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Your RFD nomination for Taiwanese nationalism

Just dropping you a note to inform you that I will not be deleting the Taiwanese nationalism → Taiwanese independence redirect, and have instead redirected Taiwanese nationalism to Taiwan independence to remove the double redirect.

While your points regarding the difference between "nationalism" and "independence" are valid, terms do not need to be exactly synonymous for a redirect to be useful. The terms simply have to be similar enough that one could reasonably expect someone looking for one article to possibly type in the title of the redirect. I believe that's the case here, so I didn't delete the redirect.

However, please note that you may still (if you wish) turn the Taiwanese nationalism redirect into a full article about Taiwanese nationalism, in a way that distinguishes it from Taiwanese independence. By all means, feel free to do so. → Ξxtreme Unction {^yakł_blah} 11:54, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Nanking Massacre

Thanks for pointing that out, I was just about to go check and make sure he hadn't continued reverting (we all have to sleep ;) ). Commonsenses has been blocked for 24 hours. .:.Jareth.:. ^babelfish 15:32, 20 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

"ROC" vs. "Taiwan", transportation related articles

Hi Jiang, I'm a bit short on time and was wondering if you could help explain some issues to 163.28.64.50 regarding the use of "ROC" vs. "Taiwan". It's the same old problem that many new users encounter. Perhaps we should make a template that would point people to the naming conventions, explain that disambiguation pages are navigational tools, etc. Thanks for your help, if you don't mind. Cheers, --MarkSweep (call me collect) 01:49, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Zangjiesi-declare.jpg

Re. the photo of Chiang on the balcony in Second Sino-Japanese War

Usually when I see that photo, it's in reference to the Lushan declaration, Chiang's de facto domestic declaration of KMT resistance against Japan. I actually don't know if that's correct or not, but I imagine that Chiang would find more motivation to give a major speech to his own people after Lugou Bridge. Your expertise in this matter would be most enlightening. ;)

Kelvinc

I changed the caption as per the discussion Kelvinc 15:59, 23 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Happy Happy Happy

Where did you snap a whoto of that guy? He's like a Bay Area fixture. Dspserpico 08:31, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Taiwan freeway

If you do have some time, could you help edit the Taiwan freeway pages so that it has the same amount of standard as [1] ? I wish I had time, but I've encountered more than 12 hour workdays at TSMC . . . . Allentchang 15:46, 25 December 2005 (UTC) Allentchang 15:46, 25 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

COTW Project

You voted for [[Template:Cotw1]], this week's Collaboration of the week. Please come and help it become a featured-standard article.

taiwanese.wikicities.com

I am looking for help in extending the info on taiwanese.wikicities.com, as you have a lot experience with wikipedia entries in this category, perhaps you can help.

Newspapers of the ROC

Hello Jiang. You may be interested to take a look at the CfD nomination of category:newspapers of the Republic of China. — Insta ntnood 18:30, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Politics of ROC/Taiwan infoboxes

===>Preferences? Do you have any preferences between using the footer versus the side box? If it's a long article, the side one; short article the footer? Justin (koavf) 20:35, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

===>My take I prefer the sideboxes, generally, in an aesthetic sense, but I see what you're saying. I would also prefer a PRC/ROC box for cross-strait issues... Justin (koavf) 14:37, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Mainland China

Would you think the term mainland China did include Kinmen and Matsu before 1945 (and did not include the Dachen/Tachen Islands until 1955)? The term may include the present-day Mongolia until recently. The border changes between the PRC with India, Pakistan, Sovient Union/Russia, etc., also complicates the matter, that time here is the fourth dimension. Should all these be better elaborated? Thanks. — Insta ntnood 08:15, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'd say the contemporary usage of the term has been stable since 1955. And as far as I know people in Hong Kong, and probably also in Macau, has been saying 中國大陸 for a long time. — Insta ntnood 09:57, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Sino-German cooperation

Hello Jiang, can you help me write a longer lead section? The featured article page says it should be like around 300 words, but I haven't found a way to do that without repeating stuff. I think the stuff needs copyediting too. Thanks. BlueShirts 20:47, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding Han Chinese page

Say, wouldn't it be good to have at least one historical figure rather than just a bunch of contemporary Han? I mean at least an emperor or Confucius whom I think is a great choice. I'm cool with Jiang Zemin though as that's at least one political figure and Yao's okay too, but Elaine's Chinese American and I'd rather see Confucius representing the history rather than an expat. Just my two cents. Tombseye 01:28, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Flag of the Republic of China - Spoken Wikipedia

Hi Jiang

I noticed you shifted the Spoken Wikipedia box for Flag of the Republic of China to the bottom for the reason of reducing whitespace. I'm about to revert this for a couple of reasons:

1. Each combination of browser, resolution, font size and Wikipedia skin will produce different varieties of whitespace. While it may have looked unsightly on your machine and what you did made a difference, on my machine (1024x768, Firefox 1.5, "Normal" font size, Monobook skin), it's made no discernible difference whatsoever.

2. By shifting the Spoken Wikipedia box to the bottom, you've basically hidden it out of view from the majority of people who will come across the article. The guidelines at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Spoken_Wikipedia#Templates_for_articles say that the box should be at the top of the article, not at the bottom. This is so people are alerted to an alternate method of "consuming" the article.

Cheers, Darobsta 22:51, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ah sorry... I thought you meant white space underneath the Spoken Wikipedia box, not between the first image box and the Spoken Wikipedia box.

As for putting the box at the bottom, there are some who do that, but I just went by what is policy on the project page. Now that I think about it, this is something I should look for/raise on the talk page there. Darobsta 01:05, 5 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Lü Bu -> Lu Bu

Can you explain why you moved Lü Bu to Lu Bu? I don't understand the reasoning, as the trend, it appears, on Wikipedia has been to add umlauts and accents when warranted on people's names. Lu Bu can be a redirect. --Nlu (talk) 19:07, 6 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Emperor Wu of Han

Hope we didn't discourage you over at Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates#Emperor_Wu_of_Han... I really think the Wu of Han article has promise, it just needs some more work (& u seem to be the person to do it!) Mikkerpikker 01:25, 7 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Mmmm... that is a bit of a problem. I don't think either that the Wu article has any chance of passing in its current state, have you asked Nlu to add citations? Wrt copyedit, I'll see if I can help when I have time (won't be for a bit...). In the mean time I suggest you add the citations you have. Mikkerpikker 07:32, 8 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nationalism

Please stop trying to destroy the Flag of Taiwan article. --Mistress Selina Kyle ^{(Α⇔Ω ¦ ⇒✉)} 05:15, 10 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sai chaan

Hello again. I'm afraid you've reverted the move with the wrong destination. User:Huaiwei moved the artciel from Hong Kong style western cuisine to sai chaan, and you've moved it to Hong Kong-style Western cuisine. [2] — Insta ntnood 18:20, 10 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the clarification. I now understand your rationale, but actually I myself never write in this way. Is it among differences between different sets of manuals of style? — Insta ntnood 19:00, 11 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Who appointed you guardian of this article?

(219.95.237.121 15:10, 13 January 2006 (UTC)).[reply]

Please unprotect Template:Browsebar

Work on this template is ongoing. I expect to be making further improvements. Please unprotect it. I'll monitor it for vandalism. Go for it! 17:00, 13 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Jiang

 Hi, Jiang, I would like to invite you to join the edit team for Superpower.

 Here is the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superpower

 This guy Jumbo is revising the China section of the this subject( most negative comments of China) It seems like he think he owns this page.

First of all, it's not just me, but many other people that are reverting your edits. They are clearly POV in favour of China and against Russia and India. Please stop. Jombo 10:35, 15 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Box versus inline-style

Hello again. Could you please kindly help explain the pros and cons of using the box-style and the inline-style for romanisations? Thanks in advance. — Insta ntnood 17:55, 15 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. — Insta ntnood 20:57, 23 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Heads-up

There is a Requested move to move West Point (disambiguation) back to West Point. --Philip Baird Shearer 01:37, 18 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Conflicting information: Villa Montalvo

Are you certain that Villa Montalvo is in fact in Saratoga?

The Villa Montalvo and commons:Image:Cuperino-villa.jpg articles give conflicting information of where it is located. The Wikipedia articles states that it is in Saratoga, while the commons article states that it is in Cupertino. In either case, one of those articles need to be corrected and moved as necessary. — Seven Days » talk 20:45, 22 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your help, I have moved the image on the commons to it's proper location. By the way, you are very fortunate to live in Cupertino, it is a really nice community. I want to live there when I grow up. — Seven Days » talk 23:07, 22 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Taiwan vs. ROC

In a list of countries should the Republic of China go under "Taiwan" or "China"? Does Wikipedia have a policy for this? – Zntrip 02:28, 23 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! – Zntrip 04:29, 23 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but I was informed of this: [3]. It seems to be some type of official Wiki policy about the names of the PROC and ROC. Do you know anything about this? – Zntrip 05:37, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again for the information; Alanmak's edits don't seem to make sence. – Zntrip 23:47, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

2003 iraq invasion

Not sure how that last massive revert came in there. It wasn't mine, all I changed was I've been deleting the POV "unprecedented terrorism" remarks. Just letting you know that it didn't come from me. Swatjester 01:31, 24 January 2006 (UTC) oh ps I'll be monitoring here for response if any, no need to come to my talk page. Swatjester 01:31, 24 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

nope, it wasn't you i was trying to revert. i agree with your edit, but had already gotten rid of that phrase earlier and went further. It was this edit by 84.59.108.128, who mass reverted these set of edits by me. I had changed "Decisive Coalition victory; Iraqi regime toppled; occupation of Iraq; emergence of insurgency and unprecedented terrorism" to "Saddam Hussein and Baath Party toppled; occupation of Iraq; emergence of insurgency".--Jiang 01:42, 24 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

oh ok, I've come under fire for reverting so many times, so I've made a request for final consensus on the bottom of the talk page, and included your section in. Please vote? Swatjester 01:52, 24 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Could you please vote in that talk page? That annoying anon is going around like an asshole, and hunting down liberal members of wikipedia to back him up on the vote. Swatjester 11:05, 24 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

the Chinese characters in Greater China SHOULD BE UNICODIFIED

According to Wiki's Rules on Chinese Characters, the Chinese charaters SHOULD BE UNICODIFIED. Why did you revert my edition in Greater China?? --Neo-Jay 07:51, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Freeway

Hi Jiang, Could you help mediate a mild dispute I have with another user on certain aspects of the Freeway article. The user and I need additional input and feedback. Please check out Talk:Freeway. Have a Happy Lunar New Year (This year Won Won). Allentchang 00:40, 29 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Kuomintang flag.png

Image deletion warning

Image:Kuomintang flag.png has been listed at Category:Candidates for speedy deletion, because the image is redundant with Image:Naval Jack of the Republic of China.svg.

Speculation about the papal conclave, 2005

Please reply on this page. I notice you have suggested Speculation about the papal conclave, 2005 be cleaned up. I was just visiting that page to propose a deletion since it is pointless butyou got there before me. I didn't want to tread on your toes. Would you mind if I removed the clean up tag and proposed for deletion? Stroika 13:46, 30 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Magnus Manske

I put that page through a regular AfD and it survived. That AfD was less than 30 days old when you whacked the article by simply chanding it to a redirect. I am putting it back. -- Pinktulip 16:49, 31 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Kaine response

Please stop making this into a redirect. It's a completely different speech. KI 23:39, 1 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sinophobia

Obviously I did pay any particular mind to this, but I'm having trouble finding what was "grossly POV", according to the anon. [4] In fact, I may be a bit slow on the uptake here but I'm not seeing much of a distinction at all. Mind explaining what is going on? --TJive 20:29, 2 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Emperor of Japan

Sorry. It was late last night and I must have gotten articles mixed up or something. Your edits are fine.-Jefu 03:08, 3 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Taiwan

Please help me out with the anon on Taiwan. I've used up my 3 reverts. Thanks. --Khoikhoi 05:12, 4 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

File:ROC flag old.png listed for discussion

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--Kibinsky 03:07, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Vietnamese American category rename attempt

Someone is attempting to have the Category:Vietnamese Americans renamed to contain a hyphen. It is incorrect to have such a hyphen when describing Americans of Vietnamese descent. I would like your support in the discussion here. — J3ff 18:29, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Image copyright problem with Image:Yuan_T._Lee_family.jpg

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Copyright information has been added. ⇒ SWATJester

^Ready Aim _Fire! 08:10, 12 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

are you an administrator?

Based on wikipedia's policy, you should maintain a neutral point of view to provide a good encyclopedia, unfortunately you changed my article on Taiwan independence with no apparent reason, plus your picture is an example of hatred and lack of respect toward Taiwanese and President Chen Shui-Bian.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Freestyle.king (talk • contribs)

still haven't answer my question

i asked you to remove your picture because a lot of people do know how to read mandarin. you didn't answer my question so i had no alternative except removin it. sorry man but you gotta do it according to the rules— Preceding unsigned comment added by Freestyle.king (talk • contribs)

is taiwan=shame a comment that is acceptable on wikipedia? slander is not acceptable on here. you can have your own opinion on these issues but if you're tryin to brainwash people on this site then you go to the wrong place

My two cents:

It's not a violation of the NPOV policy because this is a talk page, not an article, nor did Jiang state that he was endorsing the message therein. If he was endorsing the message therein, it might, just might, be a violation of the no-personal-attack policy, but that is moot because no endorsement was stated. --Nlu (talk) 07:46, 12 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Okay but Jiang does have a picture that is very anti-Dalai Lama. Does that make him subjective then? It is only his talk page. In anycase Jiang without a doubt seems to take a China POV over matters such as Taiwan and Tibet although is somewhat sensitive enough in cases to make it somewhat neutral without giving up his slanted point of view.

This makes me wonder though, as a newcomer to Wikipedia, could I put a picture of someone being slayed by Nazi's or some other image that will offend groups? How about pictures of Japanese soldiers during the Nanjing Massacre? Apparently anything is game as long as I don't personally endorse it. Personally I have a feeling I'd be shunned, but If I am not allowed then its obvious that there is some bias here.— Preceding unsigned comment added by ShrimpCrackers (talk • contribs)

shame

by the way, accusing the assassination attempt on president chen is a way to win the election is unacceptable. remove the picture immediately — Preceding unsigned comment added by Freestyle.king (talk • contribs)

As I've noticed that Jiang has explained on your talk page, he doesn't endorse the message contained therein. There's no policy that I'm aware of that requires the removal of the picture. Please explain what policy you think he's violating. If you fail to do so but persist in demanding the image's removal, I may construe your future messages as violations of WP:NPA. --Nlu (talk) 07:59, 12 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

2006 Winter Olympics NOC order

on the IOC website, if you go to the NOCs pulldown menu, Chinese Taipei is listed after China, and not under Taipei. This was my original reason to move Chinese Taipei to its prior location, and is my reason again. Where they marched in in the opening ceremony was due to the European concept of putting nouns before adjectives; in an English-speaking nation, Chinese Taipei always marches in directly after PRChina. Just a little clarification before the re-move; not trying to start an edit war, just going by what the IOC says.. -- Jjjsixsix ^(talk)/_(contribs) @ 04:29, 16 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, must have missed that. But anyhow, the IOC puts them in succession on their website, so do you think we should go by that? The past articles have put them together, except for the 2002 page, which inexplicably puts China under People's. I personally have no objections either way, but by precedent, by organization, and by alphabetical order,

Chinese Taipei follows

China, which I think is in just about everything except the parade of nations. -- Jjjsixsix ^(talk)/_(contribs) @ 05:44, 16 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, that link is to the IOC organzational website, (olympic.org). The most massive problem is that I can't find any site that uses Chinese Taipei; the news organizations tend to use Taiwan, and while I would prefer ROC, I completely understand why. Can't find any proof other than the listing of NOCs on the website, so I'd go with what wiki has done through the old Olympics, unless proof of the contrary can be found. That said, proof of the status quo would be nice as well. I want to sleep. I'll look tomorrow. -- Jjjsixsix ^(talk)/_(contribs) @ 07:23, 16 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Article for Deletion

Greetings. You may be interested in voting on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse (image free). Thanks. --Descendall 01:28, 17 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

President of China

Hey Jiang. I'm wondering two things. First, on the political ranking of the CPC article, why does it say the Premier is higher than the Chairman of the NPC (because Wu Bangguo is higher in ranking than Wen Jiabao, although probably has less power). Second, do you know if there is an actual website for the President's Office in the PRC? Colipon+(T) 23:44, 18 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

List of sovereign states

Jiang,

I have the following suggestion to deal with the list of sovereign states issue. We could try to eliminate the confusing subcategories in the list and put the following notice in the introduction:

To facilitate the searching of the list and to avoid any sensitive suggestion of supporting any political agenda, this list is only organized in alphabetical order without subcategories. However, it is important to note that this list consists of the following: <191 UN states, Vatican City, Republic of China, etc.>

Otherwise, I really think that those people trying to enforce the new version of the list are overdoing things. Allentchang 14:00, 19 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

List of Sovereign states

Look, you didn't get objections about TAIWAN ONLY. Not the whole pile of the criminal-controlled territories of the world. Why do you equate Taiwan (ROC) to the territories without any control? If you have arguments to add Taiwan, add TAIWAN, not the separatist regions, ok? Pirveli 09:41, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Again... What you are doing is destroying the compromise reached on the discussion board of the List of sovereign states. Please, stop that. You may have arguments for adding Taiwan, but you have NO arguments for adding the separatist regions. Please, stop making changes that contradict the compromised version of the List. Pirveli 10:09, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You opposed the way Taiwan is listed, thats it. You have NO arguments for adding separatist regions to the List of Seovereign States. If you have them - write it on the talk page of the List. Preferabbly, read the previous discussion on the issue. Pirveli 10:15, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Seventeenth Amendment to the United States Constitution

I removed the text from the Federal Senate's site on direct election since I couldn't find a copyright/PD notice on their site (However I didn't look TOO far) and I think direct appropriation is frowned upon, however I don't know about the last point. 68.39.174.238 07:46, 24 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, interesting place to hide a copyright notice, "one liners and teasers". While it's in the public domain, I'm still a little leery of wholesale importation unless there's a precedent. 68.39.174.238 08:14, 24 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It just seems suspiscious, and if nothing else I suspect has had a hand in freezing that articel in time. Anyway, I've edited around with it to be less of a direct appropriation. 68.39.174.238 08:43, 24 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

good job editing

u seemed to be improvin on NPOV. lol don't be mad it's a compliment--Freestyle.king 08:26, 24 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Jiang

Hey Jiang. I thought you might be interested in the article on Jiang Zemin (not assuming any connection between your name and his). I think it's an article that needs great improvement, but it is lacking support. No one ever visits its talk pages. The notice boards don't help. I don't know, are you interested in things like this? Colipon+(T) 08:07, 25 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion on soverein states

Jiang, could you please reply to my last question on the discussion page? Pirveli 11:56, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

List of sovereign states

Hey Jiang, would you please be able to help me out on List of sovereign states? I'm still discussing things with User:Irakliy81 on the talk page, but he continues to revert. There is no consensus on removing Abkhazia and South Ossetia from the article. Thanks. --Khoikhoi 02:58, 28 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'll try to discuss this one last time, if this doesn't work, I'll call a poll via a RfC. 's that okay? —Nightstallion (?) 06:56, 1 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Information Request

Jiang, my name is Casey Harrigan. I am a collegiate debater for Michigan State University. Could you contact me about proper citation of some of your work? Please email me at: harriga8@msu.edu. Thanks. Please reply. Thank you. 10:02 4 March 2006 (UTC)

(Jiang himself might clarify this, but...) Assuming you mean his writing on Wikipedia, you would cite it the way that you would any other Web page. Consult the style manual of the competition you are involved with. If not specified, the default in college research should be Chicago style, I'd think. --Nlu (talk) 08:13, 5 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Chinese Naming Conventions

Jiang, when you told Instantnood that no policy prohibited Wikipedia from using "Taiwan" to mean more than the island he retaliated by restoring that sentence prohibiting the usage to the guideline. He has gone on to say there isn't any consensus to change that. We've gone over that, there is discussion on the talk page, etc (basically, this is a prescriptive prohibition which wikipedia doesn't do in policy). I reverted him once, but I'm not going to get in an edit war with him. I know you care about this pretty carefully constructed guideline. Can you help resolve? SchmuckyTheCat 18:26, 28 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please kindly note the changes were made before user:SchmuckyTheCat started the thread at the talk page. Even worse was that no consensus had been reached there. — Insta ntnood 18:47, 28 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

DYK

Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article National Resources Commission, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Gurubrahma 03:42, 2 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

==Can't argue forever, but somehow feel frustrated==

I don't understand why, but I feel extremeley frustrated by the discussion about the List of Sovereign States. Although part of the reason may have to do with ROC, the other part of the reason was that I took a course in political geography over at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, where the professor gave pretty well defined definitions of "nation" and "state" with the Montevideo Convention in mind. He said that we have to be a little skeptical and cautious about official recognition as a basis to determine the existence of a state. Unfortunately, he avoided the question about the definition of a country because the relationship between country and state is not as truly clear cut as the relationship between country/state and nation. In Chinese, both state and country are aliased into the term "guo" and nation is associated with "min-zu" as in "tribe" or "ethnic group."

There's someone in the discussion board who basically say that footnotes and introductory explanations is BS and that such thing is for the List of countries. And then again there are calls to make the list into several catergories in different articles again.

Even my mother has noticed that I've been extremeley crossed and agitated for some reason these days. Can you recommend any 12-step program for me to avoid the Wikipedia for several months? Allentchang 00:23, 5 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

212.219.82.39 Block

It took me a while to realise but when trying to edit whilst at school i noticied it said i was blocked. I know that i was not the cause but i would like to know if there was any way that it could be unblocked just for my user name??? I'll keep an eye on this page for a reply --Childzy 18:34, 7 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Your messages to user:Alanmak

Your messages to user:Alanmak had been deleted, with the edit summary " disregard bullshit ". [5] — Insta ntnood 20:59, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Barnstar question

How would I legitimately move a barnstar posted on my talk page to my user introduction page? Or is it alright to copy the Barnstar contents in the talk page to the user introduction page? (I'm not that familiar with the Barnstar system . . . .) Allentchang 00:20, 12 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nobel succession box

As the prize is awarded annually, there is clearly a succession, so the succession box is correct. It is directly relevant to know who won in previous and subsequent years. FearÉIREANN\^(caint) 02:18, 12 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You miss the point. There is one Nobel prize. It isn't a new prize created every year. It is awarded annually (though need not be if no one is thought worthy of it). It is standard Wikipedia practice in thousands of succession boxes to list the next person linked with something, whether a post, a position, an emolument, a title, an award to anything else where one person follows another. Providing those chains of links is standard WP policy and has been for years. It does not imply succession. That is simply the name of the box because it was originally used to list successions before its use was broadened out to list any chain of links. It is perfectly correct when listing the winner of the 1981 prize winner to link back to the 1980 winner and forward to the 1982 winner. That is and remains the acceptable way of doing it. FearÉIREANN

\^(caint) 02:58, 12 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Treaty of Good-Neighborliness and Friendly Cooperation Between the People's Republic of China and the Russian Federation

I sorta had the format of the Agreement of Friendship, Cooperation, and Mutual Assistance in mind, but I guess this one was pretty long. Regards, El_C 04:12, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

LEADERS OF ROC AND PRC

I cant make anything out of ROC or PRC leadership. Was Hu hammin supposed to be ROC/KMT leader from 1927-'31/'32 or what?! Was chiang leader from 1928-'75 or '31-'75? it hints at him rising to power in '28 but then it just goes to some weird quote.it implies he had supreme power yet choose not to exercise it. was the guy who was pres. from '88-2000 supreme ruler or was the party leader? How long was li acting leader? who was ROC leader from 1915-'18? Vital Component