Talk:St. Lawrence River

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Does anyone know for whom the Saint Lawrence River was named? 166.90.234.48 08:03 Aug 12, 2002 (PDT)

I have every reason to believe that it is the Saint Lawrence who was the first papal librarian and who was martyred on a gridiron, not least because the symbol of the St. Lawrence Herald (a ceremonial office under the Governor-General) is a gridiron. -

"According to tradition, for his presumed impudence, Lawrence was then slowly roasted on a grill on the site of the Basilica di San Lorenzo in Rome, in the hope that he would publicly renounce his religion and reveal the names of the wealthy Christians. He is often represented holding a gridiron to memorialize this grisly manner of martyrdom. Although St. Lawrence was most certainly beheaded and not roasted, the traditions of his being cooked are somewhat stronger than actual fact. As a result, St Lawrence is also considered a patron saint for cooks." [1] --Eloquence

Old Name

I understood that the old name "River Canada" (and French equivalent) was not used to describe the whole of the St Lawrence. Rather, it referred to the St Lawrence River as far upstream as Montreal and then to the Ottawa River, which was presumably once considered the chief tributary.

It is certainly shown this way on Morden's map of 1695 (although that was drawn in London by a man who probably never visited Canada :-). Does anyone have any more info? Cambyses 21:53, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Fresh Water System

What exactly is a "fresh water system"? A link with a definition would be nice. By any definition I can think of, the Amazon is the world's largest fresh water system. Chl 21:04, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

That might depend on whether or not the Great Lakes are included... bneely 19:15, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Drainage area of Amazon: 7 million km²; St Lawrence including Great Lakes: 1.03 million km². Average discharge of Amazon: 180,000 m³/s; St Lawrence: 10,400 m³/s. --Chl 16:31, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)

The "largest" claim is based on the total volume of water in the system, not the discharge rate. Source: EPA. - Kmusser 3 August 2005

Origin

The article says the river starts in Ontario where the Great Lakes drain into it, while the infobox says it rises in Minnesota. I wouldn't consider the Great Lakes to be part of the river, though they are clearly at the heart of its basin. But I'm not a geographer, hydrologist, or cartographer. Any comments, or should I change its origin in the table to Ontario? Thanks, —Papayoung ☯ 18:40, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Hi! Later in the article, the 'true' source for the St Lawrence is noted as being the North River in the Mesabi Range in Minnesota; it doesn't appear that way (i.e., with its source in Ontario) because the Great Lakes are so predominant and circuitous. (I decided to add the river table to add clarity and since it appears in other rivers; but I don't think there is a standard.)

So: more clarity is needed! I'd appreciate if both of these can be reconciled in text and through a little more digging. Thoughts? Thanks again! E Pluribus Anthony 18:59, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Distinction between gulf and river needed

This article needs a comment on the issue where to draw the end-point on St. Lawrence as a river. As of now, there is none. I am aware of that the long gulf form Anticosti to about Québec city is often considered to be a part of St. Lawrence, but is that stretch really a river? If I'm not wrong, it's not, but the water lies at sea level and is brackish. Correct me if I'm worng and also comment to the article about the issue. 193.167.7.27 16:00, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

That's all estuary and is generally labeled as part of the river in commercial Atlases. I checked when working on the Gulf article and there doesn't seem to be a commonly accepted point where the river ends and the gulf begins. Kmusser 14:42, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

And perhaps one more question issued - the list of tributaries. It must have average discharge 5000-6000 cub.m/s near Ontario, so what was taken into account for final figure? It would be great to see in article.--Beaber (talk) 14:06, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

POV map

The map is POV, because it shows the counties in the US but doesn't show them in Canada. -- Earl Andrew - talk 04:09, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Fixed. Kmusser 15:13, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

WW2 History of the gulf and river

Maybe something about the Battle of the St. Lawrence could be added to the History section? Originalname37 (talk) 16:27, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

I added it.Originalname37 (talk) 16:54, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Tuscarora?

I'm a bit confused why lots of articles (Schenectady, New York, Hudson River, Mohawk River), including this one, have the name of the place in the Tuscarora language. The Tuscarora are from North Carolina and did not come to New York or Canada until AFTER Europeans had already been there first (in the case of Canada and the Hudson River the Europeans were there a good 200+ years first). Tuscarora is not a good language to translate these places into. Might as well put the Irish translation or Basque, they may even have been to these places before the French and Dutch, there would therefore be a more legitimate reason for their inclusion. Iroquois or Algonquin languages that were in the area should be used. If no one else on any of these pages comes up with a really good reason to keep them, I'm going to do a systematic search of all places in the area and remove all mentioning of these places names in Tuscarora.Camelbinky (talk) 22:45, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Drainage?

Isn't the St. Lawrence River the only river that goes from the Great Lakes to the Atlantic? -Supermonkey Jasonxu98 (talk) 00:19, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Other than the navigation channels with numerous locks, indeed the St. Lawrence doesn't have any parallel waterbody. This prevails, whether in the Great Lakes region, or on its W-S-W to E-N-E way toward its gulf and the Atlantic. Of course, at times the river is split in smaller sections as it passes many archipelagoes, but none of the natural islands are long enough to separate the river for long streches. Francsois (talk) 00:29, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Removal of misleading photo from this page!

Saint Lawrence River in winter near Montreal, aerial photo

Under the sub-section Names, i have put this photo between HTML remark brackets <!->, since it is quite misleading.

Having lived in and around Montreal for about 4 decades, as well as having worked as a motorized courrier very knowledgeable of local maps, i know that the above image is NOT of St. Lawrence River. It's a photo of two parallel rivers to the north of Montreal Island, Rivière des Prairies and Rivière des Mille Îles, which are part of the Ottawa River delta into the St. Lawrence.

I have written to the user who has posted it, on their talk page (as they don't seem to provide any other means for contacting them), so to tell them know they should both change the descriptive text of the image, as well to suggest them to submit the image to the aforementioned geographic article pages, plus on Îles Laval, and Jesus Island, which is occupied by (Laval City).

The 4 above articles (see links) could clearly benefit from such a detailed aerial picture. Francsois (talk) 00:50, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Is the Gulf of Saint Lawrence really the estuary for the Saint Lawrence.

The saltwater part starts slightly after Quebec City and increases salinity downstream and through the Gulf of Saint Lawrence. Or is the entire part from Ile Orleans to the Atlantic considered the Gulf of Saint Lawrence? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sega31098 (talk • contribs) 04:58, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

How wide?

A statement that the St. Lawrence River is the widest river in the world should be accompanied by a figure. I could not find one in the article. I had always thought the Amazon River to be the widest. Caeruleancentaur (talk) 12:39, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Depending on what is considered to be the mouth of the Amazon River, it is said to be anywhere from 202 miles to 9.3 miles in width. Determining where river ends and mouth/estuary/gulf begins is debatable in either case. Caeruleancentaur (talk) 12:50, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Inclusion of the 1000 Islands Region

This article should also mention that the St. Lawrence contains the 1000 Islands region.