Talk:Nicolas Cage

The Untouchables: Capone Rising

Somebody should add this movie to his filmography for 2012. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.229.220.80 (talk) 19:58, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Minor fix

Under Filmography, Adaptation has an extraneous period after the name.

Possible sabotage

Either someone sabotages the "personal interests" section, or Nicolas Cage has the funniest interests of all time. 12.208.70.207 18:41, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Wife

isnt that a little sexist? why does "alice kim" page redirect to nicolas cage page with not even info on her? (random user) oct 2005

No, she hasn't done anything notable other than marry a notable person. Therefore she has no article of her own so her name redirects here. Dismas|^(talk) 18:42, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Surname change

Recently, Nick has said that he changed his name to Cage bcause of composer Christopher Cage. Not sure why he changed his mind as to why he changed his last name, but he did. Rayner23 15:51, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

First of all, the composer's first name is John, not Christopher. Also, he said that John Cage is a second inspiration in addition to the superhero Luke Cage/Power Man. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.209.118.221 (talk) 17:02, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Bloody lip

There is a persistent minor urban legend in some circles that Nicholas Cage sports a bloody lip in every movie he's been in. Is there any truth to this? Should it be documented? Can we modify his filmography to include a "Bloody Lip Yes/No" field? :) 24.69.16.245 23:18, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Note one previous comment: To my knowledge of remembrence, Cage did not have a bloody nose in National Treasure. Correct me, if I am wrong, but I am fairly sure of that.

Cage makes reference to his spirital interests

Being an expert on 16th century German mystic, Jacob Boehme, it was interesting to hear Cage make mention of him:

In the second week of February 2007 while appearing on the Jay Leno show promoting his new movie Ghost Rider, Cage stated that one of his “great interests…was 16th century German mysticism”, which can only be meant the writings of Jacob Boehme, a prolific author of Neoplatonic-like mysticism and speculation about the One (Godhead).

The ONLY "16th century German Mystic" was Jacob Boehme, a very very prolific author of profound metaphysics - User Attasarana

Related: He "admits" that he's a Christian? Do we need it to sound like a crime, a secret? I'm not quite sure how to change it other than "He is a Christian, having been baptized Roman Catholic," which seems to come out of nowhere, as now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.134.121.3 (talk) 03:23, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Just say that he's Roman Catholic. That he's Christian naturally is understood by that statement. Banaticus (talk) 17:28, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Dead?

Someone keeps putting he's dead from artery blockage. He's not. He's alive and well. ~Crowstar~ 01:09, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Executive producer of The Godfather III?

I thought http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Gage was the executive producer of The Godfather III and not Nicolas Cage as mentioned in the Career section. 128.221.197.21 06:17, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Grindhouse critically acclaimed??

How does a 76% cream of the crop at rottentomatoes.com qualify as critical acclaimation?? Iforgetwhat8wasfor (talk) 15:01, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

'Kim'?

Silly question, but why is Nicholas Cage's real middle name 'Kim'? It sounds very unusual. What's the story behind the name? Is it like 'A Boy Named Sue'? Schuimend Mormel (talk) 18:34, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Nicolas Cage took his wifes name Alice Kim when they married, although this article states that he was born Nicolas Kim Coppola which is incorrect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.41.251.68 (talk) 19:34, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

"exemplar of method acting"

"an exemplar of method acting." sounds POV to me.

Fact?

"Cage has been married three times, Patricia Arquette (married on April 8, 1995 – divorce finalized May 18, 2001) Cage proposed to her on the day he met her in the early 80s. Arquette thought he was strange, but played along with his antics by creating a list of things Cage would have to do to "win her hand", including obtaining the autograph of reclusive author J.D. Salinger. However, when he seriously started working through the list of demands, Arquette became scared and avoided him. They met again many years later and went on to marry."

Is this fact? It sounds more like an amusing story Arquette might have told in an interview or something just for kicks. Plus, there's no citation. TripOnMyShip (talk) 08:39, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Brubaker cameo -- real?

Do we have any information from a supporting reputable source that he was actually in Brubaker? Banaticus (talk) 17:30, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Knowing - 2009

This article lists the movie Knowing under 2008 and yet the movie's Wikipedia entry at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowing_(film) says it's a 2009 movie

Thanks, but as I'm seeing this article, Knowing is correctly listed as a 2009 film both in the text and in the Filmography table. Perhaps the table is not appearing correctly in your internet browser? Adrian J. Hunter^{(talk•contribs)} 06:07, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Alternative introduction

How about this -

Nicolas Cage (born Nicolas Kim Coppola;[1] January 7, 1964) is an Academy Award-winning American actor. Some of his notable roles include Leaving Las Vegas(????), Face/Off (1997), Ghost Rider (2007), and National Treasure (2004).

Thanks Kvsh5 (talk) 21:02, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Actually, that isn't adequate for the lead. We don't inserted "Academy Award-winning" into lead sentences because the lead sentence should only cover what makes the person notable. Cage is a notable actor, the awards came later and did not serve to make him notable. The rest of the lead should provide at least a brief summary of the rest of the entire article and should have some minor details. Wildhartlivie (talk) 22:06, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Intro

The current intro starts with a sentence claiming that NC is known because of his collaborations with Jerry Bruckheimer, which is frankly bollocks. Any objection to removing it? RaseaC (talk) 21:01, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

No. The lead needs to be fleshed out more and I suspect that the Bruckheimer statment is all that remains of something that actually had some direction to it but has been lost in the shuffle. Wildhartlivie (talk) 01:06, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

I'll go ahead and remove it for now, hopefully someone can do the fleshing out sometime. RaseaC (talk) 10:20, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Birth name

The current reference doesn't say anything about NC's birth name being 'Capolla' it simply shows someone with that name was born on that date, we need a better reference ASAP or I'll go ahead and remove it again. RaseaC (talk) 09:52, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Do not remove the date or reference. It is common knowledge that Cage was born into the acting Coppola family and in fact, that is referenced twice in the Early life section. That reference is there for the birthdate, which is, in fact, a reference directly from the State of California Birth Index, for a person named Nicolas Coppola, born in Los Angeles on the same date as Nick Cage, who changed from his birthname (see citations) to Cage to avoid nepotism. There is no other "Nicolas Coppola" born in Los Angeles County on January 7, 1964. Perhaps it would help you to read the other cites in the article that actually cover that. Wildhartlivie (talk) 10:04, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Firstly it's not common knowledge, and even if it was it would require a citation. Secondly the point of a citation is to back-up a point made in the article, adding the citation halfway down the page is simply pointless. There are two facts that require citation in the opening sentence (1) his original name (2) his birthdate. You've provided (2), now all we need is (1) or I wil just have to go and add a fact tag after his 'name'. I have no interest in trolling through citations for other facts, I'm interested in the one in question being cited. RaseaC (talk) 10:08, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Have you read WP:POINT lately? It is cited. It is cited all over the place. It is not halfway down the page, it is cited in the opening sentence of the article. And for the record, it is common knowledge. There is no requirement that anything be cited in the infobox or in the lead, so long as a fact is cited. I suppose you would prefer that the same fact be tagged over and over and over? Wildhartlivie (talk) 10:15, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Asking for a cite is not disrupting WP, it's a fundamental part of it. The 'common knowledge' sign is a POV, I would argue that 'the sky is blue' is common knowledge, i.e. a cross section of society are aware of it, NC's birth name is not, that is only likely to be known by fans/film buffs. Therefore it is not common knowledge and either way it's irrelevant because common knowledge or not, it's a fact, and facts need to be cited. Furthermore it was not cited, if you're going to make things up don't say something that can easily be checked with two clicks of the mouse! When I made my first edit there was no cite for his age (just a random database portal) and no cite for his real name. I would prefer that the fact be tagged in it's first instance, but in this case (with regards to his middle name being 'Kim') I can see no citation anywhere in the for this, so it does need citing, please provide a source. Thanks RaseaC (talk) 14:29, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Please contain your comments, specifically, "if you're going to make things up don't say something that can easily be checked with two clicks of the mouse!" No one has made anything up. You expressed doubt about something when there were already two cites in the article - on the first sentence of the main body of the article, to support that he was even a Coppola. The entire early life section concerns his birth and family. The "See also" link actually goes to a family tree for the Coppola family. The California Birth Index is not a dubious source, and as I stated, there is no other Nicolas Coppola in the entire birth index that was born on January 7, 1964. I'd suggest a bit of obtuseness here. There is no requirement anywhere on Wikipedia that states the content in the lead must be cited, but here you are, insisting on it. Sorry, you're being pointy. Wildhartlivie (talk) 01:23, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

You said 'it is cited in the opening sentence of the article' which was not the case when I raised my concern, it's in the page history in black and white. I made no suggestion that the CBI was dubious, my point was that simply pointing to a search page is pointless, cites need to be search results, it's like pointing to the bbc.co.uk homepage as a cite for a specific news article. The point in a reference is to allow a reader to quickly and easily verify a fact, not send them on a fact-finding mission. THe obtuseness comment is not necessary. You keep going on about the 'requirement' to cite in the lead, please point to where I made such a claim. I've addressed the point issue, I don't repeat myself in the vain hope that people will take what I say on board the second time. RaseaC (talk) 10:38, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

[1] You removed the cite and fact tagged the name in the infobox, despite the fact that there was sufficient content and sourcing to cover most of everything you were claiming was unsupported, including questioning whether he was a member of the Coppola family. This despite the fact that in the first section of the article, all that was discussed was the Coppola family, including the sourced fact that his father is named Coppola, his uncle is named Coppola, his paternal grandfather was named Coppola, and his brothers are named Coppola. And to cap that, you insisted it be sourced "ASAP". Typing "Nicolas Coppola" and "1964" into the search box is not akin to linking to bbc.co.uk as a reference. Hyperbole and pointy as far as I'm concerned. The question is settled. If you feel the need to have the last word, have at it. Wildhartlivie (talk) 12:51, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

The opening also states that he was born Nicolas Kim Coppola, but as I understand it he took Kim when he married current wife Alice Kim. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.41.251.68 (talk) 19:37, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Then please provide a reliable source for that. We can't go on "your understanding". Wildhartlivie (talk) 01:21, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Death section

Resolved

I'm just a random dude - but I don't think Nicolas cage died yesterday. I removed the section, Because there is no news of that event anywhere else. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.194.72.10 (talk) 20:49, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for that. That was vandalism, and the person who added it has since been warned ([2]). Adrian J. Hunter^{(talk•contribs)} 01:29, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Award

A new editor posted this to my talkpage, as I was the admin who protected the article, if someone wants to take care of adding this to the article:

Nicolas Cage, the actor, has just won a United Nations Humanitarian Award. I was going to add this but found it semi-protected by yourself.

The United Kingdoms BBC published this article on 5th December 2009. None of the details appear on the wikipedia page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolas_Cage

The BBC article is at: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8396880.stm Smiler03 (talk) 19:19, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

(posted here by AlexiusHoratius 19:24, 8 December 2009 (UTC))

Weston Cage's band

Weston Cage's band is named Eyes of Noctum, and not Eyes of Nocturn, as this article says. I will probably be faced with skepticism at first, but it is true. A source just needs to be found for that. I might do that sometime. Backtable _{Speak to me}^{concerning my deeds.} 05:59, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Problem with cited refs

The first two refs currently in place have some problems.

• The first ref has a minor problem in that it is now a dead link and there is no online archive that I can find. Not sure how that works, I am guessing there is a record that can be accessed somewhere. Just FYI.

• The second ref however is very problematic because it is NOT what it is stated to be. The visible text says it is a State of California record that is being cited but the URL is just a specific search command on a website owned by publishers of a commercial geneaology software program. Here is the current ref wikicode:

<ref>According to the State of California. [http://www.familytreelegends.com/records/calbirths?c=search&first=Nicolas&last=Coppola&spelling=Exact&4_year=1964&4_month=1&4_day=7&5=Male&7=&SubmitSearch.x=49&SubmitSearch.y=20&SubmitSearch=Submit ''California Birth Index, 1905 -1995'']. Center for Health Statistics, California Department of Health Services, Sacramento, California.</ref>

This is an unacceptable citation, not even close to being reliable.

I started looking at these ref's because I thought it odd that a boy would be name "Kim" even for a middle name. So far I cannot find any WP:RS to support what his middle name is. 66.102.204.207 (talk) 06:33, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

OK, I did some more research. It seems this citation was initially created here where the editor incorrectly stated that the familytreelegends website was a searchable version of the official California Birth Index. Here is the ref wikicode that was later reformatted to its current state:

<ref>According to the State of California. ''California Birth Index, 1905-1995''. Center for Health Statistics, California Department of Health Services, Sacramento, California. Searchable at http://www.familytreelegends.com/records/39461</ref>

Note that the URL is not exactly the same. According to text on the URL in the original citation the search engine is described as follows:

Description:

Birth certificates represent one of the key primary sources for family information, typically being issued within days of a birth and containing the parents’ names at a minimum. Many times they contain additional parental details including places of birth, ages, and number of children. Prior to children being born in hospitals, home addresses were noted which is an important fact to understanding where they lived.

Availability of birth records in the United States varies, but most states began requiring them by the early 1900s. In many cases, such as New York, records are available as early as the 1840s. Accessing individual records can be difficult without knowing when a person was born; therefore indexes to birth records are essential in simplifying your search. Most indexes provide a year and certificate number, which allows you to easily access the source document.

Source:

California Births, 1905 - 1995. Family Tree Legends Records Collection (Online Database). Pearl Street Software, 2004-2005.

Note it says clearly that this is the "Family Tree Legends Records Collection (Online Database)" and not the "California Birth Index". I also tested this database by entering the names and birthdates of some family and friends who were born in California and many of those names had no data. No way this is an official government database or even a copy of one. 66.102.204.207 (talk) 07:37, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 66.102.204.207, 4 July 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} Not sure if this is a correct use of an edit request but here goes.

It may be necessary to remove (A) actor's official birthdate and (B) actor's original middle-name as uncited information.

I noticed problems with two of the citations for this article. I have commented on these on the talk page in some detail. Since BLP policies talk about removing uncited information agressively I felt I should have someone with edit access take a look at what I found. 66.102.204.207 (talk) 07:52, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

 Done This was perfectly good use of {{editsemiprotected}}. I remember a bunch of edits ages ago that removed and replaced Cage's middle name (see this and previous edits); in hindsight I probably should have removed his middle name at the time. I've tagged the USAtoday link as dead as it's not retrievable through the wayback machine. I've removed Cage's birthdate for now... There are many sites that give Jan 7, 1964, as his birthdate but I'll need to leave citing one of them to someone with more time and/or knowledge of which of those sites, if any, are reliable. 66.102.204.207, someone with your thoroughness and dilligence really needs to create an account. Adrian J. Hunter^{(talk•contribs)} 14:45, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Apologies

Apologies to Eversman and Planet-man828 – it looks like in my edit described above I must have edited from an old version of the article, inadvertantly losing a whole lot of cited information added in intervening edits. I re-did my edit from the last version by Hullaballoo Wolfowitz, except that I didn't remove Cage's birthdate this time as the Tiscali reference appeared reliable. Then I re-added the reference added by Eversman. I think the other intervening edits by Eversman and Planet-man828 were, in effect, re-doing edits I'd accidentally undone. So I think now everything is properly restored and nothing has been lost. Adrian J. Hunter^{(talk•contribs)} 04:25, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Psilocybin mushroom

On David Letterman, he admitted to taking schrooms when his cat, Lewis , opened the fridge and took some. He only took it because Lewis did, and they store at each other for hours. Cage admitted he does not use that stuff anymore.

This was interesting, but i didn't know where to put it.

Interesting, yes, but per the policy on living persons, something like that can't be added without a reliable source, which IMDb is not. I don't know whether the original WENN source would be considered reliable, but if you wanted you could ask at the reliable sources noticeboard. Adrian J. Hunter^{(talk•contribs)} 02:13, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

National Treasure 3

He is set to reprise his staring role in National Treasure 3. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.92.148.221 (talk) 23:09, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Missing movie

In 1992 Nicholas Cage was in Red Rock West. He played Michael Williams, the main character. The movie is on the co-star's (Dennis Hopper's) filmography, why isn't it on Cage's? 70.247.253.94 (talk) 02:18, 1 November 2010 (UTC)I_T 10/31/10

Season of the Witch

Season of the Witch Nicolas Cage is in is delayed and will be Release January 7, 2011. so people may whad changed the movie to 2011.

here are the link to prove it http://www.empiretheatres.com/movie/season-witch —Preceding unsigned comment added by Leer5454 (talk • contribs) 15:14, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Praise and criticism

This section should really be changed to just "Praise". There is scant reference to criticisms, only by virtue of citing praise contrary to apposite critiques of a movie.

Weston Coppola Cage

Can you attach this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weston_Coppola_Cage to Weston Coppola Cage's name. I created a little article on him. Much thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smdownes (talk • contribs) 18:50, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Drive Angry- Post-production?

Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't beleive Drive Angry is "post-production" any longer. Ahopp (talk) 01:40, 6 March 2011 (UTC)Ahopp

comment re. current article "Nicholas Cage" in its present form of 17.may.2011, A.D.

I sincereley think there is too much emphasis in this wikipedia page as I read it now, on Mr. Nicholas Cage's personal life to the detriment of his prefoessional one, also with too much OPINION from the writer re. description of the movies that Mr. Nicholas Cage ever played in (they, the authors of the current article, in its present form, keep talking about different types of personality traits of the various characters that Mr. Cage ever portaryed, and , yes, I agree that Mr. Nicholas Cage is an extraordinarily versatile chracter actor, in fact a true star, yet THIS is NOT all that he is FROM A PROFESSIONAL POINT OF VIWE, as he himself has ANNOUNCED that he may be interested in pursuing other things, plus what the authors wrote there is truly subjective and, for example, brings more detriment than good towards the way the movie "Mathstick Men" is described, which was in fact a true TEAM effort, and I am CERTAIN that Mr. Nicholage Cage himself would have been happier if the authors instead of focusing so much on the "character" piece would have focused more on the "TEAM" thema, since MOST certainly Mr. Cage is and has always been a very conscientius team player, but that is not all, it looks like, if his legal probation problems are successfully resolved, he may still have quite a bit of potential to actually become a team LEADER in any other professional projects he may chose to pursue in the near future. And "THE LORD OF WAR" was NOT about that Ukrainian Mechanic, however funny that character was, that was a true existentialist movie in the way that some Sartre or Kafka books are, and Mr. Nicholas Cage MASTERFULLY palyed that character, which just SHOWS the breadth and depth of not only his talent as a COMPLEX and COMPLETE dramatic actor, but it also shows how WELL READ he is, how actually EDUCATED and CULTURED he is, and, MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL, how CAPABLE is he, when PROPERLY DIRECTED and within the RIGHT TEAM, to be able to ETHICALLY and MASTERFULLY USE HIS RICH GENERAL CULTURE KNOWLEDGE IN ORDER TO TRAMSMIT TO US all FEELINGS of LONELINESS, yet also OF MORAL RESPONSIBILITY AS WELL that we all carry as human beings who wish to be ETHICAL first of all towards OURSELVES and TOWARDS SOVIETY at large, which also thus informs me, via the types of ROLES that Mr. Nicholas Cage chose to PLAY, PLUS the WAY HE PLAYED THEM, how HIGH of a CALIBER HIS OWN MORAL CHARACTER IS as a PERSON, and if it was I who would have the miraculous chance to be subpoenad as a WITNESS OF CHARACTER on that upcoming May 31st 2011, Court Hearing that Mr. Cage has to go through (yet another stress for him...and I truly hope HE KNOWS who and how to ask for HELP if he needs it...never forgetting that ther is always 911, as a last resort for everything while on continental North-America, and 112, while in Europe, up to the borders of the former USSR), so if it was I testifying on behalf of Mr. Nicholas Cage, I would literally by both WORDS and GESTURE, even body language SICERELY and AUTHENTICALLY PLEAD towards the Honorable Court in front of which that hearing is to take place in order to have them BETTER understand THE GOOD MORAL CHARACTER of Mr. Nicholas Cage, actually rated the HIGHEST GRADE 6 (SIX) on the Scientific Valid Kohlberg Scale (Kohlberg being a psychologist who described the development of moral charcter in human beings, and I agree with that scale and with Mr. Kohlberg's baselike concept while he devised that scale, since I have seen it EMPIRICALLY validated in PRACTICE, both professional and personal, in front of my own eyes OVER and OVER again, with NO FAIL, with NO EXCEPTION, in that SENSE IT IS EMPIRICALLY VALIDATED and VALIDATE-able SCALE).

I plead of YOU, all current contributors of wikipedia, who may be acqainted better than I with the court system of the California county where that hearing is to be held, to actually PRINT OUT and TAKE in person or MAIL either to the assigned Justice presiding over that hearing a copy of my commentary which conatin some parts which may be helpful for Mr. Nicholas Cage in taht specific hearing, or to the current ATTORNEY, even to the Public Prosecutor (District Attorney ?) of Mr. Nicholas Cage's current pending case, or to all of these actually, depending on whom anyone may know, even to Mr. Cage HIMSELF if anybody knows of someone who knows him personally, a copy of this commentary. PLEASE do it for me, because I spent most valuable time of my life to write it, while I have OTHER things on my mind, plsu it is just past midnight and I have a wirk day tomorrow so I must go to bed, so PLEASE JUST SEND IT TO WHOM it should be sent: Mr. Nicholas Cage, Mr. Cage's attorney, the Hon/ District Court of California Justice, and the Distric Attorney for that case. THANK YOU and literally G-d bless the person who may actually be doing thiss for both my sake and the sake of actor Nicholas Cage, MOST VALUABLE MORAL CHARCTER GUIDE-like LEADER for humans from the Realist Modernist latter part of the XX-th century to the JUST AS REALIST post- TRAUMATIC beginning of our XXI-th century, with the MAJOR trauma for most humankind being OF COURSE the Sept. 11, 2001 VILE ATACK ON the UNITED STATES of AMERICA. I sign, Eugen Craciun, M.D. European General Practitioner and specialist in General Psychiatry (pen name: Rudolph Aspirant) 18.may.2011, A.D., 0:12, Copenhagen time zone 84.210.21.34 (talk) 22:19, 17 May 2011 (UTC) P.S. sorry for any spelling mistakes, but it is really late and I am tired, plsu today was the National Holiday of the Kingdom of Norway, so I was there to admire the popular costumes and flags, which are TRULY something special, if Mr. Cage would ever wish to visit Norway, i sincerely would recommend it to him as MUCH more therapeutic actually than any other place in France or the Swiss Alps, I even have a recommended villa he could lease, plsu I also wish to thank him personally for the charitabloe participation he had in some charity event in my country of origin Romania, yet that participation DID IN NO WAY INFLUENCE MY SCIENTIFIC EXPERT OPINION OF MR NICHOLAS CAGE's character. E.C. aka R.A. 84.210.21.34 (talk) 22:19, 17 May 2011 (UTC)