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Whitman talk page and reversion issues

Hello Crohnie, after your reversion in the Charles Whitman article, I was trying to take your advise and move into the discussion area. However, I found that IP adresses are not allowed, so I am in a catch 22 here. One of the many things I dislike about the WP format is the Moniker system. I choose to be an IP moniker instead. I would prefer real names, as they position parties to be all of the courtesies that WP requires, instead, Monikers allow a veil for anyone with suspicious motives and can always return if banned under a different Moniker. So what is the point really?

To the reversion issues going on with the news of McCoy being terminally ill, there was one objection to relevancy that I modified to be respectful and saw the issue. Then the next reverter, stepped in without a good reason, so I again modified the contribution, hoping that would help. It didn't and the same party used another tactic. Then I tried to communicate with the party about the reversion, and the fact that they appear to edit McCoy's paragraph exclusively [[1]]. I did not bring up the issue of WP:OWN, as I did not want to be confrontational, except to mention that the party appeared to have a bone to pick. The party did not respond to my message directly, but did so in a summary review, during another reversion. What I decided to do ultimately was to Source the material with a quote from the source. There were no complaints after that. As to why you have reverted the contribution and earmarked it to the talk page, is out of my scope of understanding. Can you fill me in? Thanks!71.85.120.252 (talk) 22:07, 18 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I'm sorry I didn't realize the talk page was semi protected. It's unusual for talk pages to be semi protected. I'll get one of the administrators to remove it so that you can take this to the talk page. You need to be able to discuss this with the editors that are reverting you. Revert wars are not the way to go about getting changes to articles which is why I reverted you and asked you to follow WP:BRD. You have a point in a way but also remember the article is about Whitman so a lot of details about McCoy is not really necessary. If you look at the two officers involved in this you will see that too much weight is being given to McCoy in the article. An article might be able to be made about McCoy like there is for Ramiro Martinez. I haven't checked to see if there is enough verifiable information to prove his notability which is what is needed for him to have an article. But first we need to get the talk page opened up so that you can bring your concerns to it. So please be patient and watch the talk page to see when the protection is removed. I'll do the request for you now. Happy editing, --CrohnieGalTalk 10:13, 19 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I put in a request here if you want to add something please feel free to do so. You don't have to since hopefully an administrator will see my request and take the protection off. I'm not sure if I put my request in the right place but I know it will be seen there. --CrohnieGalTalk 10:32, 19 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for all your efforts Crohniegal. Whether or not the edit war was perceived as such, I don't think that was as much the issue as a particular editor that I mentioned and linked in my original response above. If you open the link above, you will find my attempt to compromise, if you open this link [[2]], you will find what was removed, and that the editor never responded to me (not a good sign for using the talk page). Also, if you look at the contrib history of the editor, it is almost exclusive to the Charles Whitman article, especially McCoy. I have already addressed the corrections of previous reverts and feel a discussion is unwarranted at this time on the talk page; contingent to one last, brief referece that was there before you reverted.
You have raised a few points worth addressing and I will try to modify my response to a brief response. You are correct about undue weight in one regard, however, McCoy, in my searching the history, had an article previously devoted to him that was removed, Martinez' was not, so...??? If you open Martinez' article and combine it with the Whitman article, the weight shifts to Martinez. I think you see where I am going...I am not inclined to start a McCoy page, where a potential problem may re-surface. As to the PTSD not needing caps, when I studied Abnormal Psychology, that issue was raised in class. The answer by the professor was that post traumatic stress is generic in it's form and does not need capitalization; when it becomes a disorder, it is a "thing", and takes the form of a noun, therefore, it should be capitalized once it is a disorder. I do not wish to be pedantic, but those were the rules I was taught. Also, I note that glioblastoma is used in Whitman's article uncapitalized. Glioblastoma Multiforme is a specific form of cancer, cancer is generic and does not need capitalization, once cancer takes the form of a specific noun, it should be capitalized.
With all of the above considered, let me be bold one last time before a trip to planet discussion, where the fog of discussion and parallax interpretations take over. I will merely input the Austin American reference to McCoy's illness, which I feel is not a weight issue, it is a historical fact, and if objections arise, we can go to the discussion page. Thanks again for your guidance. 71.85.120.252 (talk) 16:14, 19 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
There is one thing you need to take into consideration, the article is about Charles Whitman not about the police officers who ended his life. This is where, IMHO, undo weight comes in. Mentioning briefly the officers is fine, but I think you are taking it too far, sorry. If you want to start a page about McCoy, go ahead, I will look forward to it and even help you if I can. The last one got deleted by a consensus of editors that, if I remember correctly, he didn't meet notability guidelines. It was a one event for him type of thing. I'm not trying to discourage you from trying but do look up why the article was deleted so you don't fail the same way with an article and/or waste your time. This of course is just a suggestions. I will check what you added to the article at Whitman's and if I disagree I will comment on that talk page. Thank you for your clear explanation. Be well, --CrohnieGalTalk 16:28, 19 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
You are correct that the article is about Charles Whitman. Charles Whitman's actions are what put McCoy into the position of killing Whitman, and Whitman's actions, caused McCoy's PTSD - they can not be separated. You be well also. 71.85.120.252 (talk) 16:36, 19 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
You're correct that this one event connects them forever but it's still WP:One event which is where undue weight comes in. Undue weight can sometime be hard to understand for newbies and old editors alike. I too have troubles with when it applies or not. But this has been discussed before, so maybe you should check out the archives about it. Maybe that will help, I'm not sure to be honest. I guess it can't hurt. :) --CrohnieGalTalk 16:43, 19 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I know why WHL left and that you were friends. We have all had civil discussions in the archives. In fact, I am the archives! lol! No, I was not suggesting that you had any cause in WHL leaving. I hope her eyesight has been worked on and other health issues as well. I left the "Lady Gaga" reference in hopes you would pick up on it. No matter, I didn't really leave in a "huff" as Berean Hunter said, he and I have had good times working together before as well. Allow me this, per your words, "Mentioning a little bit about McCoy is alright but it should be short and about what he did in regards to Whitman."; that is not what the Houston McCoy and Ramiro section does, for either of them. In fact, it reads as a mini autobiography of both of them, in a small section. Since McCoy had his article removed by Wales, and Martinez' has his own article, I am going to put the information into the article in the appropriate places, eliminating the simi-mini auto biographies of both. If you don't agree after careful consideration, and with Berean Hunter, who is a good ol' North Carolina boy as well (referring to me), then revert it, and I will leave it alone. The McCoy - Martinez section has always looked autobiograhical to me, and does not deal with Whitman, which I will change. Just a note to let you and B Hunter know. BTW, you should visit Asheville and the Riverside graveyard where Thomas Wolfe and his family plot is. It is, IMO, second only to the Sleepy Hollow Cemetary in Westchester County, NY, for diversity and beauty. They even have a Civil War section where the graves are marked with "Rebel" Confederate flags, and the graveyard is Segratated, the Jews have their own section, lol! 71.85.120.252 (talk) 05:26, 21 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Vic, I thought that was you. I have visited Thomas Wolfe's homesite as well as Zebulon Vance's. Asheville is beautiful. I love Biltmore Estate...We are both up late though ;)
Why is it so important to get the McCoy mentions in? That has flown over my head a bit. It seems like such a minor thing. Objectively, convince us that it is necessary.
Are you still working on the documentary? I've still never seen a very good one...and I try to keep up with the Jones's.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 05:39, 21 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, the documentary costs money for equipment, which I now have most of it in cameras and gear. All the documents are ready and shooting has already begun on preleminary issues, like Camp Lejuene, Jacksonville, Savannah, etc. I visited East Carolina where Whitman took a class, they could find no records without going through their archives; too much time and cost for a potentially uninteresting period. I have rearranged the the information andremoved the McCoy and Martinez section as being too autobiograhical within Whitman's article. I put Martinez' sentence in his article. Whatta ya' think?!? If your still up? lol!71.85.120.252 (talk) 05:56, 21 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm running on low fuel...Jim Beam is running out...kitchen is next then bed for me. I'll review when my head is clearer. When I visited East Carolina, we were playing out of a bar called "the Attic" which I believe has burned down now. Do you still have my email?
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 06:11, 21 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Convience break

First, I apologize for talking down to you Victor. I didn't make a connection until real late yesterday, and with some help. ;) I'll take a look at what you've done. What documentary are you both talking about, Whitman? He started down here where I live. He went to the same high school as I did though he was a couple years older than I was so I didn't know him personally, just knew the name. So fill me in as I'd be interested in knowing about it. --CrohnieGalTalk 09:25, 21 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Apologize?!? For what? Personally, when I do get treated with respect - I know I've done something wrong! lol! Yeah, I'm doing a documentary on Whitman, actually, I like to refer to it as a Bi-Op, it will be the records come to life and obviously, there will have to be some carefully considered licensing to fill the loss of actual conversation. I got a lot of insight from interviews I have with friends, victims and professors of Whitman. I was in Lake Worth last year and filmed his grave where he, his mother and brother John are buried. I believe Patrick (another brother) was cremated due to his struggle with AIDS.
So you went to St. Ann's, was Sister Estelle there when you went? I know you are in West Palm Beach, but what city? I found Lake Worth to be very interesting, but I don't believe it reflects with Whitman's formative years. There are a few early town structures and obviously the Church and School are still there, but few people even knew of Whitman whenI tried to find interviewee's in the the neighborhood. All I saw going on in the Palm Beach Area was new skyscrapers that were vacant for the most part. All of that, plus the expansion of I-95 must have changed the business district, from what it was. 71.85.120.252 (talk) 03:47, 22 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
No, when the tragedy happened with him the rumor was that he was a student of Lake Worth High School but transfered to another school. So that is why I said I went to school with him because I thought/think he was a student. Maybe this is wrong, you know how rumors can be twisted, but you might want to check into whether this was correct or not. When the rumors started there was of course the normal feelings and comments of relief. Lake Worth was a nice place (back then, now not so great). We used to live there a long time ago. Hubby and I, and friends, used to call it the place where the newly weds or nearly dead lived. There were young people like what we were back then and older folks but nothing in between. I haven't been there in 30 years at least even though I now live I guess an hour away give or take. We live out west in Palm Beach County, like in the Everglades. Well it used to be the Everglades but they filled it in so it was livable, it pisses me off that they did this. When I was down here prior to moving to the north, there was basically nothing past I-95 and esp. the turnpike. Usually what was found was farms, but now most of them are gone which is really sad. Another one closed down in this past year. When I was young we used to go to some farms to pick strawberries and one time to pick corn. Picking corn is hard and heavy (plus you can't eat it while picking like you could picking strawberries.) Well I've gotten off track here but at least they were good memories. As for Whitman, like I said, what I heard was rumors which I believed. To this day I do not know if he really went to my high school or not but until I'm told other wise, I am going to believe what they said at the school. There was no reason for them to lie about it but who knows? When do you figure your film will be completed? Do you have someone to air it? I bet it's hard to find people from back then. I've tried to find friend I had in high school and it's been hard. The area down here has changed dramatically. I grew up in Lantana. Back then no one knew Lantana, it wasn't on any maps and it was 2 miles x 2 miles in size. It's much bigger now. Lake Worth, PB county and the rest of the counties went through the same kind of changes. They got bigger, got more people and to be honest, the changes haven't been for the best. I find it horrible down here compared to when I was young. I wish I could tell you an easy way to find friends of his but there isn't any. We (my brother and I) found some of our childhood and school friends through Facebook. If you haven't tried that maybe it would help. Just a thought, --CrohnieGalTalk 10:23, 22 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"Sister Estelle stated that her records reveal that Charles Joseph Whitman attended primary parochial grades at the Church of the Sacred Heart, Lake Worth, Florida. He entered St. Ann's High School, West Palm Beach, on September 1, 1955, and was graduated on May 31, 1959. She added that his birth is reflected as June 24, 1941, at Lake Worth, Florida, and his address during the time he attended St. Ann's High School is reflected as 820 S. It Lit Street, Lake Worth, Florida."
I copied the above from the FBI files interview with Sister Estelle, a short while after the tragedy. There are no records (that I have) of Whitman attending LWHS. Hope this helps. I agree with your assessment of growing up in one climate, to have it radically change over time into something unknown - I was born in the South - raised in Detroit. After the '67 riots, Detroit became slowly unknowable. Now, except for a few isolated areas, it is not the Detroit I knew. 71.85.120.252 (talk) 17:52, 22 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
My deep condolences on your recent loss Chroniegal! 71.85.120.252 (talk) 16:13, 28 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Cate Blanchett article

Hi remember me? I'm still waiting for your reply. Not to be rude but you did accuse me of editing while blocked several weeks ago (which you were mistaken) and you never acknowledged that, which is fine that's not the issue at hand. But I do feel you should back up what you say and actually contribute and collaborate with me on this article. You were the one that made the rewrite an issue and put it into the discussion page. After 1 month+ of me waiting for your reply and not touching the article AT ALL, I'd expect some type of answer. Before you answer me with "well I forgot" I would just like to remind one of the many reasons why I was blocked was because of several comments you made towards other admins and whatnot. While that is in the past and I accept all the consequences, I'm actually doing what was told. You should too, or at least follow through with what you told me. I'm glad you are out of the hospital and feeling better, but seeing you collaborating with other people and not me after what you put me through and accused me is just a slap in the face. Honestly, I wouldn't be suprised if you forgot who I was, but I never forget. Especially if I was blocked temporarily for no reason, ESPECIALLY when now I'm following the rules and have not contributed much the past few weeks in hopes that SOMEONE will collaborate with me.

You what upsets me the most. If I were to revert those edits to how they were previously, I can bet within 1 day they will be reverted because they were done by ME. Hope to actually hear from you, it's kind of sad that I had to wait this long for a response don't you think? DeadSend4 (talk) 00:43, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry you are upset, to be honest, you are right, I don't remember the details to what you are talking about. I do remember some of it but please see my post below. I will try to check out what you are talking about hopefully in the next week but I can't make any promises since my health comes first and I won't be online that often for awhile. Sorry, --CrohnieGalTalk 10:36, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Trying to briefly refresh my memory slowly I go and read this. I demand this be refactored immediately. I have not been well like you said and I have almost died now three times including this past Sunday morning. Who do you think you are to judge people like you do? Refactor, than maybe we can talk. There are no deadlines and my health comes way before any of your demands. If I sound angry now, you bet I am. --CrohnieGalTalk 22:40, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
@DeadSend4 - You haven't made any edits to any article since May 5th (at least from this account): and it wasn't because you were blocked for that time. If you are interested in haranguing this user for some imagined "non-collaboration" issue, I would find a new interest. You have now been warned by me not to make this user's time here unpleasant, because she doesn't deserve it. I suggest that you move along and find something else to do around here. And don't wait another month to do it. Doc talk 23:48, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Excuse me Doc but please don't chime in here if you do not know the issue at hand. This is just between me and her and I am in no way making her time here miserable or difficult. I sent her many regards towards her health and have mentioned that I hope she get better, so please, do not tell me why I was blocked and so on. Everything you are telling me I know, so this isn't new information. Just going in circles, I'm focused on working on the present no dwelling in the past. So thanks.
But back to the issue at hand Chronie girl thanks for the response. If you nearly died three times then I suggest editing here isn't the best for you do to. Your stress and being upset over this is not helping. I never once said you should meet any deadlines, I never once said you should answer me immeditately, if I did I wouldn't have waited over one month. I saw you making contributions with other people not ONCE did I know you nearly died three times. I'm just pointing out a few facts, you wrongly accused me of something (never got an apology), you told me you would collaborate with me and to put my suggestions in the discussion (which I did and you never backed up what you said). With all that said, considering you nearly perished three times this month, I don't think I should have any further communcation with you. Only because I fear your health might deteriorate. Why are you on here in the first place? You should focus on your health, coming back onto this site after nearly dying this past week doesn't seem like a good idea. Just an observation from someone who is majoring in health. That isn't healthy. With that said, I'll just work on my own and forget about whatever written agreement we had. DeadSend4 (talk) 20:18, 9 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Ok enough is definitely enough with you. I originally asked you to use the talk page at the Cate Blanchett article so that editors there could comment on your major rewrite you wanted to do. As for you trying to make things difficult for me, well maybe you should reread what you posted on the talk page of this article that is now hatted. You saying, and I quote,
"So in case no one knows about the issues with this article and Nicole Kidman's regarding me wanting to contribute and whatnot. But in a nutshell I was pretty much blocked, fasley accused, badgered, blocked again all because people disagreed with my edits. Now that I'm doing the right thing and going into the discussion page in collaborating with others, what happens? I'm ignored. So now that I'm doing what was asked of me there is not one person who has even bothered (except one) which I appreciate. It makes me feel like me being blocked was for a completely different reason. I mean, I waited what over a month not ONCE touching this page and seeing if anyone had feedback. I was told to not make any edits and contribute with other people and ask for their suggestions. So it's not ok for me to touch an article but I can be ignored in the discussion? I understand --Crohnie has been in the hospital. But now that she's good now (thankfully) she's collaborating with OTHERS but not me. Isn't this kind of a slap in the face?
You what upsets me the most. If I were to revert those edits to how they were previously, I can bet within 1 day they will be reverted because they were done by ME. I have never seen someone treated with such disrespect on here. Lastly, I don't want to hear the excuse "well I barely saw this" or "I forgot about this article" because it's been over a month and I have not ONCE touched this article because I wanted to RESPECT this article. Now do me a favor and try to show me some respect. DeadSend4 (talk) 00:42, 5 June 2011 (UTC)"
Now if you can't see a problem with your tone and behavior here than I don't know what to say. All I see is you screaming victim and blaming everyone else for your problems when it was you doing the socking.
As for me editing here, well that's my business isn't it?! It's not up to you to tell me whether I can or cannot or should or should not come to this project because of my health issues. As you so much like to say to others about not knowing what they are talking about well I say the same to you. You do not know why my health is in trouble nor do you know why I come to this project to volunteer my time. If you want to set the record straight then let's do it. I didn't tell you not to edit the article. I asked you to use the talk page because you were making large edits without using any edit summaries for editors to see what you were doing. You got a response from Rossrs when you posted your ideas for a change and also another editor chimed in. You didn't need to tell everyone to wait for me to return, now did you? You had people ready and able to discuss the article with you and you cut them off or ignored them focusing on me for some reason. I came back briefly and posted a few times but I didn't go back to the article or to you when I saw that you were at SPI with two other accounts being socks of yours. I don't deal with socks and at that point I lost interest in you. When you came this last time demanding that I don't reply that I don't remember the situation was total BS because at the time I didn't remember the situation or the socks. I do remember Jane his wife account that you used prior to it being blocked indefinitely. So in a nutshell, you are not an innocent here. You are agressive and demanding when you have no right to be either to others. I will edit here when I want to and where I want to. Looking at things you have gone to everyone who has commented here to tell them off and tell them they don't know what they are talking about as can be seen here, here, and here. Now that was real polite of you wasn't it, I think not. The editors who responded here are editors who lurk on my talk page just so you understand why they came here and said something. Now I think the best that can happen is for you to stop talking about editors and do more talking about the edits done. Though the section is hatted, I would have preferred it be refactored and you apologize. But since that didn't happen doing that now would be useless. Demanding an apology never works and if it does work it doesn't mean anything. So do me a favor and go away now, thanks, --CrohnieGalTalk 12:24, 10 June 2011 (UTC) PS: Please take note of how to spell my user name since everywhere you have gone you have mispelt it. It's Crohnie, like in Crohn's disease, thanks again, --CrohnieGalTalk 12:24, 10 June 2011 (UTC) [reply]
Sweetie step away from the computer before you die a fourth time. I'm done with you and you need to move on, I have. DeadSend4 (talk) 18:50, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Sorry if I have not responded to you somewhere...

Hi, I have again just gotten out of the hospital. I have some major health issues that have been uncontrollable for me lately that has been sending me to the hospital a lot. I hope to get this settled down with some better preparations for things here in my home. If I haven't gotten back to you well this is the reason. I will be popping in but I won't be online long since I have to get my strength back and have a lot of things to do in RL. Again, I'm sorry if I have not gotten back to you. Thank you in advance for understanding, --CrohnieGalTalk 10:31, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry to stalk, but I happened to be on DeadSend's page as well and found this message. She referred to you, I think, on my talk page as the hospital victim (if I may use that word). I'm quite sorry to hear about all you're going through and I will be first to say take all the time you need. Your health is more important than an online encyclopedia any day. CycloneGU (talk) 13:41, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Please see my response here. As for you saying "hospital victim", I take offense to this too for the same reasons I state above. What is wrong here? Why so damn rude? If this is a baiting contest or something similar please find somewhere else to do it. --CrohnieGalTalk 22:44, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'll be glad to weigh on and I'm sorry this is happening to you, too, espcially after you tried so hard to help. It may take me a little while since I'm at a family thing, but I promise, --Tenebrae (talk) 23:24, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
No problem, enjoy the family. No need to comment now, I think the points have been made now. Thanks, --CrohnieGalTalk 12:40, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yikes, clearly in my offering sympathy I've used the wrong word - I don't get why I do that, I couldn't think of the right word as I was typing that (I've been somewhat sick myself the last few days, it impaired my thinking). I suppose I should have just said "in the hospital". Rudeness was not intended, I apologize for clearly offending you. One thing I did say still stands, however, that your health is more important than anything that happens here. CycloneGU (talk) 01:17, 9 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Apology accepted. I'm sorry but not feeling well I can understand. Thank you for your apology, it really means a lot to me. --CrohnieGalTalk 17:45, 9 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure where people got the assumption that I was "rushing" you to respond to me or that I seemed like I was being selfish because I didn't care about your health and preffered you worked with me. Because that is NOT the issue, not even close to it. I honestly feel like people do not read what I write. Did anyone not see me wish her the best? To "by all means take your time and get well"? The fact that I waited an entire month without editing? Now when I post on her discussion page to remind her I'm suddenly a jerk? This is another example of me being targeted unfairly. I'm referring specifically to 'Doc' who I believe is an admin, I don't think people should chime in unless they know what the situation is. With that said, Chronie girl, I never once was trying to rush you or telling you that your health should take a backseat. If that's what you or anyone else thinks I'd like for you to point out where that insensitive text came from. Because I am in no way making you sacrifice your health over something like this, that would be incredibly ridiculous. I hope you do feel better, and like I mentioned, I think it'd be best for me to not respond to you anymore, I would not want your health to get worse. In fact, I personally don't see why you're on here if you nearly died three times, but again I'm not in your situation.
  • See response above. Oh and if you ever get into a situation where you breathe and no oxygen gets into your system then you can talk to me about what is best for me, but not until then. --CrohnieGalTalk 12:40, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Lastly, I'm a him. ;) Not a girl. I also don't think CycloneGU meant any harm with the comment. He has been helping me and I only messaged him a few days ago because I had not gotten a response in weeks. DeadSend4 (talk) 20:30, 9 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'd also like to suggest, that bringing Tenebrae into this is NOT a good idea. Maybe this is someone you call on constantly for help or advice, but in my case, we do not get along nor do I want to hear or read what he has to say. ANYONE but him please. That may sound rude but it's really going to save us a lot of time, he's just going to go around and circles around me and point out things about me that bothers him. So please, not him, not ever. Again Crohnie girl, sorry you are upset and I'm sorry if I came off an insensitive, but you gave me a suggestion and followed through with it. I was expecting the same from you, you forgot who I was, and that's ok. But I'm just pointing out facts, that's all. DeadSend4 (talk) 20:41, 9 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • The only one I know real well here is Doc9871. Him and I talk about all kinds of things, mostly not about this project. And for the record, Doc is not an administrator. As for the others, I have had contact with them and they all know that I try real hard to be polite and respond when needed. --CrohnieGalTalk 12:40, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, CrohnieGal. So sorry to hear you have been ultra-sick. While I don't personally agree with removing the discussion from the Talk:Cate Blanchett page, I am gonna put a collapse box around it for the time being. Regards, --Diannaa (Talk) 23:57, 9 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • Well if that is the case, why did you copy DeadSend4's remarks over here to your Talk page? The main reason I hatted it up was so that you wouldn't have to look at it any more. Now I am confused. --Diannaa (Talk) 15:40, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • The reason I did that is because he was denying everything and acting the victim so I wanted my records here to show what he said that started this. I plan on archiving these sections soon to get them out of the way which is something I won't do, not yet anyways, at the article talk page that is supposed to be about the article and not about editors. I am called out in that speech of his and I don't care for it. I would appreciate it if someone else archived it or removed it but I will do it myself if that is preferred. These sections will be up for about 24 hrs. so that everyone can say what's on their mind but it then will be archived. I am hoping that everyone will get whatever off their chest so that there is no hard feelings about this later. I really don't want to have bad feeling towards anyone else or them about me. I hope this clarifies my thinking, if not please ask. I am strong enough to be here or I wouldn't be here. I just woke up again and I will be leaving the computer again. If you are more comfortable, any of you, please feel free to email me. All of you, all I wish for is happy editing, --CrohnieGalTalk 16:26, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • DeadSend4 already apologised on June 9 at 20:42. Every post he has made since has been an attempt to disengage. Continuing to drag this matter out after the user has already apologised is not a productive response. In my opinion you should hat up or archive this talk page discussion right away, and move on. It's up to you, obviously, but that's my opinion. Sincerely, --Diannaa (Talk) 18:25, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Diannaa! I wanted the focus to be on the article, so collapsing that section is very much needed. DeadSend4 (talk) 03:27, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Point taken on the gender - I usually assume male unless otherwise indicated female (i.e. a nickname like GirlieGirl), but for some reason DeadSend came across to me as female at one point. I did see references to "him", "he" elsewhere and now know better. =)
I also noted Tenebrae's comments not here specifically, but at the article's talk page (now collapsed by Diannaa). Please let's not start arguments in public spaces again. I witnessed their confrontation after DeadSend's block expired where I courtesy blanked his talk page because I figured he would want a fresh start (I offered it on an earlier revision - there were lots of confrontations earlier, too, and one even erupted on MY talk page), and I also think those two would be best not to be near each other on the Wiki. There is clearly some bad blood there. For clarity purposes, I have no problem with either editor, personally; I've just been witness to this fight. CycloneGU (talk) 05:10, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Also for this record, Tenebrae was not the one who started that argument. Again though, thank you for trying to help and for also apologizing. I really appreciate that. --CrohnieGalTalk 12:40, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

So let's move on shall we? Not sure why I was asked about breathing control since this has nothing to do with the issue. I already suggested that Chronie take a break, clearly stress and anger does not hinder someone's health. I'm moving on, collaborating with others. DeadSend4 (talk) 17:46, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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This seems to be be going nowhere unfortunately. --CrohnieGalTalk 14:03, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Do I have an administrator watching my page?

Hi, if I do have an administrator watching my page I sure could use some help here. I am beside myself with what is going on and being allowed to continue. Something is seriously wrong and I would like some help getting it resolved without having to use the AN/i board. Other than the two above discussions you can also find more at [[3]], [[4]]. There are more but these are the main locations. Thanks in advance, --CrohnieGalTalk 14:09, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think there is a {{helpme}} template. Also, replied on my talk page. CycloneGU (talk) 14:24, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
All right, I found {{admin help}}. Plop that at the top of the page and someone should be along. =) CycloneGU (talk) 14:26, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks but I have a lot of administrators who watchlist my page. I saw your response, thank you for responding. I just want this all to come to an end which isn't happening. I do not want this to continue and I really don't want to go to AN/i to have it stopped but I will if it becomes necessary. For now, I'm taking a break to lie down. Have a good day, --CrohnieGalTalk 14:30, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure immediate action is required here. The situation up to now has not been good, for sure. I'd recommend deep breaths all around and lets see how it goes from now on. I'll keep an eye on the situation. You can, of course, go to ANI if you feel the need. Franamax (talk) 14:35, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Doc said to let moar of teh WP:TAGTEAM know ;)

114.79.63.198 (talk) 06:56, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"Wikipedia encourages and depends on cooperative editing to improve articles, and most editors who work together are not a tag team. Assume good faith, and keep in mind that in almost all cases it is better to address other editors' reasoning than it is to accuse them of being on a team." How about letting the AC know as well? There's room on that page I'm sure. Doc talk 07:11, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Almost forgot: sucking up to Casliber on bird and plant articles is so transparent.[5] Is it because he's an administrator and an arb, I wonder? If he was a "littlun" those articles wouldn't be touched by you. Jus' sayin'... Doc talk 07:24, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
You're clueless; Cas has never been supportive of me, and never will be. 222.124.91.51 (talk) 07:30, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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