Talk:Lauren Harries

year of Wogan appearance

The Guardian article states Harris appeared on Wogan in 1990 for the first time. Allen's documentary says 1988. 1988 feels right to me, since I remember it very well and I would have been 16 in 1988, and I'm sure I wouldn't have been 18 when I forst saw her. --bodnotbod 23:31, Jun 28, 2004 (UTC)

Poor kid. This thread on UKPFC_Forum might be worth reading [1]. Morwen - Talk 23:37, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Yeah, she never really stood a chance with that family. --bodnotbod 23:59, Jun 28, 2004 (UTC)

"Eventually Lauren realised she was a transsexual." Surely it was James who realised this? Mysteronald 23:37, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)

BLP dispute

There's a large amount of unreferenced material here, some of which is potentially controversial.--h i s ^{s p a c e} _{r e s e a r c h} 03:38, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

all dodgy BLP claims gone for now :) special, random, Merkinsmum 00:29, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

There is nothing more controversial that Lauren herself, I'm afraid. I'm kind of annoyed the entry about her constant media lobbying and self-publicising cannot be listed. These are clear facts. She is contantly fame seeking. Is this not worthy for inclusion? Hardylane (talk) 02:00, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

age on wogan

Sme reliable sources say ten [2], others say twelve [3] so I don't know which. If the first wogan appearance was when her date of birth makes it ten or eleven, obviously that's the age she was. But I don't know. What do you all think? special, random, Merkinsmum 17:26, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh dear. Seems she was born in 78 but the critical question is whether she appeared on Wogan in 88 or 90, the BBC pic looks like she was 10 (IMO) but that is original research. Thanks, SqueakBox 17:45, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

The Independent says he was 12 which would make it 1990. Thanks, SqueakBox 17:54, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

although some of the sources listed may be abstracts/starts of articles

Enough of them is shown to verify each of the facts concerned, which is why they're being used. special, random, Merkinsmum 11:41, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

The link http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-29092583_ITM is now broken. Jonknight73 (talk) 15:54, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

categories

if only there were an Anglo-Welsh Transexual Buddhist category 86.163.254.9 (talk) 16:54, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

There are many categories that apply to Ms Harries, but we cannot, legally, do that. I prefer to settle on "shameless fame-seeker", myself Hardylane (talk) 01:05, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

rework

I have edited the lede both to give it a tiny bit of substance and to ensure it conforms to the guidance developed on the LGBT project for trans biographies. I have also gone through the text and reworded some of the references to former name and gender, which we try to avoid as much as possible in trans biographies. Please note that we prefer to use subjects' surnames. Some of the references look a bit iffy, but I have no interest in trawling through this article to check them all personally. Reading some of the comments, do remember WP:NPOV. I know it is hard with some people, but we need to be fair, especially in BLPs. Mish (just an editor) (talk) 00:51, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

In this particular case the phrasing 'known as "James Harries"' makes the factual meaning a bit unclear. It sounds as if "James Harries" were a character appearing on the Wogan chat show, in much the same way that "Ali G" or "Basil Brush" might appear on a chat show. This is a sensitive area, and using plain 'Harries' for the rest of the article is fine, but the style is obscuring the factual content a bit here. Better to say: her former name was James Harries, and under this name she appeared on television... Ed Avis (talk) 13:39, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Changed it. Mish (just an editor) (talk) 14:56, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Attacked?

There is a quote her of how some thugs, "attacked Lauren, her father and her brother in the family home". In the documentary, Little Lady Fauntleroy, one of the things that comes up is the family's flamboyance/eccentricity on the one hand, and paranoia, on the other. It was implied that some of these attacks, e.g. stone throwing etc may have even been made up. (And it seems that they occurred long before the surgery as well)

From the doc, the family also seems to fancy themselves as counsellors, although their credentials for doing so are highly questionable.--MacRusgail (talk) 17:53, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

The sources indicate the attack happened, and resulted in prosecution. There is nothing about the second point here, and the documentary sheds no light on these beyond hearsay. Mish (just an editor) (talk) 21:02, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Antiques expert

Coming to this as someone with no knowledge, I get the distinct impression that James-as-was was not in fact an antiques expert, but it's neither stated outright nor backed up with a reference, merely snidely implied. Perhaps to article could be fixed for either accuracy or dignity, don't really care which... --94.212.2.245 (talk) 23:00, 5 November 2010 (UTC)