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Former good articleSega Genesis was one of the Sports and recreation good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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Non Free Content debate #99999999

reposting relevant part of SexyKick's post on this topic + relocating replies to this post:
hm, you took out the JP Mega Drive logo as well? We reached consensus to keep it in the history section, as it was the original logo of the Mega Drive, therefore fits in history. It's a public domain image anyway, so there's no reason for it to not be there.--SexyKick 23:30, 3 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
This image was designed by someone at Sega. Therefor this work is intellectual property of Sega. How could it possibly be public domain? 00:02, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
Excellent question, from this link "it is not possible to copyright a new version of a textile design merely because the colors of red and blue appearing in the design have been replaced by green and yellow, respectively. The same is true of a simple combination of a few standard symbols such as a circle, a star, and a triangle, with minor linear or spatial variations."
Of course, trade mark/(R) still apply.--SexyKick 00:05, 4 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
So, here we go again. We're still stuck with 3x copyrighted logos when there should be none (0) to comply with Wikipedia's licensing policies. DCEvoCE (talk) 13:41, 4 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand. Can someone explain to me this issue?--BeastSystem (talk) 13:57, 4 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Eh, if I'm understanding the problem correctly, there are too many copyrighted logos in the article? The JP logo file says this "This image only consists of simple geometric shapes and/or text. It does not meet the threshold of originality needed for copyright protection, and is therefore in the public domain." It seems that you miscounted the copyrighted logos??--BeastSystem (talk) 15:11, 4 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

DCE, this is a similar predicament with the one you're in discussing the source of the audio differences. It seems to me that you don't understand that the Asian/JP Mega Drive logo is public domain, not copyrighted, simply trade marked. This does not make the image count as NFC. It is listed on Wikimedia Commons, and was even discussed very lightly there, and left alone. There's no need for the tag.--SexyKick 23:47, 4 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I can tell, SexyKick is right on this one. To explain it better, lets say you draw a purple triangle. Would it be illegal for someone else to draw another purple triangle? Now you draw a purple triangle next to a blue square - is that copyrighted? Hopefully you can see the point - the original logo for the Mega Drive, like the purple triangle and the blue square, are not complex enough to be copyrighted. Any images that are not copyrightable are by law available in the Public Domain, since anyone is legally allowed to reproduce them (due to lack of complexity/originality). Alphathon /'æl.f'æ.ðɒn/ (talk) 02:39, 5 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

i don't think this is a good idea, as there is already a whole page dedicated to the different systems. posting a whole gallery like that is overkill.Evan-Amos (talk) 17:36, 7 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Units sold ?!

There's an inconcistency between the lead and the infobox. The lead guesstimates it from 29 million to over 40.8 million while the infobox states Estimated from 37.3 to over 40.8 million. I guess someone updated one without the other, but I'm not an expert so I let someone more knowlegeable fix it. :) -- Luk talk 13:08, 14 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It says that to appease the people who would rather write in 29 million and act like the rest of the information doesn't exist. The info box lists the most up to date estimates.--SexyKick 14:54, 14 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It says that to appease the people who would rather add up their own numbers from questionable sources instead of using what verifiable, reliable sources actually say. Anomie⚔ 10:47, 15 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Additional Images in vector

Hey Guys, I was trawling the 'images that should be vector bit and uploaded a vector megadrive 2, its fairly realistic and neutral, so anyway, if there's any need or desire for this resource, here it is

Add caption here

Hope it can be of some help :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kamikazedesign (talk • contribs) 13:46, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

Mega Drive → Sega Genesis – There has been some discussion after finding out numbers that would move this to Sega Genesis or Genesis (video game system) at WT:VG#(Super) Famicom or (Super) Nintendo Entertainment System.

Even though its not technically the correct name as the Genesis is a specific version, more sources, including more reliable sources such asacademic and media sources refer to it as the Genesis or Sega Genesis for the entire series. There is also side arguments made that it was originally released under that title, but the main point is that it violates WP:COMMONNAME. National variety of English shouldn't come into play here as this was originally a Japanese, not European system.陣内Jinnai 19:56, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If by numbers you're referring to the Google hits you posted there, it's been done before, and there's a good reason we don't use Google hits to prove anything - they're not reliable or consistent. To prove it, I'll raise you a Sega Genesis 11.1 million hits vs Sega Mega Drive 11.3 million hits. "Sega Megadrive" (contraction) yields another 3.8 million. Despite that I wouldn't use it to claim MD to be the "common" name... The fact is there isn't one common name - Genesis and Mega Drive are both used, but Mega Drive has the distinction of being both the original name, and the name used everywhere in the world (English speaking and otherwise) excepting one region. Miremare 20:58, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I was referring to google scholar hits and the RS search engine at WP:Anime and much less to the generic hits and news hits. There was also consensus agreed to by the larger community at WP:VG who seemed to think that it was legit. However, I still realize the move would be controversial. Ultimately though Consensus can change.陣内Jinnai 21:03, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Restricting search results to Google Scholar can't provide you with a common name, certainly not when there are only 1000 hits total or 600 odd hits difference. Also, looking at results in other categories, Google Shopping gives a massive difference in favour of Mega Drive (>5000), and Google News results in exactly equal hits. Usage is what we're looking for to find a common name so these are just as relevant. There has to be more than just roughly equal numbers to this move or we're nowhere different than any of the previous discussions on this. Miremare 21:24, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I think there is some discrepancy here since when I use Google, I get different result numbers. Also, using quotes makes a gigantically huge difference, narrowing down the search to about 9 million "Sega Genesis" vs. 3.5 million "Sega Mega Drive". Shopping gives me 25,000 results for Sega Genesis, and 18,000 for Sega Mega Drive (no quotes). Also, here's a list of the reasons I've gathered from previous discussions of this same topic.
  1. The Sega Genesis was the most successful brand of the Mega Drive, with sales accounting for over 55% of the consoles sold bearing the name "Sega Genesis".
  2. There are more native English speaking people in North America than everywhere else in the world combined.
  3. Genesis name is used on GameFAQs, GameSpot, GameRankings and other CNET websites, as well as MobyGames, Ebay, and Amazon.com. These are sites a user new to the subject would go to, and are considered valid resources for Wikipedia articles within context. (as Sega Genesis was the name which most controversy was sparked under)
  4. To date, no equal importance third-party websites shown using the Mega Drive name as a primary have been presented in this discussion.
  5. Sega continues to use Genesis branding for North America releases. See Sega Genesis Collection.
  6. Per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English), by far the most English references used in the article use the name "Sega Genesis" or simply "Genesis".
  7. People new to the subject are more common for English speakers to encounter it as "Sega Genesis" due to the primary hubs used for information on video games for said group.
  8. Sega Genesis name is much more common to produce results in search engines over Mega Drive, and Sega Genesis turns up more google search results than Sega Mega Drive.
  9. Sega Genesis was the brand that was first presented to English speaking consumers.
  10. Original name doesn't matter - only common name.
That being said, here are three reasons why the Mega Drive article is not called the "Sega Genesis" article.
  1. The product was intended to be called Mega Drive in America, but a trademark dispute prevented it.
  2. The product is originally named Mega Drive in Japan.
  3. Apart from North American countries, the product was released in all other countries as Mega Drive.--SexyKick 23:44, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Only that last 2 points are the argument for Mega Drive. There is also that there are still a substantial (albeit lesser) number of hits for Mega Drive. However, by and large the consensus is Gensesis > Mega Drive. North America, specifically the US and to a lesser extent Canada, are have been historically the major force in English video games since their inception (whatever date you want to put that at, it is disputed). While Japan may have taken center stage, the US/Canada market has still been the primary English-language market and has therefore been the trend setter for any English-language naming with very few exceptions; this is not one of those exceptions.陣内Jinnai 00:03, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I have to agree with SexyKick and Jinnai...WP policy seems pretty clear that CommonName favors the Sega Genesis. That common sense does too is a huge bonus. I also want to echo the comments about the google hits. Unless I distort my results by not using any quotation marks on a 3 word term, "Sega Genesis" and combos thereof gets between 2 and 12 times the hits as "Sega Mega Drive" and combos thereof on ordinary google.LedRush (talk) 00:14, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as per Miremare's comments. Google results are skewed due to the proliferation of the North American market, but that doesn't detract from the fact that Genesis was a second-choice name simply because Mega Drive wasn't available to them. I would also suggest that (in this case) the argument that "North America, specifically the US and to a lesser extent Canada, are have been historically the major force in English video games since their inception" is flawed, because if it were true, then the Mega Drive would have been the Genesis in the UK and the rest of Europe - which it wasn't. a_man_alone (talk) 06:09, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support Most (near all) of the sources used for the article refer to the console as the Sega Genesis. Also, using Google.co.uk only lowers Genesis numbers, it doesn't raise Mega Drive numbers. Common name is the common name, and sales numbers dictate it was the common variation sold no less.--SexyKick 11:26, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - As mentioned in the numerous discussions before, it's known as the Mega Drive in most English language countries. Irrelevant things such as sales figures don't change that fact.

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