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Impact of the 2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami on the video game industry

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The earthquake is having an impact on all sorts of industries. Giving undue attention to the video game industry is not a neutral point of view. Colonel Warden (talk) 23:20, 17 March 2011 (UTC) Colonel Warden (talk) 23:20, 17 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep - First, you did this way wrong. You nominated the talkpage for deletion. I think someone who nominated so many articles for deletion would not have made this mistake. Secondly, we were having a merge discussion on the talkpage of the article, so it is somewhat disruptive to cut off that discussion and start a new one. Thirdly, there are plenty of sources covering this, and it meets notability requirements. Just because WP:OTHERSTUFFDOESNTEXIST doesn't mean this shouldn't. Blake (Talk·Edits) 23:26, 17 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Am I to understand that I am obligated to not make this article if other editors have failed to make articles for their respective industries? All content is verified by reliable sources, and fulfills the notability criteria. I also must strongly criticize the fact that you are proposing the deletion of legitimate content instead of contributing to the discussion of whether to merge into a general entertainment industry impact article or an economic impact article. And I must further point out that efforts have been made to make articles about other industries. Additionally, NPOV has nothing to do with the existence of articles. The nutshell description: "This page in a nutshell: Editors must write articles from a neutral point of view, representing all significant views fairly, proportionately, and without bias." The article is from a neutral point of view, it represents all significant views fairly, proportionately, and without bias. We are not giving our own personal POVs in this article. All content is verified and focuses on the reliable sources' POV and determination of notability. If we had no articles on PlayStation 2 games and many on Wii games, would that be undue weight? No, it would just mean that editors have no taken the initiative to cover other aspects. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 23:26, 17 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • The article cannot be considered in isolation as it is a fork of the main article about the earthquake. WP:UNDUE states "An article should not give undue weight to any aspects of the subject but should strive to treat each aspect with a weight appropriate to its significance to the subject. For example, discussion of isolated events, criticisms, or news reports about a subject may be verifiable and neutral, but still be disproportionate to their overall significance to the article topic. This is a concern especially in relation to recent events that may be in the news.". The main article says nothing at all about the impact on the videogames industry. If that is the correct proportion of significance then it is disproportionate to have a whole article about this minor detail. Colonel Warden (talk) 00:02, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - In addition to the above arguments, it seems that the nominator has gotten the WP policy on this wrong. There is not a risk of WP:UNDUE to all of Wikipidia because some articles exist and others do not. The criterium should be notability of the subject. In my mind, this subject has been covered extensively by many well reputed and major RSs, and it's notability is established.LedRush (talk) 23:31, 17 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep: Perhaps the paragraph detailing all the held back titles due to the crisis could be made into a list, but there's a plenitude of sources and significant data. The claims for deletion are somewhat refuted by the "See also:" article linked at the bottom of this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Twentysixpurple (talk • contribs) 04:58, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete/Merge: As per my discussion in the talk page, I feel that this article is not really necessary. Simply putting the information on the appropriate pages (for example, game delays on the particular game pages), writing a brief summary in the main article, and including charitable contributions from gaming-related sources in the humanitarian article is my stance on it. The information should be included on Wikipedia, I just don't think it should be in this article. It reads less like an encyclopedic article (which should be written based on long-term notability and impact) and more as a splash page for WikiNews. In the long term, I could see it being merged into an economic impact article as well, but it feels like this article suffers from recentism and undue weight. There's plenty of coverage, sure, but is it really necessary to have this on its own article and not have the information distributed in more appropriate places? I think not. Dragonmaw (talk) 05:37, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • The information IS on the appropriate pages - the game articles, and this article. The game cancellations are all linked together as a single event, which more than warrants an article. The article has been steadily growing, and shows no indication of stopping. This is also particularly different from your original concerns, where you were concerned with it being in bad taste or being an effort by video game efforts to supposedly make Wikipedia a "video game enthusiast site". - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 06:06, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • I clarified my concerns on the talk page. This is what discussions are for, after all. If you want to get snippy because I happened to elucidate my concerns on "appearing like a video game enthusiast site," then I think you have bigger issues to deal with. As I read and talked things over, I came to a clearer position on the subject. Don't focus so much on original positions. Focus on what people are saying NOW. Otherwise you appear overly pedantic and not really interested in advancing the discussion. Dragonmaw (talk) 12:05, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • There is no policy about overlapping (i.e. redundant) material being inappropriate. Both the game/company articles and this page can list delays/cancellations/etc. As I've replied on this page elsewhere, UNDUE is not BIAS. Article is NPOV, because it covers its topic (aftermath on video game industry) from a neutral video gaming perspective. Nobody having written an article on other industries or topics is BIAS, but that is not notability criteria. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 08:39, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game related deletion discussions. (G·N·B·S·RS·Talk) Reach Out to the Truth 00:56, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. Reach Out to the Truth 00:56, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. Reach Out to the Truth 00:56, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete/Merge to the relevant articles (such as Economic impact of the 2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami, which should be created, or delete if it was spun out from those articles in the first place). This is the sort of thing that gives Wikipedia a bad name. The impression given is that people care more about this article than working on the main article about the event. Not that similar, but in the same vein, was Library damage resulting from the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake. That stuck out like a sore thumb at the time, and I nominated it for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Library damage resulting from the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake. I was considering doing the same here. There is more than enough to do on the article about the event, without distracting sub-articles like this. Carcharoth (talk) 06:47, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • I was going to make a long reply, but I realized that nothing you say appeals to any guideline or policy. Show me one thing in your argument that isn't based on emotional reaction or censoring controversial articles. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 07:00, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • Oh, this article is not controversial. Just ill-judged and poorly timed. It is, as the nominator pointed out, an undue focus on a small area of this disaster. When the 'economic impact' article is created, this article will likely be merged there. Wikipedia is not, contrary to what some people think, edited by policy diktat. It is edited by users who exercise judgment about what to include when and where, and who sometimes disagree over those instances of what is known as editorial judgment. It is not, I must emphasise again, necessary to justify everything with a Wikipedia policy or guideline. Sometimes common sense is enough. Carcharoth (talk) 07:35, 18 March 2011 (UTC) PS. Your signature is rather long.[reply]
        • Why will it likely be merged there? And why is your argument so haphazardly flipflopping? You go from claiming that it will give Wikipedia a bad impression to using the patently inane argument that giving such focus to this subject is distracting (what does that even mean? Is the main article screeching to a halt due to this article?) to "it's common sense". Can you tell me what this article has to fulfill? Let's look at the list...

#Fulfills WP:V

  1. Fulfills [{WP:N]]
  2. Fulfills WP:OR
Care to tell me what we have to fulfill yet?
Overall, I'm questioning why a quite large article was brought to deletion based on a misinterpretation of policies and guidelines. It is entirely inappropriate for this to be discussed here. If we're going to mention undue weight, we'll also mention the undue weight that such a large article would create if it were merged. Fact of the matter is that people have said "give it time to grow and expand and if nothing comes of it, then we can merge", and the answer became "nope". Always inspiring to see the response in this kind of community to be completely and utterly anti-communal. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 07:51, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • The policy which is being violated here is WP:NPOV which is a core policy. As explained above, this states "discussion of isolated events, criticisms, or news reports about a subject may be verifiable and neutral, but still be disproportionate to their overall significance". So, it is not enough that content be verifiable; it must be proportionate too. When one browses general news coverage for effects of the earthquake, the industries that show up include: insurance; forex; commodities, electronics, components, automobile, travel and nuclear. Videogames do not appear that I've seen. Your efforts seem to be based upon your personal interest in this aspect and, by seeking out and cherry-picking news items related to this interest, you create the appearance of an effect which the world does not recognise as significant. This has the nature of improper synthesis. Colonel Warden (talk) 08:21, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wikipedia:Other stuff exists (essay, yes): "Delete We do not have an article on y, so we should not have an article on this. –GetRidOfIt! 04:04, 4 April 2004 (UTC)" Looks remarkably similar to your argument. Did I write any references included? Nope. You are clearly lacking in ANY understanding of WP:NPOV, which seeks to keep editors' POVs, not an "unbalanced coverage of a subject". I would be lying if I said that the truthfulness and notability of this article wasn't blatantly demonstrated in the dozens upon dozens of reliable sources that cover the impact on the video game industry in depth. I created it because other, unaffiliated parties discussed it. And yes, I created it because of a personal interest in a subject. To reiterate how utterly inane your argument is, if there is a disproportionate number of articles of Wii games versus PS3 games, what is the appropriate action? Explain to me why the appropriate action is to delete content, not make content to make the coverage more broad. I'm sorry that people into automobiles and people into electronics didn't have the initiative to make the respective articles for their hobbies. I do not take responsibility for them our their hobby, and a demonstratively notable article does not, either. And I recommend you actually learn what Synthesis entails - it is the act of taking two sources and coming to a personal deduction that, even though it may be very probable or even true, is not covered in the two sources. This is looking at many reliable sources covering the subject in non-trivial detail - AOL, MSNBC, Wired, Kotaku, IGN, GameSpy, Shacknews, The Telegraph, etc. all cover it in significant detail. Oh, by the way, you forgot to put citation needed next to your comment of what people see as important sectors affected. Your personal opinion is trumped by the fact that reliable sources DO think that the impact on the industry is significant - MSNBC even did an article detailing many different impacts of the industry in one. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 08:42, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep There is nothing wrong with the article, it passes any policy or guideline you care to throw at it. The delete argument is based purely on emotion; about it being too soon or showing WP in a bad light. The original nomination based on NPOV is wrong. NPOV doesn't apply to the article in comparison to other articles; just because similar articles haven't been created. If its deleted on that basis, it will effectively be saying that no article can be created on WP unless you have created articles covering every other aspect of an event or occurrence. - X201 (talk) 09:16, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I saw the the article earlier today and I was like "well isn't this a bit too specific?". Then I read the article and saw it was very well sourced, and far from WP:TRIVIA. It's not like the Japanese videogame industry is small, and we do have similar articles on things like List of audiovisual entertainment affected by the September 11 attacks which is very similar to this one. Maybe the article can be enlarged to the "japanese entertainment industry" in general, but that's another debate. Hence resounding keep. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 09:22, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete the article is a synthesis of sources talking about disparate topics, and does not assert significance. The first sentence is marked with {{citation needed}}; afaics, none of the sources used support the proposition of this article. Show me some in-depth independent media that is writing about this niche topic. Not the industry talking about itself. Someone outside the industry who has seen this as a significant aspect. Even that would only justify a mention in the main article. To justify a full article about this, you would need a chapter in a book. The video game industry contributed, and they were affected. That does not distinguish them from all the other major industries in Japan. John Vandenberg (chat) 09:59, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • [1] - literally two seconds of work to find this link in the very article you were reading. This is written by someone outside the industry. So is the link to The Telegraph, and the link to Wired. And I love your arbitrary "chapter of a book" threshold. Since no book covers the tsunami at all, that's pretty much a call to delete all articles, wouldn't you agree? - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 10:02, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • That is a blog, written by people inside the industry. Please take the time to understand my rationale before you post comments which demonstrate my point. John Vandenberg (chat) 10:07, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        • Have fun demonstrating to me that the simple nature of being a blog makes it an inappropriate source. Are you arguing that MSNBC does not have proper editorial oversight of the content it posts? - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 10:15, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
          • Blogs are not suitable sources to demonstrate notability. John Vandenberg (chat) 12:02, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
          • You completely misread, willfully or not, the intent of his comment. The MSNBC blog you are referencing is a videogame enthusiast blog, not a general-interest one (such as a newspaper). Winda Benedetti, it should be noted, has an online resume that indicates her primarily videogame enthusiast focus. As far as I can tell in your linked articles, you do not source a single non-enthusiast publication. You need to make the distinction between blogs and their owners. For example, Joystiq is run by AOL's Weblogs Inc. sub-division, but it is not AOL. Likewise, the Wired post leads to a sub-blog, as does the MSNBC post. This seems to be Vandenberg's main issue with the article: it sources entirely enthusiast press and not generally notable publications. Dragonmaw (talk) 12:05, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
            • You know, it's not exactly helping you to link to a policy that doesn't mention blogs at all. You know what'd be really cool? If we linked to something that did mention blogs. Oh, I know: WP:V. "Several newspapers host columns that they call blogs. These are acceptable as sources, so long as the writers are professionals and the blog is subject to the newspaper's full editorial control." Please do not comment on something that you clearly have absolutely no understanding of.
              • I feel confident enough to note that videogame enthusiast press is generally not editorially controlled by their parent companies. The Huffington Post (and AOL in general) does not determine the editorial content of Joystiq. The managing editors of Joystiq do. So please do not comment on something that you yourself clearly have no understanding of. Dragonmaw (talk) 19:40, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
            • I'll admit that most of the coverage of this is by enthusiasts. I will ask you why I am obligated, however, to demonstrate that she is acting with objectivity and not writing this article solely from her enthusiasm. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 12:13, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
              • You're being asked to demonstrate that what she (and all the other sourced articles) is writing about is generally notable enough to warrant inclusion as a separate article, rather than simply rolling the information into other articles. Since there's no sources on your page from appropriate publications given the topic (namely, general or business-oriented publications), there's not a whole lot of reason to keep this article. If you mind finding some notable sources discussing the long-term impact of the earthquake on the gaming industry, I'll change my tune to a Keep. Dragonmaw (talk) 19:40, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • (edit conflict) Focusing on video gaming industry and being from video game industry are two different things. MSNBC is not some biased blog that says other sectors are not important. The sources are independent. There are multiple sources. The coverage is definitely not trivial. Everything the GNG needs. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 12:17, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per John Vandenberg, who has very concisely and logically explained why this article should not exist, precisely that there is no independent coverage of this topic. Goodvac (talk) 10:18, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's shocking how much blatant bias against the industry has been expressed in this discussion. Particularly showing is John Vandenberg arguing that because someone has expertise in the industry, they are not an independent source. It's no coincidence that we do not see this logic applied to films, electronics, or automobiles. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 10:24, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. To sum up the article: 1) Stocks fell - it's unclear what the long term impact will be on the video game industry. 2) A few games have been delayed or cancelled. 3) Companies are fundraising. Taking these in turn: 1) Lots of companies stocks fell, and it isn't clear what will happen. The bigger picture in this, and what is being reported in the press, has a lot more to do with the currency than anything specifically video game related. 2) Lots of different events and initiatives have been put back or cancelled. This is not video game specific in any way. 3) Lots of different businesses and organisations are fundraising. There is nothing specific about this industry to set apart it's efforts. To summarise - the earthquake has massively affected a lot of people and businesses, but there is nothing unique about its affects on the video game industry. This article falls afoul of WP:NOTNEWS and WP:RECENT. Quantpole (talk) 11:35, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • Again, it's pretty egregious how poorly most proponents of deletion/merging have responded to even the slightest notion of waiting to see how the article turns out. There's no real way to demonstrate that it does not apply to WP:RECENT if it is immediately deleted with no opportunity to improve. The fact of the matter is that you seem to be looking far outside what the actual threshold is - coverage by a reliable source, which has been demonstrated with dozens of reliable sources giving extensive, non-trivial coverage. The non-gaming oriented sources do not write these articles with the intention of covering them as part of the wider economic crisis - they cover them as exclusive articles on the impact on video games and nothing else. The fact of the matter is that, not being a print encyclopedia, there is no reason to be rushing to deleting legitimate content, a rush that is very clearly occurring. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 11:57, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • Likewise, why was there a rush to create a mostly superfluous article that has tenuous at best long-term merits? Nobody is suggesting that the content be outright deleted, just that the article itself is unnecessary and runs afoul of several principles. Plus, it looks bad and reflects poorly on Wikipedia, and in the end, people make judgement calls as to whether or not an article is appropriate. A number of people (myself included) think that this article is both logically unnecessary and emotionally inappropriate, and a number of others (yourself included) think otherwise. Dragonmaw (talk) 12:10, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        • I and several other editors have already explained to you that "bad taste" is not only entirely based on personal point of view, but completely inapplicable to whether something should be deleted, merged, etc. There was no rush in making a so-called superfluous article. The content had reached a certain level of notability and, as such, was split out from the userspace. To assume that just because gaming journalists are enthusiastic of what they cover that what they cover should be scrutinized is absurd. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 12:26, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
          • You and several other editors also apparently fail to account for public perception as well. Even if this article didn't have a number of flaws (notably the ones listed here from those calling for deletion/merger), it would still be inappropriate and still a candidate for deletion otherwise. Why? Because people are inherently emotional beings and this article runs afoul of plenty of emotions. I've seen (and have contributed to) threads discussing how emotionally inappropriate the article is. Sources are not everything. That being said, the point of the article is the impact of the earthquake on the gaming industry. For one, we've seen only tentative speculation from random sources as to the long-term impact, and short term impact is simply not notable, as per WP:NOTNEWS. To quote: Wikipedia considers the enduring notability of persons and events. Timely news subjects not suitable for Wikipedia may be suitable for our sister project Wikinews. For two, the impact has not been noted by any sources except for enthusiast press. If it is affecting the business, where are the prominent business publications? This is such a narrowly focused topic and you seem to simply be gathering news sources for purposes of synthesis. The implication is that the earthquake will have a long-term effect, and that we should simply "wait and see" on the article. This is a disingenuous argument that aims to avoid deletion on the grounds of this not being an appropriately encyclopedic article, specifically that this article has zero sourced articles remarking on the enduring notability of the earthquake's effect on media. At least in List of audiovisual entertainment affected by the September 11 attacks there is the notability that the world trade centers no longer exist. There's nothing like that here. Dragonmaw (talk) 19:40, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        • On the contrary Dragonmaw, the editors that start their comments with "Delete" are in fact calling for "outright deletion".
          Regardless, the "emotionally inappropriate" aspect of this is irrelevant to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. We can go back and forth on what is emotionally appropriate, but I think it best to keep such comments out of this discussion. (Guyinblack25 talk 16:37, 18 March 2011 (UTC))[reply]
          • I don't see why. But regardless, I don't see people calling for the content of the article (the delay notifications and charity contributions) to be deleted, just the article itself. Hence the position that they are aiming for said content to be merged into other areas rather than put into a frankly embarrassing article. Dragonmaw (talk) 19:40, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • (edit conflict) There is nothing specific to set Sand Cat or Jungle Cat from other Felis either. It does not mean they don't meet GNG. Other industries may or may not be affected. They may be more affected, they may be less afected. But that is not a WP:DEL argument. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 12:17, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • If this was such a notable topic, then there would be some sources actually talking about the effect on the video game industry holistically. As it stands we have a variety of sources reporting on different companies and different effects but none (as far as I can see) talking about this topic as a whole. The article is synthesis of reporting on different things to create a topic. I was highlighting that it is not unique to the video game industry to show that it is not an individual topic. I could well see an article on "Economic impact of the 2011 earthquake" as that is a topic which have received significant coverage. Some of the info in this article could be relevant to Humanitarian response to the 2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami. Quantpole (talk) 13:38, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        • To be specific, it seems to be a synthesis of random reports that aims to create an impression of long-term impact without any sourced publications actually speculating on said long-term impact. It's a collection of news to advance a position, basically. Dragonmaw (talk) 19:40, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Highly relevant article, the fact that videogames showing natural disasters delayed their release because of the earthquake is worthy of an article alone. The rest of the article is extremely well researched. I can only assume people have said "delete" without reading it, or as a kneejerk reaction believing that it's in poor taste to write about the impact on the videogames industry when the impact on real people is so much more important. But the fact that it's more important, does not mean that an article on the impact on a particular type of business is not worthy of an article also. It is. And that is why I believe this is definitely a "keep", as would an article on the earthquake and tsunami's impact on the financial sector, tourism sector, etc etc. --Tris2000 (talk) 12:14, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 14:29, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: I suspect that there are a number of emotions involved in this overall discussion, so I'll try to stick to policy.
    A number of editors have stated that the coverage does not meet thresholds, specifically with the coverage outside the video game industry. WP:V does not state that we cannot use the industry experts to discuss the industry. Even then, we have industry's journalist talking about the industry's producers. For example, MCV, Shacknews, and Edge.
    That being said, the topic has received coverage outside gaming publications: NY Times about the N3DS, ANN about the relief efforts of the VG industry among others, TIME about the delays and server shutdowns, AOL News about the relief efforts, The Escapist about the relief efforts, Wired about the relief efforts, The Telegraph about the Motorstorm release and industry relief efforts, and USA Today about the condition of the gaming employees.
    In regard to the neutrality of the article, I think the comments about WP:NPOV are misconstruing the intent of the policy, which is mainly about presenting controversial viewpoints in a balanced manner. While I understand that the policy extends beyond that, I think this article still complies with it. The scope of the article is clearly defined and presents the relevant information without bias. The fact that other articles about the economic impact don't yet exist is no fault of the article. The information is out there, and I'm sure similar articles will be written later. WP:VG members were just the first to take the initiative. If you take a look at our Featured and Good article output, that may not surprise you.
    Regardless of all that, per Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/FAQ#Lack of neutrality as an excuse to delete, "there is usually no need to immediately delete text than can instead be rewritten as necessary over time."
    While the main earthquake article probably doesn't mention anything about the video game industry, I assure you that it will was the article is stable. The number of third-party articles that covered the gaming industry's response is too great to ignore. I for one always leave current event articles to those more adept at dealing with such liquid articles. And I suspect that others share that view.
    In closing, I want to say that I think this AFD is premature. I concede that this article might have been created prematurely, but it quickly morphed into a quality article. Regardless of the number of voices hear, I hope that the closing admin sees the timing and the type of arguments here and realizes that this should be discussed at a later time. (Guyinblack25 talk 15:10, 18 March 2011 (UTC))[reply]
    • Let's dissect the linked articles a bit. None of them certainly suppose a viewpoint that the earthquake has any long-term impact. Some even state that it has little short-term impact (no 3DS delays). Out of all the sourced articles, the Wired, Telegraph, TIME, USA Today, and NY Times blogs are all gaming enthusiast sub blogs that do not remark whatsoever on the long-term impact of the quake. They are simply reporting gaming news, as that's what they do. I don't know why you listed The Escapist as an outsider source, as it is an explicitly gaming-focused source. Did you mean to put something else there? The AOL News and ANN articles are the only two outsider publications to give it any notice, but even then they are merely stating "some charity was given." Why would this deserve a separate article and not inclusion in the humanitarian response article? I can think of no particular reason. It's news and notable, but not notable enough to warrant a separate article. Could easily be rolled into the humanitarian aid one. Dragonmaw (talk) 19:59, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: the nominator's rationale and most of the delete !votes seem to revolve around WP:WAX, which is laughable, and WP:UNDUE, which is misconstrued and taken out of the intent of the guideline (UNDUE refers to a POV being given excessive coverage on a specific article compared to other POVs, so citing it to justify deleting a spin-off article is just silly). I think people are looking at it too much from the perspective of the quakes and not enough from the perspective of the longer-reaching impacts it has been having. While some think it trivial to look at the video game industry so closely in light of the humanitarian aspects, that is POV in and of itself (and it's worth noting that this isn't a zero-sum game, editors aren't necessarily sacrificing work on the main articles to contribute to this one). While it is true that nearly every industry in Japan was affected, I don't think that most of them had the same impact on an individual global industry. Japan accounts for a very large portion of the global video game industry and market... I might even guess it to be almost half; this makes it a very significant event in the history of video gaming. While there may be a compelling argument that it would outscope the more broad economic impacts, there is not yet an article on that; a merger discussion would be the appropriate venue if it ever is created, and deletion now would simply throw away all of that content and attribution. If people think it is in poor taste to write about the effects of video gaming while people are suffering, they can work on the other articles (and maybe write on the other economic impacts instead of bitching about what was already written); this article is well-written and well-sourced, and WP:VG's work should be an example of how other WikiPrpjects can write about this disaster. bahamut0013wordsdeeds 15:16, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep for the same reasons as bahamut0013 explains above. Bondegezou (talk) 15:24, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - It is astounding that this much work and quality went into such a narrow cul de sac before a proper Economic impact of the 2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami was created — with this material assigned its proper place in that. Its pretty sad if you think about it much. Does it mean that this generation of Wikipedians is unable to see past the game console in their living room? That's my take. This article should stand for now, but it's shameful and an absolute travesty that this material precedes serious material on the impact of the catastrope upon the Japanese economy as a whole. Carrite (talk) 16:02, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • Shameful in your opinion. It's not yours to judge what other people do, because you are merely assuming what other people are like before you've actually met them. There's more to it than "ignorance of a humanitarian disaster". We are aware that a terrible disaster has occurred, and that human lives have been lost. However, this appeal to emotion does not mean that a topic relating to videogames that have a relation to the earthquake incident is definitely a "shameful" thing to write about in Wikipedia. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 16:11, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • [Edit Conflict]Your [Carrite's] response is as insulting as it is ignorant. I would ask you to redact your comments, but your reliance on tired language used to demonize video gamers leads me to believe that your prejudice precludes reasoned discourse on this issue. That you would comment to merely hurl prejudiced insults on follow wikipedians is the real shame here.LedRush (talk) 16:17, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • I'd like to echo some of Benlisquare's comments. No one involved in the article's creation and writing believes that the impact on the gaming industry overshadows the disaster's more broad impacts. To characterize the edits as such is crossing a line, in my opinion. WP:VG members are simply doing what we do best: write about video game topics. It's not the WP:VG members' fault that other projects either don't have the workforce or article experience to write something similar. (Guyinblack25 talk 16:25, 18 March 2011 (UTC))[reply]
    • This is a cheap shot, and I apologise in advance, but: "It's shameful and an absolute travesty" that you chose to come here and berate your fellow Wikipedians and their article, rather than spend your time creating the article that you moan doesn't exist. I'll turn your comment around and ask you a question. Why haven't you created the economic impact article? There are plenty of articles and news stories to base it on. I initially thought that your comment was a troll, but no, you really do hold the biased opinion that Video Games - and by extension every member of WP:VG - are pathetic and shouldn't be part of Wikipedia.- X201 (talk) 16:34, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • Members of WikiProject Video games worked together to write an article about the disaster's effect on the video game industry. It's what they do, write articles about video games and related topics. It's already been stated that the article's authors aren't familiar enough other topic areas to write articles about other effects of the disaster. But if someone more qualified wants to do so, by all means go ahead. Reach Out to the Truth 16:55, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: There is nothing immediately wrong with the article in regards to Wikipedia policy (that is, WP:N, WP:V, WP:RS, WP:OR, WP:NPOV, WP:BLP, et cetera... and if there really are problems, they can easily be fixed), and I suspect that the opposition to the article is based on a bias forming from opinion and emotion regarding the earthquake disaster incident. Appeal to emotion has no place on Wikipedia, in my opinion; an article is notable and verifiable, regardless of current events. Not to be arguing that WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, but List of audiovisual entertainment affected by the September 11 attacks discusses a topic which, probably controversial, relates to a similar disaster which resulted in many deaths, however, like I said earlier, neither the death toll of 9-11 nor the earthquake should affect the existence of an article on the entertainment industry simply due to the opinion of some people that such articles are "bad taste". (Note: I might reword my !vote tomorrow; it's 2:07AM right now in my timezone, and I'm drowsy) -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 16:04, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I have already voted delete. There is a lot of talk about whether the article is in bad taste or not, or violates neutral point of view blah blah. Personally I feel this is the kind of article that is an embarrassment to the entire Wikipedia project, but this is completely irrelevant and I cannot judge the people who created it. The crucial thing is that Wikipedia is not news. The fact that something can be verified from multiple sources does not make it notable and enduring. Stock prices are just today's news. Same goes for video game release dates or whether a server is online or not. Businesses are donating to the relief effort. This is a normal thing for businesses to do in such circumstances. There is absolutely nothing that indicates that this is a subject of enduring notability. Nobody is saying the industry will not recover. The Nikkei index is already up 6% today. Nor is there anything that indicates that there is any negative effect specific to the videogame industry (for an example of specificity, the potential effect of nuclear fallout on agriculture, fishing etc.) Please think about how this article will look in the far future. WP:NOTNEWS 24.69.71.254 (talk) 18:18, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep - I came here so sure I was going to !vote delete, but this article does have substantial sourced coverage of the effect of the disaster on this specific industry, so there's definite notability. This is not the right place to discuss a possible expansion of the scope of the article to economic effect of maybe the entertainment industry in general; that should take place on talk pages. Yaksar (let's chat) 18:56, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. No one can doubt the diligence and good intentions of the author in putting this together, and no one can doubt the sourcing is impeccable, but these facts do not an encyclopedia article make. All this page contains is a series of moves by a disparate array of companies taken because of the earthquake. Nothing ties these actions together other than the common strain of being a reaction to the disaster, so the article contains no thesis, no main idea, and no point. We could probably make five hundred or a thousand or five thousand articles like this for every industry or company affected by any of a bewildering array of disasters over the past decade, but in general we have not done so. Heck, we could probably find enough newspaper stories to create cohesive articles on a dozen or more people who have no notability save for becoming casualties of this disaster, but we do not do that either. That is because this is an encyclopedia, not a newspaper. It is not the job of wikipedia to keep track of daily stock price fluctuations or company donations; absent any special impact, there is no need. The video game industry was barely affected by the tragedy, and the responses by these companies are not in any way abnormal for giant corporations after an event of this magnitude. Absent these special circumstances, there is undue focus on something incredibly minor in this sweeping disaster. WP:UNDUE does not cover this situation as others have pointed out, but the sentiment that coverage is undue in this case is valid. Indrian (talk) 21:36, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - I believe there isn't enough evidence to prove that this article should be deleted. There are enough sources (and more to come eventually) to make this article relevant. GamerPro64 (talk) 00:58, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - per above.--Paaerduag (talk) 02:38, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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