the death penalty on certain occasions but with restraint [from Abraham Lincoln: "In 1862, Lincoln sent a senior general, John Pope, to put down the "Sioux Uprising" in Minnesota. Presented with 303 death warrants for convicted Santee Dakota who were accused of killing innocent farmers, Lincoln ordered a personal review of these warrants, eventually approving 39 of these for execution (one was later reprieved)."]. He prevented the execution of a 14 year old soldier in the Civil War.
  • Some sources suggest Clinton was a former opponent but changed sides during the '92 campaign.
  • A questionnaire Obama may/may not have filled out [5] when campaigning for Illinois Senate stated his opposition.
  • Like Rmhermen has noted above, Carter is now a death penalty opponent (I believe in all cases - not just juvenile - but I'll need a source for that).
  • There's a quote supposedly from James Madison: "I should not regret a fair and full trial of the entire abolition of capital punishment." Another supposedly of Jefferson paraphrasing a French death penalty abolition: "I shall ask for the abolition of the punishment of death until I have the infallibility of human judgment demonstrated to me."
  • It's important to remember the history of the two parties' ideologies - the Democratic Party formerly the Jacksonian democracy/states rights party and the Republican Party formerly progressive / classical liberal / abolitionist - as such if you look up the history of some states which abolished the death penalty in the 19th century, you can find Republican legislators spearheading death penalty abolition - an example being Congressman Newton Martin Curtis (R-NY) (1835-1910) - cited in an August 7, 1898 New York Times article as a "vigorous opponent of the death penalty" (direct PDF link to article).
  • JFK and President Clinton have commuted death sentences at the federal level (i.e., while President). IIRC, Reagan and Bush 43 each commuted a single death sentence as Governor.
In short, the history of US Presidents and the death penalty is complex and varied. My general guess is that a large majority favored or at least carried out the death penalty, but there is certainly a contingent of opponents who served as Commander-in-chief. --Jatkins (talk - contribs) 17:24, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism

This page has been vandalised. I can not revert it. 82.40.75.55 23:49, 22 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

PS. I SWEAR i did not do it (check the IP addresses if you must)

Fixed it, should this be locked for edeiting by unregistered users? 82.40.75.55 23:50, 22 November 2006 (UTC) (again)[reply]

Uh, I don't know what you're talking about, since the last edits were not by you (in fact, if this is the only IP address you use, you haven't edited on this page, at least not recently). As far as the suggestion that the page be locked to prevent unregistered users, are you sure that's what you want given that you're an unregistered user. JCO312 00:52, 23 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

D.C. executions

Washington D.C. is a federal district, but executions in Washington weren't listed as federal executions in the Espy Files. Witch authority had right to commutation death sentences when D.C. retained Capital Punishment? The President? City Officials? Congress? Or others? 83.24.251.212 19:00, 13 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The District of Columbia does not have capital punishment at present. Were it to adopt it, the President would be the person with the power to pardon or commute a sentence. JCO312 19:10, 13 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. As I recall, in the George John Dasch Nazi saboteur case in WW II they specifically tried the case by military commission in D.C., so that Rooseveldt (who wanted the saboteurs executed as examples) WOULD have the power of commutation and appeal review. And could choose not to exercise it. Six saboteurs died with military precision, one following another, in the D.C. jail electric chair. I bet most people didn't even know the D.C. jail ever had an electric chair. SBHarris 19:49, 13 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
To be fair, those trials, although physically conducted in the district, were not conducted in the D.C. court system. The President also has sole authority to pardon military convictions. JCO312 19:54, 13 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well, Nazi Spies execution were military or federal. But would President pardon of commute a sentence of people who were sentenced to die not under Federal or Military law, but D.C. court system? 83.24.235.89 15:11, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Again, right now, there is no capital punishment in D.C. Nevertheless, only the President can pardon offenders convicted in the D.C. court system, for any offenses. JCO312 15:59, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Alaska

The map states Alaska as having a death penalty. Incorrect; there is no death penalty in Alaska.65.74.76.143 22:43, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Map removed and mapmaker asked to improve it. Rmhermen 03:46, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Ross

In the section labeled "Crimes subject to capital punishment" it says: "The most recent executions solely for other crimes other than homicide were, respectively: Rape - Ronald Wolfe on May 8, 1964 in Missouri". Wasn't Michael Ross executed for rape in 2003/2004? I don't remember if his charge was just rape or rape and homicide, but I just wanted to let you guys know.--LF2 01:11, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

He was a serial killer and was convicted of killing 4 of the 8 people he had confessed to murdering. (http://crime.about.com/od/deathrow/p/michael_ross.htm) JCO312 01:38, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Crude Vandilsm

I found this vandilsm in the article

"which explicitly forbade any state from punishing a specific form of murder (such as that of a police officer) with a mandatory death penalty. If you murder a police officer, you should go strait to death row!!"

its just annoying, so dont do it. 71.225.106.138 20:02, 31 May 2007 (UTC)earthgirl89[reply]

"Found" it? Do you realize we have edit histories? You (or somebody using the same computer and spelling as poorly) added it 4 minutes before you reported "finding" it.[6] Thanks for removing it again. PrimeHunter 00:08, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

South Dakota's first execution in years!

I read in the newspaper that South Dakota has carried out the first execution in 60 years! And it happened last night! You should look all over the Internet to find out more, okay? --Angeldeb82 23:20, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Something new

Thought this might interest you. If anyone's editing this article at all. US seeks quicker death sentences at The Guardian. Seegoon 19:56, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Death Row Table

In the table "Capital punishment since 1976, by jurisdiction", having a column called "death row inmates" seems to imply that this is the number of inmates who have been on death row since 1976. According to the linked source, however, this is actually the number of current death row inmates. This should be made clear somehow, whether by renaming the column or the table. --Chrismith 17:21, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

why does new york state have "1" person on death row if it has abolished the death penalty? please can some on fix this? thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nitramwin (talk • contribs) 00:16, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The footnotes for this table don't tie in. Within the table footnotes are labeled 2 to 6, where the footnotes below are shown correctly as 1 to 5. In addition, I couldn't find the edit link for this table.--77.103.197.54 (talk) 20:55, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Gibbeting

The text seems to imply that gibbeting was used as an actual method of execution? If this is so, I'd like to see some form of source for this, as gibbeting NORMALLY would be a punishment placed upon the body AFTER death, to wit placing the corpse in a hanging cage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.22.238.224 (talk) 12:02, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Information on executed people

Category:Lists of executed people lists people executed in the United States. Wikipedia:Notability (people) has some guidelines on what "notability" means. Depending on interpretation, the single event of having killed someone and having been executed for that may or may not constitute "notability". In fact, I have seen several articles on executed individuals that received the notability template. I don't wish to start a discussion here on whether an executed person is notable enough to get an article, I'm just looking at it from a practical point of view: More than 1,000 people have been linked now in those lists (Category:Lists of executed people) and I doubt that even a substantial fraction of those individuals will get an article any time soon, let alone ever. Again, this is not a discussion about whether someone "deserves" an article. I just think that, with so many links in those lists to non-existing articles, maybe "we" should at least include some more details in those lists. Things like "age when executed", "age when crime that got them condemned committed", and links to external articles. Then, at least if the names are no longer being linked, more information still is available, while at the same time providing information in case articles ARE being created. Any thoughts? wjmt 01:00, 14 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

controversiality

The first sentence says that capital punishment in controversial in most of the world - but it really isn't in many places where it has been abolished - e.g. the whole of Europe, most of the Commonwealth, etc. Maybe this should be changed? Wikidea 22:03, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree--Timtak (talk) 12:33, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I agree wholeheartedly. To approach the matter more academically the United States should be compared to "the developed world". On the matter of capital punishment in the developed world the United States are lagging pathetically behind and should be ashamed of themselves.220.238.210.199 (talk) 09:55, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New Jersey is set to abolish capital punishment!

I've got some news: New Jersey is set to abolish the death penalty! More on this link here. --Angeldeb82 (talk) 20:22, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Here's more news: N.J. Legislature votes to end death penalty --Angeldeb82 (talk) 00:14, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

N.J. finally abolishes capital punishment

New Jersey has finally abolished capital punishment today! More info on the story here --Angeldeb82 (talk) 17:34, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As if executions for murder weren't bad enough

Now executions for rape are getting worse and worse; Patrick Kennedy was sentenced to death for rape, though he wasn't directly involved in the rape. But all is not lost yet. The court will hear the Kennedy vs. Louisiana case on whether or not executions of child rapists are unconstitutional. Here's the link if you wish to add more. --Angeldeb82 (talk) 20:53, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Are there any statistics for estimations of murders prevented?

Criminals convicted of life sentetences for murder sometimes go on to murder again after their release. How many lives have been lost as a result of murder by such released criminals? (I am not generally in favour, since I don't believe that it works as a deterrent and don't agree with the other justifications but, if it actually prevents, by preventing released criminals from committing murder again then I might change my mind) --Timtak (talk) 12:35, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How can one be "released" if they are serving a "life sentence"? --85.108.119.85 (talk) 09:02, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If the prisoner is serving life with parole they may be paroled after a certain amount of their sentence has been served. --Jatkins (talk - contribs) 15:13, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

DR Numbers

Can someone update the numbers of inmates on death row? The numbers there now are out of date or simply incorrect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smb2a (talk • contribs) 03:17, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Has anybody else noticed that the "state-by-state methods of execution" link opens a porn website? Butcam (talk) 18:35, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I tried opening the link to the Death Penalty Information Center at www.deathpenaltyinfo.org, but it ends up getting infected by spyware! Anyone else have this problem? --Angeldeb82 (talk) 22:59, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I now get the spyware infection too. Butcam (talk) 04:47, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No, it works fine for me. Maybe they were hacked? This link needs to be there as it is used as a source for statistics in several parts of the article. Rmhermen (talk) 05:06, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Landmark Current execution

With bated breath, hours just hours, before the first execution in Georgia will be... if if if there is no reprieve, so I added this landmark ...Without reprive or stay from courts or the President, Georgia's William Earl Lynd, 53, will be the first to have the lethal injection at 7 p.m., of May 6, 2008 since the September stay. 3 dozen states, including Georgia, used a similar method / three-drug injection. Besides Georgia, Mississippi scheduled on May 21 the execution for Earl Wesley Berry, while Texas set on August 5, the execution of Jose Medellin, 33, Mexican-born convict. Lynd has a pending appeal for stay before the Georgia Supreme Court, but had already selected his final meal: two pepper jack barbecue burgers with crisp onions; two baked potatoes with sour cream, bacon and cheese; and a strawberry milkshake.ap.google.com, Ga. execution would be first since Supreme Court rulingwww.reuters.com, U.S. set for first execution since end of moratorium --Florentino floro (talk) 10:51, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The list of moratoria is a list of times when executions were stopped, not a list of people who were executed after the moratorium was ended. Much less a list of their last meals. maxsch (talk) 15:26, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Recruitment of executioners

Please expand the article with information about how the states and the federal government recruits execution officers. /Yvwv (talk) 18:29, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Error in the data

http://www.bop.gov/about/history/execchart.jsp has a list of federal prisoners who were executed, and aren't included in the list here. Amsibert (talk) 14:36, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No error at all. Our infobox here only shows "modern era" executions (those post-1976). Which is 3 for the federal government. more information is at Capital punishment by the United States federal government. Rmhermen (talk) 18:48, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pro-death penalty comments in AIUSA's anti-death penalty website blogs

Amnesty International USA used to be a good website, until it is polluted by racist pro-death penalty activists spewing hateful comments and garbage in its Death Penalty blogs shown here. I thought the website was anti-death penalty! What happened to it?! --Angeldeb82 (talk) 23:04, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You know what? Screw the AIUSA "Death Penalty" blogs, because they are all filled with too many comments from too many pro-death penalty people who only believe in "an eye for an eye" and that the death penalty is a "deterrent that brings justice and closure, and the low-cost, ultimate, final solution". Though I'm anti-death penalty, I've decided not to join the website (which was supposed to be anti-DP) to avoid more insulting comments from too many DP supporters. I quit. --Angeldeb82 (talk) 17:00, 15 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Table

How do you update the table for number of executions? It does not reflect today's Cooey execution in Ohio. Czolgolz (talk) 18:50, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The box is rarely exactly up-to-date with 60 or so executions a year. I just added a view/edit/talk line to the template that contains the information so that it can be accesssed more easily. Please update the entire box from the quoted source each time you change it. Rmhermen (talk) 21:36, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
There are currently 17 executions not included in the box. Rmhermen (talk) 21:46, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I went through and updated everything. Czolgolz (talk) 22:20, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

federal crimes

can someone be given the death penalty for a federal crime and if so can this happen in states that don't have the death penalty for state crimes? Plugwash (talk) 21:03, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, they can - as discussed in this article and in Capital punishment by the United States federal government. Federal crimes are tried in federal courts so the states they occur in is mostly irrelevant (except for allowing a choice of execution methods allowed in the state the crime occured in). In practice all of the recent federal executions have occured in Indiana and have been lethal injections. Note that there have been only 3 federal executions in the past 45 years although there are currently 55 people on federal death row. Rmhermen (talk) 21:08, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Idaho Death Penalty

Idaho is one of the few states in this country that has HANGING still legal. What do you think about hangings still legal? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.83.66.24 (talk) 23:32, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hanging is no longer a method of capital punishment used in Idaho. It was lasted used in the US in 1996, in Delaware. Until July 1, 2009,[7] when the Governor signed legislation standardizing Idaho's lethal injection procedure and making it the sole method, execution by firing squad was an alternative method of execution in Idaho (last used in the US in 1996, in Utah). The only states with hanging still on the books are New Hampshire and Washington.[8] --Jatkins (talk - contribs) 15:44, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mississippi Supreme Court Justice: Death Penalty is Unconstitutional

Mississippi Supreme Court Justice Oliver Diaz, said on December 11, 2008, in Doss vs. Mississippi, that the death penalty is unconstitutional. More info can be found on the link here. --Angeldeb82 (talk) 22:23, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

His dissent is not uncommon among judges nor likely to have any effect on the state's laws, and so is not important to this article at this time. Rmhermen (talk) 22:49, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New Hampshire

I dont know what this info will do for this article but....

"The death sentence ordered for Michael Addison is the state's first in half a century"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28298184/

^ Source: MSNBC news

Knowledgekid87 14:17, 19 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I used it to update the Capital punishment in New Hampshire article. Rmhermen (talk) 20:40, 19 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Youre welcome, I do what I can to help =). Knowledgekid87 14:46, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New Mexico has abolished the death penalty!

New Mexico governor Bill Richardson, after weeks of many struggles with the death penalty issue, has finally signed a bill abolishing capital punishment into law! So the US states with capital punishment are now down to 35 today! Story here. --Angeldeb82 (talk) 02:39, 19 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

March 18th changes

Added New Mexico to the list of States banning the death penalty (with source). Cleaned up the first run-on sentence to more clearly define that the death penalty is only used against civilians in cases involving death (with source), in the military for various offenses, and for crimes against the state. That second sentence is still a mess though... AStudent (talk) 02:41, 19 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There's more: Amnesty International Applauds Governor Bill Richardson for Abolishing New Mexico's Death Penalty. --Angeldeb82 (talk) 16:54, 19 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Is applied rarely" (?)

The opening sentence of this article says that capital punishment is "applied rarely." Huh? There are very few nations on earth that use capital punishment as much as the U.S. In fact, much of the world has banned it entirely.

Relative to the United States, it is rarely the resultant punishment for murder - roughly one in 300 murders results in an execution. --Josh Atkins (talk - contribs) 20:46, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Error on Massachusetts Death Penalty Status

According to the current image Massachusetts is displayed as blue, meaning that the state has no death penalty statute. This is incorrect as the state still has the laws on the book, it is just in the same boat as New York because the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court ruled the statutes unconstitutional in 1984. The image needs to have Massachusetts with the light green color which means it was simply declared unconstitutional. The laws can be seen here: MGL, Part IV, Title 1, Chapter 265, Section 2 http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/265-2.htm, and the method of death and specific procedures in a death penalty case can be seen in MGL, Part IV, Title 1, Chapter 279 (entire chapter). comment added by Ncrown23334 (talk • contribs) 16:13, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. I've updated Template:US executions to reflect the unconstitutionality of the MA and NY statutes. Josh Atkins (talk - contribs) 20:02, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Is the Institute for the Advancement of Criminal Justice a reliable source?

Despite their imposing name, their page, cited for two sets of statistics in the article, provides no sources of its own and reads, generally, more like an impassioned essay than a reliable source of information. (It is source 78, at the moment.) Is this a reliable source for those figures? --Aquillion (talk) 13:04, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think it qualifies as a reliable source to be used as a citation. However, it can probably be included in external links under pro-death penalty. The argument can (and is) made that DPIC is exhibits an anti-death penalty bias rendering it unreliable (of course, we can cite it for facts such as lists of executions, murder rates, etc.) - but it is listed under anti-death penalty so its inclusion (at least there) is acceptable.
The IACJ link is terribly biased. It states that one professor's findings as conclusive evidence that the death penalty has a solid deterrent effect - ridiculous. It then quotes another professor "of course, the death penalty deters some crimes" (of course - so does life imprisonment). It's also a little out of date on the innocent execution question - it was published before Dr. Beyler's report and the subsequent New Yorker article on Cameron Todd Willingham, who may have been innocent).
However, like with DPIC, if they have articles which are mere factual lists then there's nothing wrong with that.--Jatkins (talk - contribs) 15:28, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Contradictory legends on the map

Anybody else notice that the map image itself has a legend, and then directly below it in the image caption there is another, completely different legend? 122.111.95.213 (talk) 12:08, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Which map are you referring to? File:Death penalty statutes in the United States.svg uses stripes on some states (e.g. NY, MA, NM). --Jatkins (talk - contribs) 15:49, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think I see what you are referring to, if indeed File:Death penalty statutes in the United States.svg is the image you are looking at. The "legend" on the image itself is not a legend, but in fact shows the colors for the three groups which can impose capital punishment but are not technically states: Washington DC, the federal government, and the US Military. The colors in the boxes are not giving a legend for the other states; rather they apply to the same legend as provided in the caption. Dylan (talk) 21:09, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Who may/shall/must witnesses an execution

An information that is missing in the article: Who is allowed/supposed to witness the execution (probably, I guess, relatives of the victim(s) and the delinquent)? Is witnessing the execution mandatory for some involved people like, e.g. relatives of the victim(s) or, in case of surviving the crime (e.g. an attempted murder), the victim him/herself in some states of the U.S.? If not, do they have to apply for witnessing, are they usually invited, or what is the standard procedure of witness selection?--SiriusB (talk) 21:50, 28 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There have been cases where there were both fatalities as well as survivors, and one of more of the attempted murder victims has attended the execution (such as a January 2009 execution in Texas, where a survivor who was shot and set ablaze in a crime which left three dead attended the execution). It varies considerably between the different death penalty states, though (all?) allow victims' families to attend and many allow defendants' families to attend. --Jatkins (talk - contribs) 14:34, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Are there any cases known where survivors or relatives of killed victims had been forced (either by law or by their attorneys, relatives, the public etc.) to witness the execution? Or would such thing directly collide with the constitution of the U.S. (which, on the other hand, does not seem to contradict the mandatory gun ownership in Kennesaw)? Furthermore, have there been cases where surviving victims have campaigned against death penalty in general or against the execution of the (attempted) murderer in particular?--SiriusB (talk) 09:35, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know of cases where survivors or relatives have been forced to attend, and a Google search isn't very revealing, but I do know of cases where relatives have chosen not to attend ([9]: "McLauchlin's parents, who live in Live Oak, Fla., chose not to attend the execution but were represented by North Charleston police Sgt. Ray Garrison, one of the lead investigators on the case."), and have always presumed it was voluntary. --Jatkins (talk - contribs) 20:41, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ah thanks. What might still be interesting (also for this article, I hope) would be some info or statstics about the fraction of victim's relatives or surviving victims(*) who themselves oppose death penalty even after becoming victum and even appeal for clemency?
(*Could even attempted murder of a single victum lead to capital punishment, if the attempted murderer acts in a very cruel way, e.g. by raping or torturing the victim (like in the Marc Dutroux case, who, however, was also convicted of murder), and if the survival of the victim was just luck? Or does the 2008 decision of the supreme court ultimately require at least one dead victim for a death sentence?)--SiriusB (talk) 12:37, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
From what I understand, the 2008 Kennedy decision, like you say, limited capital cases to those involving the death of the victim(s), as far as crimes against individuals are concerned (as opposed to crimes against the state, e.g. treason). I don't know of statistics for murder victims' families who oppose the death penalty, but there are several organizations founded by murder victims' families who have become anti-death penalty activists - Murder Victims' Families for Reconciliation and Murder Victims' Families for Human Rights, for example. --Jatkins (talk - contribs) 18:25, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thought you might be interested:[10][11]


--Jatkins (talk - contribs) 18:30, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the links. I guess that 'Murder Victims' Families for Reconciliation' would be worth adding it to the Weblinks, wouldn't it?--SiriusB (talk) 10:24, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Major cleanup required

I don't have the time right now, but this article needs a major cleanup. There's a lot of important information, relevant charts, and useful citations, but the composition of the article is a mess, some information is repeated, and it is excessively long and requires some further wikification. --Jatkins (talk - contribs) 17:30, 24 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]


I agree. A lot of the sourced statements are sourced disreputable sources with serious biases. 72.66.69.69 (talk) 21:22, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Controversy

One of the primary arguments against the death penalty is missing: it can't be reversed. As for a source, the Virginia ACLU agrees in "Unequal, Unfair and Irreversible The Death Penalty in Virginia" which can be found at http://www.acluva.org/publications/deathpenaltystudy.pdf 173.184.16.211 (talk) 05:54, 9 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It is included in the article:
These figures are of course based on the DPIC list, which death penalty opponents generally embrace and death penalty supporters generally criticize (often claiming it is misrepresented as a list of proven innocents rather than mere legal acquittals or dropping of charges). A New York Times article from 2005 stated that Jed S. Rakoff, a Manhattan federal judge who had ruled the death penalty unconstitutional, had analyzed the DPIC list and found 32 factually innocent exonerees:"A Legal Quest Against the Death Penalty", January 2, 2005
--Jatkins (talk - contribs) 20:44, 9 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Utah - firing squad

Utah is listed as "only lethal injection" in that graphic, however Ronnie Lee Gardner is sentenced to death by firing squad in Salt Lake City. CNN article --zandperl (talk) 02:16, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Inmates conviced before a certin date were given the option of dying before a firing squad or lethal injection. A new law was passed in favor of just lethal injection and all inmates convicted after that date now die through lethal injection. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 02:30, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've changed the map color for Utah because like you state the 2004 law still allows some inmates after Gardner to face the firing squad, and it's consistent with the color-coding used for New Mexico, which has abolished the death penalty for crimes after July 1, 2009, but retains it for earlier crimes, which is color-coded as using lethal injection as its primary method. --Jatkins (talk - contribs) 12:48, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Executions since 1976

The table of executions since 1976 should probably contain the per capita numbers and be arranged in that order, rather than in order of raw numbers of executions. If anyone cares, the per capita numbers to 2009 can be found here:

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/state-execution-rates —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hoplophile (talk • contribs) 11:22, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think executions per capita, at least as calculated by DPIC, is useful information. DPIC has calculated the executions based on the number of executions since 1976 in each DP state divided by the estimated 2008 populations of each DP state, times by 10,000 (e.g. (89/3,642,361)*10,000 ~ 0.244 for OK), meaning that the result is executions per capita per 34 years, not executions per capita per year, which would be a more useful statistic. To get that you could work out the average number of executions per year for each state since 1977 (though the moratorium was lifted in 1976, the first execution wasn't until January 1977) divide it by the average population from 1977 to present, and times by 10,000 to get executions per capita per year, thought that might be considered original research. Anyway, I think the basic idea of adding per capita rates, or replacing the cumulative rates with per capita rates entirely, is the best way to go. --Jatkins (talk - contribs) 12:26, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
If you're interested, the 2009 population estimates are here: http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/index.html and DPIC has a post-1976 execution database here: http://deathpenaltyinfo.org/executions (the number of executions is sometimes obscured by a horizontal rule; you might have to view the source of the page to get the number). --Jatkins (talk - contribs) 12:29, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sexism

Between 1 Jan 1973 and 30 Jun 2009, 8,118 people were sentenced to death in the USA. Of those, 165 were women - one in 49. There were 1,168 executions, of those 11 were women - only one in every 106. Yet women commit up to 12% of capital murders - one in 8. Source: Victor Streib.

So why aren't 1 in every 8 executions of women? Could it be sexism? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.197.15.138 (talk) 07:23, 23 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Call it Gender Bias and compare: Thad Rueter: Why Women Aren't Executed: Gender Bias and the Death Penalty , Human Rights, Fall 1996, Vol. 23, No. 4, p.10-11. online Fall 1996 Human Rights Magazine.--Max Dax (talk) 08:16, 23 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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