Talk:Eurovision Song Contest 2011

Western Europe - ambiguous term, possibly needs removal

"This will also be the first time since 1998 that a country in Western Europe hosts Eurovision as the contest has been in the Middle East, Scandinavia and Eastern Europe since 1999." Well that is pure bullshit. If you're gonna exclude every other Western European country, like Denmark and Sweden, you can just as well type "this is the first time a Western European country that borders France to the west, hosts the Eurovision since 1999." It's stupid. Scandinavia is part of Western Europe, so you cannot write "first time since 1998 a Eurovision has been in Western Europe". - Jetro (talk) 00:32, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

It is entirely context dependent, and Scandinavia is deemed Northern Europe as opposed to Western Europe (http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/526461/Scandinavia). This makes your point fairly irrelevant as technically it is neither east nor west... steveyeu ^../(talk) 00:40, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

No, Norway is a Western European country (as is everything in Scandinavia). 74.163.28.196 (talk) 01:10, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Read the relevant source I gave in the first instance, although it is very much ambiguous. steveyeu ^../(talk) 01:16, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Unless you are planning on completely rewriting wikipedia's article on Western Europe, and have strong sources explaining why Western Europe should be defined as excluding Scandinavia, I have to say you don't really have much of a case. I agree with Jetro. The sentence in question is simply untrue. Also your source for that claim merely lists the cities/towns that have hosted the contest without mentioning what part of Europe those places are - which suggests to me it would be OR anyway. Elvie (talk) 02:52, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

It's a not an important thing to point out, so just don't say anything about Western Europe! Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 02:58, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Quite interesting. First time I've ever heard that Northern European countries Denmark, Finland, Norway and Sweden can't be part of the Western Europe as well. Oh well, if that's so, it can be also said that for example the United Kingdom isn't either. Here's a reliable source that states that the UK is a Northern European country, not Western European [1] :). ,,n (talk) 04:00, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Im swedish and i dont see myself as a western european. i see myself as an northern european or scandinavian person.--ÅlandÖland (talk) 11:23, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

The fact is that there is no clear definition of Western Europe. The National Geographics Society defines Scandinavia, the British Isles, the Iberian Peninsula and Italy as being parts of Western Europe. The United Nations Statistics Division, however, doesn't. From a geographical and cultural point of view, I would say that the UNSD definition is the more accurate of the two.--141.35.40.136 (talk) 10:09, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Quatar is planning to enter the Eurovision Song Contest in 2011. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar_Radio —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.126.67.2 (talk) 14:23, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Qatar is not a member of the EBU so it would probably not qualify MSalmon (talk) 14:36, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes that is true, but they try to become a member of the EBU! They've already send a group to Moskau to represent themselves. Furthermore they also have a radio show which is called Qatar for Eurovision! They just wait to become a member! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.126.67.2 (talk) 08:04, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Austria is thinking about of being part of the Song Contest 2011 as well. http://www.krone.at/Show-Stars/Lena-Mania_ohne_Ende-Raab_Lena_soll_Song-Contest-Titel_2011_verteidigen-Story-202468 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.126.67.2 (talk) 14:41, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Turkey

So what happens with Turkey?Will they be automatically qualified in next year's final? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.64.173.237 (talk) 04:31, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Since the host country is one of the big 4, it is possible that Turkey will be automatically qualified for next year's final, being this year's highest scoring non-big 4 country. However, no reliable information regarding this matter has been published yet. It is also possible that only the big 4 will be automatically qualified next year, meaning that there will be only 24 countries in the final.--141.35.189.15 (talk) 11:59, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Another question about Turkey. Where has it been stated that Turkey would withdraw from the contest? Some IP user just added that kind of information to the article [2]. Sounds very weird that a country that has been one of the most successful in the Eurovision Song Contest last few years and has just finished second in this year's event (which is a very good achievement) would almost immediately, just few hours after, announce their withdrawal from the next year's contest. ,,n (talk) 05:17, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

There are NO current web sources saying that Turkey will withdrawal from the competition. In light of this and coupled with the fact the post made no grammatical sense as it was obviously posted by a non English speaker I have removed that fact from the page as it is at this time, misleading. If the poster wants to repost adding a reliable web source to back up the statement, then that's fine but not until.

4 countries auto qualifying?

it doesnt seem right. based on what i read on wikipedia the 2 place qualifies for next years final if a big 4 country win. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.208.72.121 (talk) 09:39, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

It is possible, but no reliable information regarding this matter has been published yet.--141.35.189.15 (talk) 12:03, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

The Netherlands

Why is the Netherlands removed as confirmed contestant? Broadcaster TROS confirmed they want to take part to the contest in 2011 TROS is only thinking about the way the national finals will take place. http://esfmagazine.wordpress.com/2010/05/23/tros-procedure-2011-staat-nog-niet-vast/ (in dutch) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jane doe10 (talk • contribs) 14:18, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Italy

Surely it won't take part to ESC once more. However, if you need a reliable source, here are the words of Mr Svante Stockselius in te press conference of the 26th of May: Every year I think we get a little closer but we're not quite there yet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.31.43.211 (talk) 11:21, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Andorra

Andorra did not even take part last year , no need for the undecided/withdrawn thing...

I deleted it but got a warning... Lurji (talk) 11:40, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

If there is sources for this claims then it shouldnt be deleted.--ÅlandÖland (talk) 12:23, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

There was none , and they were already out. Same with HJunfary Lurji (talk) 13:06, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

No there is a source from Esctoday which was published today on the Andorra statement. So no need to delete that.--ÅlandÖland (talk) 13:07, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Hungary

Why is hungary in the undecided box when it should be in a new possible returns section...? --Lurji (talk) 13:26, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Because it hasnt decided 100% yet if it will participate but is ver liikely to. Wait for confirmationof the news before puting it on the article.--ÅlandÖland (talk) 13:28, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Number of automatically qualified finalists

"Due to Germany's automatic qualification, the next highest country who confirms participation will automatically qualify through to the final." This should be deleted from the article. No official information has been posted regarding the number of automatically qualified finalists in next year's final. The rules of the 2010 Eurovision Song Contest do not take into consideration that the host country could be one of the big 4. Accordingly, it is not known whether there will be 4 or 5 automatically qualified finalists next year.--141.35.189.15 (talk) 15:15, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. I have revised the statement to reflect the uncertainty. dllu (talk) 15:22, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Are there really any uncertainties? Sure, Wikipedia editors doesn't seem to know, but I'm pretty sure EBU already knows how to deal with the situation. If I had to guess, though, I'd say that 24 countries in the final, or 11 countries advancing from one of the semi finals seems much more likely than letting the 2nd place from last year get a free pass. TrondM (talk) 00:31, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

The EBU most certainly know how to deal with the situation, but nothing is mentioned in the rules of the Contest, and no official statement has been made. I am also very certain that we will see a 24-country final next year, but that does not qualify as a reliable source.--141.35.189.15 (talk) 08:16, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

It won't be 11 from one semifinal as countries in the semifinal that just allow 10 through would all complain, so I would be almost 100% certain that we will have a 24 country final. Nathan | ^talk 13:31, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

based on what i read in the rules, the second place will qualify for the final since the first place is a big 4. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.208.72.121 (talk • contribs) 17:17, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

The rules change almost every year, there's no way of telling whether the second place country from this year will automatically make the final. Also no where in the 2010 rules does this matter come up. -- [[ axg ◉ talk ]] 16:33, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism

PLEASE Semi Protect this article because of all the vandalism which I am tired of revertingMSalmon (talk) 15:56, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Request can be made at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. Of which I already added this article before you posted. :) -- [[ axg ◉ talk ]] 16:08, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Ok thanks MSalmon (talk) 16:11, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Thank you :) --Lurji (talk) 21:47, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

So I did, someone put Sicily, Jersey an Brittany as posible debuts... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jane doe10 (talk • contribs) 13:41, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Sicily ? I have heard nothing about the partecipation at the ESC of the Sicily separately from the Italy. I am a Sicilian fan of the ESC and I am quite sure of it... --62.98.222.52 (talk) 15:40, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Surely only countries can participate? AnemoneProjectors 19:07, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Participation Map

How do I change the map to show the countries that have been confirmed because the current one is wrong. MSalmon (talk) 10:06, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

The map is an SVG, this can be edited with the free Inkscape programme. -- [[ axg ◉ talk ]] 10:56, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

I tried that but it doesn't work MSalmon (talk) 10:58, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Might be better to explain in detail why it doesn't seem to work? Since it works fine for me. -- [[ axg ◉ talk ]] 11:04, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be easier for you to do it since it works for you? MSalmon (talk) 11:06, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

OK then, what's wrong with it? -- [[ axg ◉ talk ]] 11:11, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Greece needs to be added and Portugal removed MSalmon (talk) 11:11, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

See that's what got me. I always do I quick count on the map and the article, so counted the same but did not know Portugal had been removed and Greece added. -- [[ axg ◉ talk ]] 11:18, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Macedonia confirms participation

Eftim Gashtov, CEO of MRTV, the Macedonian state broadcaster has confirmed that the country will take part in next year's Eurovision Song Contest.[3] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.35.189.15 (talk) 08:22, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes, this is true. Source: http://www.vest.com.mk/?ItemID=A4FCBF104618114FAC3B38EEFA8CD070. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.50.123.67 (talk) 22:13, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

That site is just telling you about Hamburg and Berlin wanting to host in 2011 and an analysis of 2010. It doesn't say they are entering in 2011.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Harkinson (talk • contribs) 15:55, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

In the last paragraph of the article, Eftin Gashtov denies the rumours of Macedonia withdrawing from next year's contest, stating that the Macedonian broadcaster will invite representatives from the media to an open debate programme in order to find out which changes could be done to the Macedonian national selection for the Eurovision Song Contest.--141.35.189.15 (talk) 16:45, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Macedonia is on the participant map, but not on the list which means there is no valid source to their participation.--Teodor Hansi (talk) 20:43, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Austria

Has Austria really confirmed participation in the 2011 edition this early? The source is exactly the same as when they where in the possible returns section.--Teodor Hansi (talk) 14:00, 2 June 2010 (UTC) is it certain that they can participate next year. i read on wikipedia that they didnt send this years final.

United Kingdom

the viewers of bbc wants the channel to withdraw. therefore it should be listed under possible withdrawals. http://www.nrk.no/programmer/tv/melodi_grand_prix/1.7146879 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.208.72.121 (talk) 14:24, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

The viewers do not decide what the BBC does, therefore the UK should not be listed until a reliable source is found. -- [[ axg ◉ talk ]] 14:38, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Qatar?

Is Qatar taking part or not? I only have one source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Miskolc10 (talk • contribs) 09:09, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

They most likely wont be a part of next years contest, they are not an EBU member yet, and I am not sure if they can become one either. The only debut we will have is Liechtenstein I think.--Teodor Hansi (talk) 09:22, 3 June 2010 (UTC) based on what i read they got their membership early.

Not only are they not EBU members, but they don't have a television broadcaster that will air the contest. The interested party is a radio station. So their participation is impossible at this point.Evilperson 20 (talk) 03:28, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Norway confirmed

norway always participates unless they choose to boycott esc. participation is rather important in norway. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.208.72.121 (talk • contribs) 19:18, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

And? We can't just add it. Anything can happen during now and then, that could force them to pull out. -- [[ axg ◉ talk ]] 20:19, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

norway will participate next year. i am already discussing it on nrks own forum.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.208.72.121 (talk • contribs)

Norway can be added once a reliable source confirming participation is presented. Camaron · Christopher · talk 08:14, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Lena to perform (again)

The information that Lena Meyer-Landrut will represent Germany in ESC 2011 should not come under the "Participating countries" sub section "Confirmed" but in the "Returning artists". Source is hereKamalSagraha (talk) 03:30, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

I have removed this confirmation. Firstly, is ESC Nation really a reliable source? There are higher standards for content related to living people, so I am taking this out until concerns are resolved per WP:GRAPEVINE. The content also contradicted the Lena Meyer-Landrut article, which have Lena's return to the contest as a maybe, with more established reliable sources treating this more as a possibility. Yes it is clear that Stefan Raab favours this planned return by Lena, but there is no evidence of wider confirmation from the broadcaster; the ESC Nation article seems entirely based on one quote from Stefan Raab. That is not enough to confirm participation. Camaron · Christopher · talk 08:10, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

I opened a Returning Artists section because of the Lena return in 2011 for Germany. SteliosGR(talk) 12:45, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Nothing is confirmed. It is the broadcaster that confirms who goes to Eurovision and they have yet to confirm it.Evilperson 20 (talk) 03:30, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Here is another source. From ESCDaily.com KamalSagraha (talk) 02:46, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

This article seems to be based on the same quote from Stefan Raab, not a very solid confirmation. I think we should wait until there is a clear conformation from the broadcaster. In any case, we cannot have this article and the Lena Meyer-Landrut saying different things. On returning articles sections, I think the debate needs to be held on if these sections should be there at all, as they have appeared in articles without any consensus. Camaron · Christopher · talk 10:06, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

And once again - another instance when Wikipedia has been too hesitant to include news like this because it's come from someone they believe to be less reliable. Stefan Raab isn't just a singer and a TV host - he's a music producer and was heavily involved in the German participation this year. If you actually read the article properly, it says "ARD & ProSieben press conference", which states the news source. How can that not be confirmation from the broadcaster? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.4.186.203 (talk) 16:09, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

I missed this comment, but I think this needs be said: I don't offer any apologies for maintaining quality standards in Wikipedia articles. Eurovision articles are not exempt from the Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons policy, which makes clear that content in articles must be sourced very carefully about living people, and is non-negotiable. In this case the information was right, but there have been too many instances in which Wikipedia Eurovision articles have got it wrong with confirmed participants and confirmed entries. I will warn any editor that adds content to articles about living people which is unsourced or poorly sourced, and administrator tools may be used as a last resort, as WP:GRAPEVINE allows. CT Cooper · talk 13:18, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Switzerland

Who removes Switzerland all the time? SteliosGR(talk) 17:07, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

All information on who added and removed content can be found in the edit history. It was this this diff that removed Switzerland. A reason was not given, however the source did not appear to be reliable. Camaron · Christopher · talk 10:13, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Norway confirms participation

The official Norwegian facebook page (made by NRK, the Norwegian broadcaster) for Eurovision/Melodi Grand Prix, confirmed Norway's participation in 2011. http://www.facebook.com/melodigrandprix?ref=ts In the status posted the 4th of June, it is written in Norwegian that they will start working on the Norwegian national final (Melodi Grand Prix) soon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lllkmoup (talk • contribs) 00:18, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 80.192.50.245, 8 June 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} The United Kingdom will take part from http://www.bbc.co.uk/eurovision/ in a grey box at the top right of the page

80.192.50.245 (talk) 23:08, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

 Not done Nowhere on there does it say the UK will participate, nor does it even contain the words "United Kingdom" It just says the BBC will air it in 2011. Please provide a source saying the UK will actually participate, not just air it. CTJF83 pride 02:41, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Sorry my bad. Didnt mean to offend you —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.192.50.245 (talk) 13:08, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Nowhere was I offended, please find a source, and I will gladly add it for you. CTJF83 pride 18:30, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi, could you please add my source about Norway's participation? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lllkmoup (talk • contribs) 10:29, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

 Not done facebook is not a valid reference, please find a Reliable Source and I'll add it. CTJF83 pride 16:57, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

References for countries painted in the map but still not listed

The FYR of Macedonia, the Netherlands and Switzerland have confirmed participation, and they're painted in the map.

The references for each one (to be finally listed) are:

* The FYR of Macedonia: http://www.vest.com.mk/?ItemID=A4FCBF104618114FAC3B38EEFA8CD070. 
  The last paragraph: Mr. Eftin Gashtov (MRT's directive) denies the rumours of Macedonia withdrawing from next year's contest
* The Netherlands: http://www.esctoday.com/news/read/13036. 
  TROS has a deal until 2012.
* Switzerland: http://www.oikotimes.com/v2/index.php?file=articles&id=8368. 
  SF wants to recover NF. 

Please, add these three countries to the list of confirmed countries. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.163.18.137 (talk) 16:01, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Gera

Germany: Gera also wants to host Eurovision 2011 --78.48.40.93 (talk) 18:30, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Update reference from Oikotimes "10 countries..." to "22 countries..."

The reference used for many countries from a list published by Oikotimes was updated recently. Here is: http://www.oikotimes.com/v2/index.php?file=articles&id=8431. Albania is included, so it could be added to the list of countries confirmed for 2011. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.50.100.119 (talk) 20:13, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Albani, Croatia and Russia

These three are in the confirmed ones list, saying that a citation is needed, but I can't find any reference for their participation until now... We all know that this 3 and many others from 2010 will enter for sure, but if we have restric "laws" for some things... João P. M. Lima (talk) 18:42, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Reference for Albania: http://www.oikotimes.com/v2/index.php?file=articles&id=8431. Delete the article about Kosovo, because it's false and, as usual, politically biased. EBU stated recently that there are no new applications under consideration, so only current active members would be on time for entering ESC 2011. Reference: http://esckaz.com/2010. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.163.18.200 (talk) 20:28, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

I have restored the re-direct on Kosovo in the Eurovision Song Contest as no new sources were presented indicating that Kosovo's participation in the contest is back on the table. The quality of English in this new article also, I have to say, left a lot to be desired. This article was re-directed as an olive branch compromise despite being kept at AfD, and I don't see any reason to change that at present. The inclusion of content on Kosovo will be decided like any other country in line with the Wikipedia:Verifiability policy. If there are reliable sources that seriously suggest Kosovo will participate for 2011, then such content can be included, and if in response some sources doubt any participation of Kosovo for 2011, they can be included. Any concerns over political bias will be looked at, but such concerns should be accomplished by a clear indication of the offending article text and citations from the Wikipedia:Neutral point of view policy indicating which part of it is being violated . CT Cooper · talk 10:53, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

either turkey or israel

they are currently in a conflict, therefore either of them may withdraw.

Armenia and Azerbaijan are always in a conflict and they don't withdraw. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.237.220.214 (talk) 16:25, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Liechtenstein

Why is Liechtenstein removed from the possible débuts section? I have not found any source stating that they wont try to participate next year. --Teodor Hansi (talk) 12:00, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

The EBU have announced they have no new members and won't accept any more until after the contest deadline to confirm participation --Harkinson —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.237.220.214 (talk) 13:43, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Please write down the source to this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Teodor Hansi (talk • contribs) 19:16, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Bulgarian reference

The reference used for confirming Bulgarian participation only told about a possible offering from Kirkorov, but it doesn't mention the intentions of BNT about taking part next year. I recommend to remove it until more solid references (from BNT) would be available. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.163.35.123 (talk) 18:07, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

I'm inclined to agree. He seems to have offered his help to the broadcaster, but there has been no official announcement regarding participation by the country and the article states that it is "rumored". In addition, can anyone comment on the reliability of the source? Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 14:26, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

I agree that the reference to Bulgaria in this source cannot really be considered a confirmation. On reliability, well I'm not convinced its reliable either. The website is hosted by WordPress, a free blog/website hosting software, which suggests that the website is either run by one Eurovision fan or a small group of users, which in either case means it is unlikely to pass the standards required by WP:IRS as it appears to be self-published. The same can also be said about ESCDaily (also hosted by WordPress). They certainly would not meet the standards for material related to living people. CT Cooper · talk 18:55, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

I will remove the information sourced by these unreliable sources. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 00:22, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Template:2011 Eurovision Song Contest entries

Should we start a 2011 Eurovision Song Contest entries template? Some countries have alreday announced its national final (f.e Denmark, Ukraine) or changes in their national final (f.e Sweden). I could create it. I just want your view.Redpower94 (talk) 17:10, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

If reasonable well sourced entry articles can be made, then I don't see a problem. What should be avoided though is a massive influx of stubs which offer little new information, which may attract AfDs. CT Cooper · talk 17:30, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

I have re-directed Switzerland in the Eurovision Song Contest 2011 and Turkey in the Eurovision Song Contest 2011 for reasons given in the edit summary. There has already been one AfD at Cyprus in the Eurovision Song Contest 2011, and more should be avoided. These articles should attempt to meet WP:N on their own, and it those that don't which will attract deletion requests. CT Cooper · talk 16:53, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Some advice would be to only make the page if there is more information then just confirmation of entry. "Country will be participating this year" can easily be stated on the ESC 2011 article, there is no need for it to have its own page. If a selection process has been announced and the broadcaster has released more than just basic information about it, then I would say you are safe to create the page. Year after year the stubs that CT Cooper is referring to are deleted or redirected until enough information to warrant a separate page comes about. Don't jump the gun just to make a new page. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 14:22, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I agree with that summary. CT Cooper · talk 16:46, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Protection

As with every new Eurovision page, there are anonymous IPs adding and removing at will without sourcing. I propose page protection against IPs and editors not autoconfirmed. Welshleprechaun 14:13, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

If you want the page to be protected, I would recommend making a request at WP:RFPP. CT Cooper · talk 21:34, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

less money in 2011 than in 2010?

i read on a forum hosted by nrk that the german government is cutting the eurovision song contest budget. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.208.75.209 (talk) 11:23, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Since it is a forum, we can not use it as a source, per WP:SOURCE, since most are unreliable. But most broadcasters, in this current climate want to spend as minimal as possible to stage an event efficiently. -- [[ axg ◉ talk ]] 11:44, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Or else it can lead to Germany's withdrawal in Eurovision 2012, similar to Sweden after hosting Eurovision 1975 --Ajitirj (talk) 15:00, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

stage of 2011

is there anybody that know anything more about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.208.75.209 (talk) 11:29, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Nope, most details such as stage design, graphics, logo, etc. don't usually appear until January or later. -- [[ axg ◉ talk ]] 11:40, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

do you think they will use any LED. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.208.75.209 (talk • contribs)

Wikipedia is not a forum, this talk page is for discussion of the relevant article, to improve the article. Please find and use a dedicated forum on the subject. Thanks. -- [[ axg ◉ talk ]] 12:14, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

is ireland withdrawing?

i checked the german version of wikipedia. there ireland wasnt shown as participating on the map. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.208.75.209 (talk) 11:32, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

The simple answer is: we don't know as of yet. They have neither confirmed or withdrawn their participation from the contest. This is usual, most countries will be inspecting their budgets, whether they can afford to participate and host a pre-selection show. -- [[ axg ◉ talk ]] 11:38, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Andorra: No return in 2011

ANDORRA: Andorra not coming back in 2011--Redpower94 Could we add that anywhere? (talk) 13:32, 6 Oktober 2010 (UTC)

I'm not so sure about the source that Oikotimes used in terms of reliablity, but lots of countries do not return each year (not the same as withdrawal) and they are not mentioned. For instance we don't list all of the countries that are participating and then have a list of countries that could have, but didn't. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 15:08, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Hamburg didn't withdraw

the given source in German doesn't say that Hamburg has withdrawn - it says only that Hamburg might have no chance anymore due the money and the fact that the stage doesn't fit in the proposed venue only Citius Altius Fortius (talk) 17:09, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

I don't know German, but in the translation, it states in the first sentence that it probably won't take place in Hamburg and then in the second sentence it says Hamburg is no longer bidding. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 18:28, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

German is my mother language - in the second sentence stands that "it is said" that Hamburg isn't a frontrunner in the race anymore - the whole article is a kind a speculation and due I know Hamburger Abendblatt quite well, since I live in Hamburg - I have more the impression that the Hamburger Abendblatt wants to "pressure" the Hamburg governement with this article to step in for the financial issues. Citius Altius Fortius (talk) 01:47, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

will Belgium survive long enough to participate

last i heard they didnt have a government. if that keeps up the country could break up before eurovision song contest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.232.205.77 (talk • contribs)

Serbia and Montenegro were both fine when the two broke up in 2006, with them still entering together in some competitions, like that years World Cup. -- [[ axg ◉ talk ]] 16:22, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

the german article confirms slovakia as participating

that means that at least the german wikipedia users believe slovakia to participate. wether it can used i cant tell.