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I don't think the image of Allium fistulosum bulbifera is appropriate for this article. Firstly, that is not a typical welsh onion and gives no sense of the normal form of the species, secondly, my understanding is that the bulbiferous forms, which are usually called tree onions or Egyptian onions, are actually crosses with A. cepa and have often been included with that species. The image should go with an article on tree onions. WormRunner | Talk 14:34, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Leeks

Is Welsh onion different from Leek (vegetable)? Maybe these two pages need to be merged. --DannyWilde 01:14, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

No, the articles do not need to be merged. If you read the articles you will note that they are different species. Also, the leek has flat leaves, similar to garlic, while the welsh onion has inflated round leaves like an onion. In fact, side by side they are as different as two allium species can be. -- WormRunner | Talk 01:40, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Might be good to put that kind of info on the page itself: "This is not the same as a leek". Can I let you do that? I noticed the species names were different, but I have heard that sometimes species names are ambiguous. My perspective on this is editing the Japanese cuisine pages, where we have the Japanese word negi linked to Leek (vegetable) in some places, and Welsh onion in some places. So, I'm trying to clarify where negi should be pointing. --DannyWilde 01:45, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I would be happy to clear up any confusion about the morphology of the plants. Not speaking Japanese, I have no clear idea what negi means, but this page would suggest that it is used for a great many allium species and could perhaps be a synonym of "onion" in the broader sense. WormRunner | Talk 07:05, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Negi are often translated as leeks in Japanese, but based entirely on flavour and morphology I would say they are not. On a different note, I think this article could use a bit of discussion of the different common names of the vegetable, since I for one have never heard the term welsh onion... spring onion, green onion, scallion, and negi are all familiar to me. Also, this plant has a pretty diverse range of morphology that could be mentioned. I am not sure if this stuff is appropriate for an article like this, as I am quite new to Wikipedia editing. Would appreciate feedback, I'd be happy to write it if it is appropriate ~~Erk | Talk 1535, 31Oct2005 GMT+9

Negi should never be translated as leek - "nira" means leek. Negi are scallions, and this article should probably mention that, since the scallion article links to this as the most common meaning of the word. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Doceirias (talk • contribs) 04:07, 27 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Aren't scallions used in Japanese medicine? I've seen refrences to using them in anime and manga such as Cowboy Bebop and Negima... Kazuhite 21:45, 21 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You'ree an idiot.

Japanese references

The Japanese word for a bulb onion is 'tamanegi', meaning 'ball negi' - they approach onions from the opposite point of view to the West. Worth including?--62.58.152.52 14:46, 15 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Chinese characters

It seems to me that "Welsh onions are known as 蔥 (simplified:葱) (pinyin: cōng) in Chinese, 葱..." implies that 葱 is the simplified form and 蔥 the traditional, more complex one, whereas the opposite is implied both by the complexity of the characters and the fact that 葱 is the one used in Japanese... So I'm going to reverse the order of the characters in the article. I also think the parenthetical comment about the species name ought to follow "leaves", so I am going to move it. --Haruo (talk) 00:41, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Welsh Onion/Spring Onion

I live in the UK and have never came across the term Welsh Onion, in the article one of the alternate names is Spring Onion, in the UK the name Spring Onion is given to something that looks similar to the picture but has a small bulb @ the bottom, from the description & picture it looks more like what we would call Chives. I suppose this is the inherent difficulty when describing things with local names. Different cultures not only have different names for the same thing, EG the parts of the street were pedestrians walk is called the Pavement in the UK, and the Sidewalk in the US. Conversely we also use the same name for different things EG the part of the street that motorist use, in the UK would be the Tarmac, but in the US it would be the Pavement. Unfortunately I don't have a solution but I just thought I would point this out, I suppose the point I am making is that I am not too sure what this article is actually about, I don't think this exact plant exists in the UK, if I saw it in real life would I go Ohh yeah that's a Spring Onion, or a Chive or whatever or if it would be something new to me. Incidentally if you do go to North Wales you find all along the country paths and along streams a great abundance of (what we call) Wild Garlic which is a plant somewhat like described in the article but with a strong scent of garlic.

Yakacm (talk) 10:41, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I believe that Welsh onions do have a significant difference from normal scallions, and are therefore worth an article. They grow in evergreen clumps, mutiplying like chives, which I consider to be a significant behavior difference. I believe that they're also known as multiplier onions, although that term is ambiguous with potato onions.

They're all mentioned in _The Kitchen Garden_ by Sylvia Thompson, but the book's at another location right now, so I'm not comfortable entering a citation into the article itself until I find it and confirm. (If I'm quite certain about the evergreen bunching behavior, is it acceptable to just point to the whole book, no page? I did add that to the article proper.)

My recollection from the book is that "multiplier" _usually_ refers to perennial onions that don't form bulbs and do form clumps, and "potato onion" refers to perennial onions that do. "Scallion" can refer to the green stalks of multiplier onions, the green stalks that come off of the potato onions, the green stalks that come from onion sets, the green stalks that grow when you harvest a seed-grown onion before it has a chance to bulb, the green stalks that come from a planted Egyptian Walking Onion topset, and who knows what else. :) I think that "scallion" is a functional definition ("edible green oniony stalk") rather than pointing to any specific plant.

ChickenWings (talk) 07:14, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]