Talk:PlayStation 3

Edit request from 84.30.142.185, 16 September 2010

{{|edit semi-protected}} Sony announced new white 320GB version (Japan only) at the Tokyo Game Show. ( http://www.joystiq.com/2010/09/16/white-320gb-ps3-coming-to-japan-october-21/ ) Please add this to the 320GB color column.

84.30.142.185 (talk) 20:12, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

 Done Alphathon™ (talk) 20:28, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Can you also edit the 40gb model in the table. It cam with a Six Axis and not a dualshock (at least mine did). 203.32.16.176 (talk) 01:51, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Slightly high failure rate?

I have read in this article that the average failure rate is around 10% which - also mentioned - is still considered "normal" for consumer electronics. However - even for a console with an optical drive this is quite high. The paragraph about reliability is linked to souces, but the wording sounds a bit like a press statement from Sony. It should be reworded more neutral, my suggestion would be to remove statements like "this is still normal" and let the reader decide himself. Personally i believe the figures are even higher as mathematically for the "pre-slim" models the figures can only go up. The high number of "Yellow light of death" failures appearing after the warranty coverage runs out has even lead to a whole "YLOD fixing" industry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.189.154.87 (talk) 23:22, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

The wording for "this is still normal" is possibly a little informal (assuming it is a quote from the page and not a paraphrase) but assuming it is accurate there is no "let the reader decide themself" - it either is normal or isn't and cannot be a matter of opinion.

You can believe anything you want about the figures, but other than those released by Sony (which are within the normal range for electronic devices as far as we know), the only "evidence" for the failure rate we have is people complaining on the internet, which is hardly an accurate or meaningful way to gather data. Bear in mind those who have been bitten by the YLOD are likely to be a lot more vocal (and therefore noticeable) than those who haven't because those who haven't have nothing to complain about. This artificially skews things and causes you to perceive a higher rate than what is actually the case.

Also, there isn't a "YLOD fixing industry"; there may be technicians who will fix broken PS3s, but AFAIK there aren't any companies that specialise in it - it would be far to specific a field to be worth it. Sure, there may be a console fixing industry (that fix anything from RRODs to broken PS2 disk drives), but nothing that specific.

Alphathon™ (talk) 00:14, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

I have to disagree with you, there really is a YLOD fixing industry. They sell videos and all kinds of things to help people reflow the system themselves. However, it should be noted that the YLOD is reported at 1% - 1.2% When I saw it 3 months or so ago. Most YLOD happen on Launch Consoles that have the hardware iOP, due to over heating. The chips actually start to un-soldier themselves due to the heat of these extra processors. The current consoles do not have this issue at all. I have had both a launch 60 gig version YLOD on me and a developer console has YLOD on me, but none of my newer versions have givin me any issues. If you would like to write a section about it, go for it, it might help people, but the failure rate is really low overall, but really high when talking about launch consoles only. BTW,.. I am NOT the original poster in this topic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.160.142.169 (talk)

I still don't think there's an industry built up around it, but I suppose that's more of a semantic disagreement than anything. Also, I'm fairly sure they don't start to de-solder themselves - that would require temps of several 100s of degrees (Celsius, I don't do Fahrenheit), which is implausible at best. As I understand it what happens is the heat causes expansion/warping of the board, which cracks the solder, therefore making the connection intermittent or breaking it all together.

"If you would like to write a section about it, go for it, it might help people" That depends what you mean. If you meant a description of specific issues like those you mentioned they would have to be:

1. well sourced from (relatively) mainstream media. This is not to get the details, but to satisfy notability requirements (the failure rate would suggest that it is not worthy of it's own section but only maybe a sentence or two… if a failure rate for 60gigs can be found then that might be notable if it is above average)
2. carefully written - wikipedia is not a how-to, so providing such tutorials or guides is against policy.

Alphathon™ (talk) 14:27, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

FY2010 Q2 Worldwide Sales figures have been released

http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdataps3_sale_e.html

Sony has just released its Q2 figures today and Q2 saw 3.5 million units sold worldwide. Might want to update the page to reflect that. (Psychoneko (talk) 07:45, 29 October 2010 (UTC))

 Done Alphathon™ (talk) 08:58, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

No 1.4 HDMI

IMHO: If not fulfill HDMI 1.4 or not even 1.3 that information should be removed!

Tested with: Sony Bravia KDL40E5500K

PS3 Slim

HDMI 1.4 cable:Gold Plated 1080P HDMI V1.4 Male to Male Shielded Connection Cable (1.8M-Length) (n.b. better and cheaper than sony OEM:)

Ref: http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdmi_1_4/hec.aspx

http://3dvision-blog.com/playstation-3-firmware-3-20-to-add-3d-video-output-support/

http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.42297~r.34774240

It looks like Sony is worse than even chinese in this very case. What opinions others have?

Just my 0.05€

Thanks -Jack007- — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jack007 (talk • contribs) 21:41, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Hello again. I think you misunderstand how HDMI certification works. It is quite possible that a device is 1.3 but does not support any functions above 1.2 (for example) - it is all to do with how the hardware works. To put it another way, HDMI 1.4 is a maximum spec, and any device that supports parts of that spec (up to a sufficient standard) and meats the hardware requirements can classed as 1.4. That said, and as I said on your talk page, it should certainly be made clear in the article that it supports 3D, 1080p, LPCM audio, various bitstream audio formats etc, rather than implying it supports the absolute max 1.3a and/or 1.4 covers. Alphathon™ (talk) 21:57, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Hi, would you kindly check the [minim ] requirements? Or do you have some revert [logic]? Well, it is late nigth, bye and thanks for your contribution. -Jack007- — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jack007 (talk • contribs) 22:23, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, there are no "minimum" specs for 1.3 (specifically, rather than just HDMI as a whole), and the only 1.3 capability it supports is Dolby TrueHD/DTS-HD Master Audio bitstreaming (which is only on the slim models). All 1.3 capabilities appear to be optional. It's more along the lines that the hardware being used is capable of the bandwidth requirements of 1.3 (10.2 Gbit/s), even if it isn't utilised. Likewise for 1.4, with the only supported capability being 3D. Alphathon™ (talk) 23:11, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

By the way, if you want to link to a wikipedia page, the easiest way is to type the name of the article in double square-brackets like so: [[minimum]] (shows up as minimum). There is no need to type out the URL of the page. If you wish to use a different heading, you can use a "piped link", like this: [[minimum|minim]] (shows up as minim but links to minimum). Alphathon™ (talk) 23:19, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Unable to download as PDF

When I try to download the article as PDF, I get the following message: "WARNING: Article could not be rendered - ouputting plain text. Potential causes of the problem are: (a) a bug in the pdf-writer software (b) problematic Mediawiki markup (c) table is too wide"

I have been able to circumvent the problem to the first 2 line s of the "Model comparison" table, but I haven't been able to correct the problem using the wiki syntax. Maybe someone more experienced could fix this? Mstempin (talk) 17:22, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

How are you downloading it as a PDF? I'm not aware of an official download tools (doesn't mean they don't exist of course). It'd help if we could reproduce the problem.

BTW, circumvent doesn't mean what I think you think it means (I think you think it means to narrow down, but it's more along the lines of to work around or bypass. See: Wiktionary:Circumvent)

Alphathon™ (talk) 17:43, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

The PDF download tool exists indeed, and this is far from an "exotic" or "unofficial" tool: In the left menu, just go down to the "Print/export" heading and choose the "Download as PDF" item.

I am particularly interested in this function, as I plan to compile a PDF book on the video game console subject, and among the 800 resulting pages, this article is among the two (with 2009_in_video_gaming), that do not print correctly!

Sorry if I used a word incorrectly, but English is not my natural language (I am French). However, the first two Wiktionary definitions seem pretty close to what I meant:

• "avoid" or "bypass", as this was the first thing I tried to do when I encountered the problem
• "surround" our "besiege" is very close to "narrow down" as I really struggled against the bug, don't you think? Mstempin (talk) 20:38, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Ah I see, never noticed that function before. Anyway, I get the same error, so it's definitely a problem with the page (not some random bug that only happens to you). I'll look at the syntax of the page and see if I can get it working.

Don't worry about the incorrect word usage - I wasn't telling you off, just letting you know for future reference. Again, just so you know, "Surround" or "besiege" is in no way close to "narrow down" - by "narrow down" I mean you start with a long list of possible causes, and end up much shorter list (i.e. something in the first two lines of the the "Model comparison" table). Wiktionary:narrow down defines it as "Make more specific". which is pretty much what I mean. Now, what you said would make sense if changed to something like "I have been able to circumvent the problem by removing the first 2 lines of the "Model comparison" table". Circumvention is pretty much making it so the problem is irrelevant, but not actually fixing the problem (for example, deleting the table would circumvent it, but it wouldn't actually solve the problem of the table not rendering properly). By the way, other than that one word, your English seems fine to me.

Alphathon™ (talk) 21:00, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Looks like it's (c) table is too wide. I managed to get it to render by removing the double-column "features" section for the 20/60 GB models like so: User:Alphathon/PS3 table fix test page. Alphathon™ (talk) 21:28, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your efforts! Yes, your suggestion for my "circumvent" misuse makes more sense!

During my numerous tests, I found that removing the double-column solves the problem too, but I was looking more for a wiki syntax problem than for a pure width problem. As I am not a wiki syntax expert, I was pretty much stuck there.

Note that there is a similar problem in the second table from 2009_in_video_gaming.

Mstempin (talk) 21:59, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

As far as I can tell the only problem with the PS3 table is the width - when the boxes are put on separate rows it works fine but it only just fits. It also works fine if you remove one of the other columns but leave the multi-tier features section as-is, since that also reduces the width. I've had a look at 2009 in video gaming, but I can't seem to get it to work (although I fixed some issues). Alphathon™ (talk) 00:58, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

New Xmas bundle in Europe, as of November 5th

Just want to point out that, as of November 5th 2010, the PS3 (320gb version) has a bundle (with Gran Turismo 5) for sale in all of Europe.

News link Raven-14 (talk) 16:41, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

I've added it to the model comparison table (using Kotaku as the ref, since that is Joystiq's source). Thanks for the heads up. Alphathon™ (talk) 16:57, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

80GB MGS4 Bundle Availability

The PS3 Model CECHExx was not released in August 2007 as I own this model and waited 8 months for it. The month is still august but the year is 2008. IJake8 (talk) 20:05, 23 December 2010 (UTC)iJake8 12/23/2010

Units sold figure

I just noticed that the Units sold figure in the sidebar is pretty random.

It currently says 200 million and links to this page: http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdataps3_sale_e.html which adds up to nowhere near 200 million. Perhaps I'm missing something.

StuartGilbert (talk) 09:43, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

It was a seemingly arbitrary edit (possibly vandalism) by Xxjakesaysheyxx. He/she did the same to the Xbox 360 infobox (changing it to 196.9m from 44.6m). I've reverted it to the proper figure based on the ref. Alphathon™ (talk) 11:00, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

fail0verflow and Hacking

The article mentions the running of unsigned code on the PS3 using the hacking methods by fail0verflow. This is wrong. It should say signed code instead. As you may be aware, the private keys are now public and anybody can sign software and run it on the PS3, hence the term signed code. Games, updates, homebrew, you name it.

95.144.153.135 (talk) 21:01, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Root Key date

The recent text on the 3 Jan "Hello World" program signed with the root key, shows the year 2010, not 2011. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chris.Phillips (talk • contribs) 22:27, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

 Done, thanks for the heads up. Alphathon™ (talk) 22:35, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Keys

Should the signing keys be included in the article?Smallman12q (talk) 03:18, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

No. They're not encyclopaedic. I believe it would fall under WP:NOTGUIDE. The key is meaningless to or could not be understood by the "everyday reader" audience that articles are written for. Chimpanzee^{+ Us | Ta | Co} 11:58, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

This doesn't fall under NOTGUIDE. There should be a PlayStation 3 signing key controversy similar to the AACS encryption key controversy and Texas Instruments signing key controversy.Smallman12q (talk) 12:57, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

I don't know what you (Smallman12q) meant, but I think Chimpanzee is meaning the keys themselves shouldn't be included. The fact that they have been revealed by Geohot (and even roughly how it was achieved, although not an actual method) is already in the article (under "homebrew"), and was when you posted initially. Alphathon™ (talk) 13:20, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

You're correct, Alpha. I have no objection to talking about the fact that they've been revealed and any notable homebrew activities that follow, but they keys themselves (what the "everyday reader" will just see as a strings of random letters and numbers) isn't encyclopaedic. Chimpanzee^{+ Us | Ta | Co} 13:26, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 208.54.39.52, 10 January 2011

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Homebrew

Homebrew Section Addition

On January 8th 2011, George Hotz aka Geohot (famed iPhone hacker) has released a dongle free "Jailbreak"[1]for the Playstation 3. With his "Jailbroken" firmware, it adds an option to install .pkg files, in return which is homebrew for the Playstation 3. A long with the Jailbreak, he has released a set of tools that will enable anyone to sign their own applications as if they were Sony. A repository set up to put all of the 3.55 signed applications has been put in place[2]

208.54.39.68 (talk) 07:56, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

 Not done - The sources you provided can't be used as Console Spot is a self-published blog and therefore isn't considered to be a "reliable source". Please see WP:VG/RS for more info. Chimpanzee^{+ Us | Ta | Co} 09:53, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

PS3 40G comes with Sixaxis

The 40G version of PS3 comes with a Sixaxis controller, not a DualShock 3. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adiroiban (talk • contribs) 16:24, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

 Done. Good catch. Alphathon™ (talk) 17:57, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

SCEA legal action in progress

http://psx-scene.com/forums/f6/sony-mib-team-moving-fast-lawsuits-filed-against-mr-george-hotz-fail0verflow-just-added-more-new-court-files-75467/index2.html

This is going to get ugly in a hurry

Shentino (talk) 18:21, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20110218181557455

As Grocklaw points out, SCEA is being hit with a suit alleging violation of The Computer Fraud & Abuse Act, same charges they are bringing up against geohot.

WhiskeyedJack (talk) 04:28, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Canada-only 160GB Slim Bundle?

I am not sure exactly when this released or if it really is Canada exclusive, but there is a 160GB Slim bundle with Infamous and NHL 11 that came out sometime in November I believe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.250.116.240 (talk) 18:09, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

First, is it an official bundle (as in created by Sony, usually with custom packaging etc) or a store bundle (only the first is relevant)? Second, do you have a link to any info about it? Alphathon /'æl.f'æ.ðɒn/ ^(talk) 01:26, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

It is an official bundle, it all in a custom box from Sony. It seems to be Canada-only, only decent info on it with a picture is here. Can't find anything more official on it, sorry. Seems to be a holiday-only Canada-exclusive bundle, but it is definitely an official bundle, it was at all the major retail chains and it has its own packaging. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.250.116.240 (talk) 16:59, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

After a bit of googleing, I found an announcement of it on the Canadian PlayStation Blog - it doesn't get much more official than that. Thanks for the heads up. Alphathon /'æl.f'æ.ðɒn/ ^(talk) 17:11, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Incidentally, the post there also linked to a US page that listed a crap-ton of US bundles which also need to be added. Alphathon /'æl.f'æ.ðɒn/ ^(talk) 17:13, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Slim Model Power Consumption

In the first sentence under the Slim Model section heading it reads, "The redesigned, slimmer version of the PlayStation 3 (commonly referred to as the "PS3 Slim" and officially branded "PS3") is currently the only model in production. It features an upgradeable 120 GB, 160 GB, 250 GB or 320 GB hard drive and is 33% smaller, 36% lighter and consumes 34% (CECH-20xx) or 45% (CECH-21xx) less power than the previous model, or one third of the original PS3 model." 34-45% less power is not one third of the power use of the original PS3. It should read, "one third less than the original PS3," or, "two thirds of the original." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.110.52.137 (talk) 00:18, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

I think you've misread it. It's 34-45% less than the previous model (i.e. the newest 80GB/160GB fat models) and ⅓ of the original model (i.e. launch NTSC 20GB/60GB fat models). It could probably be worded better, but it is accurate. Alphathon /'æl.f'æ.ðɒn/ ^(talk) 03:27, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

… at least I think that's what it means. My calculations suggest the CECH-20xx uses ≈21% less than the 80GB/160GB fat models (based on the data on the linked Engadget page). Alphathon /'æl.f'æ.ðɒn/ ^(talk) 03:43, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Silver 160 GB PS3 Slim Edit request from 190.219.164.113, 19 January 2011

Edit semi-protected Where I live, here in Panama City, Panama, electronic stores sell silver slim PS3s bundled with either PES2011 or Gran Turismo 5. They only have these in the 160 GB version. Here are the links, there are other stores as well but i couldn't find them online.

http://www.panafoto.com/es/cat/prods/28/?pagina=2

http://www.multimax.net/index.php?target=categories&category_id=148

Although the image in the first link shows the PS3 with GT5 Prologue, it in fact comes with Gran Turismo 5(I have no idea why).

Please add Silver to 160GB slim PS3 available colors.

Also Add "Gran Turismo 5 (Panama; Silver console)" and "Pro Evolution Soccer 2011 (Panama; Silver console)" to Available bundles for Slim 160 Gb PS3. You may add the links as reference, idk how. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.219.164.113 (talk) 17:22, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your time and good day.

190.219.164.113 (talk) 20:45, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

If you make changes to your original message after someone has replied, please highlight them. It makes the conversation easier for others to follow. Some edits can make the person who replied look wrong or stupid. - X201 (talk) 09:51, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

What change do you want made? - X201 (talk) 09:27, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

I think they want the bundles and/or the the silver 160GB slim adding to the table (that's all I can think of at least). I'm not sure if those pages are sufficiently good as sources though. I'll see if I can find something better on Joystiq, Kotaku, Gamasutra, PlayStation.Blog etc. While on the subject I think something might have to be done with the bundles in the table - the list is getting ridiculous and I'm not even sure of the notability of it. Alphathon /'æl.f'æ.ðɒn/ ^(talk) 17:47, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

PS3 finally makes profit

After Years Sony made great losses on the PS3 but due to better technology and cheaper compartment the ps3 has finally turned profitable. Confirmed by Yoshida in an interview at IGN. http://techland.time.com/2010/07/01/ps3-finally-making-a-profit-for-sony/

Can someone look at this fairly new information for updating the sales and production costs section on the wikipage? Also Sony's motives for taking loss for so many years aren't very clear in the wikipage --1990irock (talk) 21:55, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Edit request

In infobox, please add Gran Turismo 5 as the best selling game. source: http://www.gtplanet.net/5-5-million-copies-of-gt5-sold-series-tops-60-million/ Taro James (talk) 11:44, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Digitalemu, 1 February 2011

Additional section after Custom Firmware in the "Homebrew" section of this document should be added.

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Playstation 3 Root Key(allows signing of code):

(Copyright material removed) - X201 (talk) 12:47, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Digitalemu (talk) 15:31, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

 Denied. The key itself is not notable (unlike the fact that is has been found, which is), and probably violates WP:NOTHOWTO (hard to say though). Also, the legality of posting that here is questionable - I'm not even sure it should be here on the talk page. Alphathon /'æl.f'æ.ðɒn/ ^(talk) 15:49, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Is that some DMCA crap? It sounds like you're saying it might be illegal to propagate information that has been made public. (I do agree the key isn't notable though) Spacexplosion^[talk] 18:34, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Not specifically, but possibly. As I said, the legality of posting that here is questionable. IANAL, and as such would rather err on the side of caution, especially when copyright law is involved (which seems to be subject to some rather illogical, unbalanced and inconsistent rules). I'm not even sure what jurisdiction it would fall under, since Wikipedia is primarily hosted in the US, but also has servers in Europe (I know it at least has servers in the Netherlands) and probably elsewhere, and the original software (of which the key is part) likely originated in Japan. Apart from that, since it might be considered part of the PS3 OS, it's distribution might be illegal - if something is copyrighted and someone makes a copy, it is still illegal to copy the copy.

Basically, I don't know if it's illegal or not, but since it is at least questionable, possibly covers multiple jurisdictions and it isn't notable anyway, I would certainly not be surprised if it is at the very least against Wikipedia policy to post it.

Alphathon /'æl.f'æ.ðɒn/ ^(talk) 18:56, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Its a blatant Copyvio. Sony owns the copyright on it and they haven't released it for publication. - X201 (talk) 12:56, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

I asked about this on Copyright problems and it seems like a bit of a grey area as a random series of numbers may not be eligible for copyright protection. A part of of a piece of copyrighted software isn't necessarily protected either. But from the sounds of how Sony's legal action is going, the US Courts seem to think that publishing the keys violates the DMCA. This is all moot in terms of Wikipedia though as whether it's legal or not, the key isn't encyclopaedic. Chimpanzee^{+ Us | Ta | Co} 13:17, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

I'd agree that the numbers themselves are not copyrightable, but I think that the framework arrangement of them into several different sections is. - X201 (talk) 13:24, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Good thing you're not a member of the judicial system then, or everything would get censored like you just did to WP. Spacexplosion^[talk] 18:52, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

The judicial-system is a broad term and would include requirements for copyright law and publishing of such information on a site that clearly has their own rules established. Your issue is not really about whether or not an WP editor would be good or bad belonging to the "judicial system" or with censoring "everything" as you put it, but rather more about you overlooking all current law and statutes in order for you to publish *anything* you want regardless of law. Word Logix (talk) 20:39, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

My issue is that there is no precedent set for a private key being subject to copyright, and it annoys me when people heavy-handedly censor because they're afraid of liability. Your comment is long-winded nonsense. Spacexplosion^[talk] 18:56, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 82.66.35.84, 12 February 2011 (Stereoscopic 3D paragraph)

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Proposition to place at the end of the Stereoscopic 3D paragraph :

However, it is possible to play some stereoscopic 3D games compatible with 2D TV sets, thanks to the classical anaglyphic (red-cyan) glasses or the newer TriOviz Inficolor 3D[3] [4] glasses and Image processing. 82.66.35.84 (talk) 04:05, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

I don't know; anaglyph etc can be done on any system that displays in colour and as such may not be notable. Implementation of such tech is dependent on the devs and is in no way related to the output of the console (other than being in colour). They would of course be notable on the pages about those games, so could possibly be brought up there. Alphathon /'æl.f'æ.ðɒn/ ^(talk) 04:22, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

I'm inclined to agree with Alphathon--I don't see why this is specifically relevant to the PS3. However, editors may continue discussing; since discussion is ongoing, I'm going to untransclude the request; if a consensus is reached and no autoconfirmed user is here, then please make a new request. Qwyrxian (talk) 05:39, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

That wording is too spammy. I changed "compatible TV" to "compatible display" to make it more generic. Display can sort of cover a combination of TV and glasses without mentioning specific brands. That and one might use a monitor or projector instead. Spacexplosion^[talk] 15:39, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Edit resuest for PS3 hardware sales, from --86.156.80.215 (talk) 15:17, 3 March 2011 (UTC), 03 March 2011

PS3 hardware sales are only 41.6 million not the 47+ million stated, http://www.joystiq.com/2011/03/03/ps3-stats-over-41-million-consoles-sold-psn-revenue-up-70-perc/