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Former good article nomineeGeorgia (country) was a good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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June 21, 2006Good article reassessmentDelisted

motto

what is source of motto?

Photo opinion

Is that a good looking photo? This close up makes them look kind of dirty and therefore somewhat goofy. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 19:26, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]


The photo in the 2008 war section is completely inappropriate as is a sheer propaganda. It is a photo of a very young girl with a silly smile holding an anti-Russian poster obviouly written by somebody much older. It is clear that she has no clue of the meaning of the poster not symbols on it, she probably knows nothing at all and is just being expoloited for propaganda reasons. This image has a value in the 'information war' section, to illustrate how Georgia used images of children to distract attention from the facts of Georgia's bombing attack on civilians and UN peacekeepers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.163.107.100 (talk) 14:10, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Image purge

I've taken the liberty of getting rid of half that photos that cover this page. Files removed are placed below (shrunk). There were way too many pictures on the article. If anyone strongly feels a picture I removed deserves to be in the article, then they are free to add it back in. Just consider the look of the page. Alternatively, if someone feels a photo deserves to be in the gallery, feel free to add it there. Additionally I removed {{Georgian statehood}} because honestly, it screwed up the formatting. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 11:11, 18 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • To be honest, you have removed many important and symbolically significant photographs while keeping some that do not add anything valuable to the article. You left four photographs depicting mountains and landscapes while removing a rare example of baroque (theater) as just one example. I have to revert your edits.--Polgraf (talk) 16:36, 18 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Instead of reverting, why don't you exchange the photos? Wouldn't that be the most simple and elegant solution? I did what I could and thought best, but I'm sure those more knowledgeable can do better. Putting everything back in would definitely not be the solution. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 16:42, 18 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, go delete images yourself. As long as the problem is solved. About the Landscapes/Theatre issue you brought up, that is because the appropriate section has enough text to accomodate those pictures. The gross picture number isn't important, it's the number relative to the amount of text. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 16:59, 18 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I see what you are saying but I already got done with it I think. Go check it out. The balance seems to be good and the gap that was there before (near the 1921 independence section) is almost entirely gone. I dont think other areas should be very problematic.--Polgraf (talk) 17:01, 18 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It's still doesn't work. A huge amount of text remains sandwiched between pictures, pictures and text are overlying each other. Formatting is still off. In smaller sections, some photos must be cut. Every notable photo can't be left in. There is simply not enough space! Chipmunkdavis (talk) 00:38, 19 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, but your last edit still left a huge amount of text sandwiching (text in between 2 pictures) and had places where the words appeared over the pictures and photos being pushed out of place and other stuff. I did manage to get the Georgian parliament photo back in (albeit slightly smaller) and replaced the painting in architecture with the theatre, as you requested, and also added the Georgian young couple in demographics, which you had in your edits. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 09:12, 19 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Map of Georgia from 1823, St. Petersburg http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/6932/045381554asb.jpg Valery57 (talk) 10:38, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Too long

This article is way too long, each section should provide an essential overview of the topic. In this article my attention is particularly drawn to the History, Geography, and to a lesser extent the Economy sections. They need to be cut, that much information is enough for a whole article. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 10:54, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

that change looks better. BritishWatcher (talk) 12:14, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Anyway, the reason I bring this up here is that some editors objected earlier to me simply removing pictures. The gutting of the article I am now proposing may seriously be objected to, yet it probably needs to be done. I've perused through the History of Georgia (country) and all the relevant information on this page seems to be there. Additionally, it has the same picture glut problem. A second opinion about the duplication of information would be good, I don't want to accidentally delete information here that isn't on the History page. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 16:04, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It is hard to comment without knowing what exactly you want to cut, how your are going to cut and how big your imagined final state article would be. If you want to be careful, you could set up a draft page in your user space. Or else, simply cut ahead and wait for reverts. Whoever reverts will have to say what he dislikes about the new version. --Xeeron (talk) 13:56, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well right now I'm just asking for other opinions on length. It just seems like its much too long, especially compared to featured country articles like Australia and Indonesia, which have much shorter sections. Probably what needs to be done is each current subsection neatly summarized into one or two paragraphs, without that much detail. An overview of the History doesn't need detailed information on each king. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 14:02, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It can clearly be cut in length. Since you seem to be worried about objections, I should warn you that the recent history (especially the wars since 1991) are controversial topics, bound to elicit edit warring. In some cases certain sentences have only been arrived at after lengthy back and forth. That being said, I still feel that you should just go ahead with the work and then have others have their say later. --Xeeron (talk) 14:54, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Georgia = Gujaristan ???

The following recently added claim that "Georgia was known locally as 'Gujaristan'" needs to be reconciled with the text at Gujjar which says that "there is little evidence for such claims" — or else the comment should simply be removed here. Richwales (talk · contribs) 19:25, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

disorganised gobbledygook

i wanted wikipedia to tell me, as first thing i read in the main body of text:

Georgia is a sovereign state in the Caucasus region of Eurasia.

instead it told me:

Georgia (Georgian: საქართველო, sak’art’velo IPA: [sɑkʰɑrtʰvɛlɔ] ( listen); English pronunciation: /ˈdʒɔrdʒə/ ( listen)) is a sovereign state in the Caucasus region of Eurasia.[7][8]

Seriously, is this meant to be intelligible English? Please move the gobbledygook into the sidebar. If this needs to be recommended elsewhere, beyond the realms of this mere 1 article, then please forward it to the necessary people. honestly, who can not see that this jargon does not belong at the top of the main section of the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.147.78.238 (talk) 16:38, 12 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Lede again

I don't believe I have to say this, but 1) I did not revert indiscriminately, I looked over what I was reverting (for example including Sophievonanhalt's edits) 2) I have not at all violated WP:3RR, and I'd like to know how that conclusion was reached. 3) It takes more than one to edit war, and per WP:BRD I was following process. I mean seriously, "so technically you are the one who's edit warring"? Anyway, there has been continuous debate about the lede in the past, and Eurasia was a valid compromise between Europe and Asia and the whole dispute about continents. It should not have changed without consensus, and especially not after being reverted. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 18:19, 8 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

When I said you reverted indiscriminately I had this in mind [1] line 287. The previous paragraph was vague and the notation "WHEN?" was there for a very long time. Clearly, it had to be restructured and someone did his/her best to do so. You reverted everything, including this necessary change and this is what I had in mind. As for the three revert rule, I see that you have reverted the changes made by the IP three times on January 8. I reached that conclusion by looking at the history page.--Polgraf (talk) 18:32, 8 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ^ The Early Church, Henry Chadwick, p. 34
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