Talk:Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door

Censored?

In the article on games censored by nintendo, it lists this game as censored for "LGBT elements." What's up with that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.53.59.87 (talk) 18:16, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

• There seems to be a lot going around about how, in the Japanese version, Vivian was male. This was apparently changed in the US version, where Vivian is referred to as being female. I personally can't say if its true that Vivian was male, its just what I've read elsewhere. Bored461 (talk) 08:40, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

• Yes, it's stated here that the original japanese tattle refers to Vivian as a male disguised as female, much like happened with Birdo in it's first appearence —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.32.207.179 (talk) 01:34, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Abilities of characters

Is it really necessary to list the abilities of the characters in this article? Or at any rate, is there any reason only Mario's and Goombella's are listed? CaptainSpam 16:21, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps that the person who added them (Me) hasn't had the time to do the abilities for Mario and Goombella. Also, no reason to split up articles; it's not as if there's space problems. We have the ToC to navigate.--A Link to the Past 03:51, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)

• Fair enough. Was just wondering, is all. CaptainSpam actually remembered to sign it this time 06:34, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Pictures

It'd be nice if we could get a picture of the game on here. The stylized look is a large part of this excellent game, IMHO. --pie4all88 03:35, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

Proposals

Alright, since there seems to be some back and forth editing, I've got a few proposals for the direction of the article. Please vote on each individually, and we can take action when the debate dies down.

1. . Aside from Mario, Luigi, Princess Peach, Yoshi, and Bowser, character pages should be condensed and merged onto this page. First of all, VfD has already supported this approach for a good half-dozen previously created character pages. Secondly, WP:FICT supports this approach, and, while not yet considered policy, it does have the backing of consensus, which is halfway there. Finally, when you remove gameplay info (see next proposal), the articles are nice and concise anyway, which makes this all the more convienient and reasonable.
2. . The info about Mario's attacks, as well as the in-depth gameplay info of a similar nature on character pages/in character summaries needs to be removed. The phrase "wikipedia is not GameFAQs is a phrase seen fairly commonly on VfD, and has been supported by consensus. Basically, the argument is that information of this nature is in the vien of a 'how-to', which does not belong here as covered in WP:NOT.
3. . The 'cleanup' tag needs to be applied until character summeries are tidied up. At current, the characters section is a mess, and I know some of that text is copyvio. This isn't as big a proposal as the last two (since someone could just DO it), but it's still a big job, and it still needs attention.

--InShaneee 29 June 2005 03:31 (UTC)

Regarding #1...wow. Looks like GameFAQs vomited all over Wikipedia or something. You're right; other than major, recurring characters in the Mario universe, the characters should be restrained to this page. If any become recurring, then they might warrant separate pages, but that's neither here nor there. And yes, the gameplay and character info could stand to be scaled back. Maybe I'll tackle this page later. --Slowking Man June 29, 2005 03:43 (UTC)

I concur! It is fairly rediculous to give each character there own page. --Phroziac (talk) 29 June 2005 03:45 (UTC)

Someone needs to get a better Shadow Sirens picture, and a picture of the game in-battle. -- A Link to the Past 19:45, July 9, 2005 (UTC)

Ew ew ew ew ew.

Needs major improvement. Too much of this is characters, who each have mini paragraphs attributed to them. -- A Link to the Past 15:02, July 31, 2005 (UTC)

• Agreed. Can we find some consensus on this? It seems that everything I try to take out just gets put back in, so it'd be good to have something to refer back to before trying again. As an introductory proposal, I suggest we get rid of everything under 'other characters', for starters. If there is no opposition, I shall do this shortly. --InShaneee 21:33, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
  • The consensus from many vfds is to place them here. Sonic Mew | talk to me 17:39, September 4, 2005 (UTC)

We could just merge the other characters with this article. --anon

Lady Bow

Don't you think that we ought to mention somewhere in this article that at the end of the game, Lady Bow appears at some place? I forgot what place it was, but it's a place with the museum. --anon

Poshley Heights. –Hollow Wilerding 19:51, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you! So shouldn't we add it? --anon

... I dunno... I seems kind of irrelevant. If we mention that, should we mention other references to the first Paper Mario, or even any references to other games? For Paper Mario at least, you could mention that... that weasel guy who went to get rich (name?) went to the Dry Dry Desert and met practically every important character there, including Kolorado, whose dead dad you also see. I'm pretty sure there are others too... Sorry if I'm not great at writing... at least I don't try to write articles! ;-) 1337 r0XX0r 20:20, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

You don't write that bad! Besides, I'm sure if you wrote an article, it would be great. And maybe the weasel (I forgot his name, too) could be added to the character section. And Lady Bow appearing in this game could be in a trivia section or something because she is the only character there that returned from the original Paper Mario game. --anon

Weasel guy? I assume you mean Lumpy. And he's a Ratooey. Blue Mirage 08:28, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

YOu know, unlike the other references to the first game, this one is more....oh how do you put it...more attention grabbing? Only other thing more, uh, noteworthy(that was the word I was looking for) may be the Junior Troopa cameo in the Zip Toad email. I mean, if the fact that e-mail music is from older games is considered good trivia, I don't see why Bow and/or JT couldn't be mentioned.

Let's not forget Bootler... Is there Trivia on the Missing Partner Sprites that were found? Angry Sun 17:30, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Lady Bow's not the only one from the original that appeared. In the very beginning of the game, who delivered the mail to the Mario Bros.? None other than Parakarry. Jeremy Plaza 18:01 July 1, 2007

Original SMB Easter Egg

You know, towards the end, when you and your partner can drop through the roof into the dressing room and come out looking like old-school SMB characters? Shouldn't it be mentioned, at least under Trivia? --Gaming King 05:58, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Done, though I would prefer it if someone could make my definition shorter...(I'm new to this kind of thing) Blue Mirage 08:07, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

What dressing room? Zman42 14:05, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

There's a dressing room in the X-Naut Fortress, and another room through which you can go above the ceiling. From above, you can fall into a stall in the dressing room, and become 8-bit characters. DonPianta 01:59, 10 June 2010 (CST) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.30.136.204 (talk)

More Sprites???

I recently stumbled across this website with sprites apparently included in the programming but were not used in the game. Could someone please verify this information and include it in the article if neccesary? The site is here: [1]. The sprites are found on the bottom of the page. 138.192.30.189 00:00, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Is Captain Stache a reference...

to Dave Barry and Ridley Pearson's book, Peter and the Starcatchers? The main villain is Called Captain Black Stache, who later becomes Hook in Peter Pan. Just a thought... Lordofallkobuns 12:03, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Alright, I'll say something.wtf? Why is this mentioned when the talk page is about Paper Mario and the Thousand year door? Seriously dude, your in the wrong place.[[User:SxeFluff|--SxeFluff 23:27, 6 October 2007 (UTC)]]18:31,6 October 2007

Bosses

Is an entire list of bosses really necessary? I'd call it cruft. –Llama man 22:33, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I'd agree with that assessment. --InShaneee 00:51, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Mistake under "battle system."

Under the category "battle system," it says that Paper Mario 2 borrowed the battle system from Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga, but that's not really true. Superstar Saga was made in 2003, so obviously Paper Mario 2 just used the same battle system from its first game, Paper Mario, which was released in February 6, 2001. Superstar Saga was made after Paper Mario. Of course, my thought is paper mario, paper mario 2, superstar saga, and partners in time are all using the battle system from Super Mario RPG. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.251.185.160 (talk) 01:48, 16 February 2007 (UTC).

Crystal Star

Shouldn't we at least have a picture of the seven crystal stars, and provide the name of each crystal star?Gamloverks 16:25, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Specific references and description needed

The sentence: "Once you beat Bonetail, you can use Flurrie to find a secret pipe which leads to a room with a chest. Open the chest, and you will find a badge that disables you from being hurt for the first five turns," does not cite a reference or provide any useful information within the game that would allow for verification of this statement.

I tried to find a website online that would support this statement, but I was unable to find any articles.

I suggest that we remove this line (and all similar lines that aren't appropriately referenced) or provide a reference (either in-game w/ sufficient detail, or an external website).

Comosabi 16:15, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Including what the Treasure Was

Does anyone think we should include what was in the treasure the map led to? (learned about by talking to Frankly after beating SQ) ChunkyKong12345 23:55, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Maybe, but there has definetely got to be a "Spoiler Warning" above the section of the article that talks about the treasure. Unknown Dragon 18:27, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Vivian

In the trivia section, it states Vivian is a male in the Japanese version. However, everything I've ever seen that wasn't just fanboys going "OMFG VIVIAN'S A BOY" seems to point to the fact that in the Japanese version, Vivian's gender is at best left to be ambiguous, and that any references to her as a boy could be interpreted as insults (as in when Beldam calls her that) or confusion because Beldam refers to her this way. I think that if a note about Vivian's gender in the Japanese version (as any ambiguities aren't present in the English localization), it should state simply that it's much more ambiguous, unless of course someone has a citation they can provide for this? 69.234.113.160 20:32, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Audience/Stage section

Since the audience and stage have a lot to do with battle, should it be combined into the Battle section?Amazeedayzee (talk) 19:58, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

GAN

Some issues:

• "The plot is based on Mario as he tries to retrieve the seven Crystal Stars and rescue Peach from the X-Nauts, an alien species introduced in The Thousand-Year Door." How can a plot be based on Mario?
• The reception portion of the lead is skimpy. Try adding in a line on positives and negatives in general.
• "although the majority of locations not featured in previous Mario games" - do you mean are not featured?
• NPCs needs to be written out and linked before you refer to it (in Characters)
• "In particular, the Goomba Professor Frankly must be visited every time Mario retrieves a Crystal Star". How about telling me who this guy is. "For example, Professor Frankly, a Goomba who [...], must be visited every time..."
• "The game focuses primarily on the ventures of Mario, although it will frequently cut to Princess Peach in the X-Naut Fortress." Do you mean Mario is the main character? Then state that.
• "A sequel to the game, Super Paper Mario, was developed by Intelligent Systems and released for the Wii in 2007. The game has greater emphasis on platforming and action than in The Thousand-Year Door, with an absence of turn-based combat and a strong gameplay connection to the Super Mario Bros. titles. The plot of the game is unrelated to that of The Thousand-Year Door, with the new character Count Bleck as the primary antagonist of the game. The game received an average score of 85 percent on Game Rankings.[21]" I'm not sure if the sequel is best put here. Either way, I don't think you have to go into such detail about the other game, that's what the link is for (so no scores).

--Basically, copyediting is what this article needs. Drop me a note when you've addressed the concerns. Cheers, David Fuchs ^(talk) 02:34, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Concerns addressed, good job. David Fuchs ^(talk) 21:38, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Story

While I appreciate the good gaith efforts of the IP, the length of the story seems to have spiralled out of control. Large parts of it also seems to be written from an "in-universe" perspective. While I am reluctant to simply revert and ditch's all of the IP's work, it definitely needs reviewing. Salvidrim (talk) 02:04, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Go ahead and revert the IP's edits. The best thing to do would probably revert it to just beyond the point at which it first obtained Good Article status. If you are concerned about the IP's feelings, you perhaps should write a nicely-worded message detailing exactly where they have gone wrong. Ashnard _Talk ^Contribs 21:18, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

He keeps adding to it. I've left him a second message in hopes he'll see it and come over here to at least see why before they're reverted. If I don't hear from him I'll bring the story back to its GA pre-expansion level. Salvidrim (talk) 23:54, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

 Done to last appropriate Story revision (1-Aug), I'm hoping the IP chimes in here or on his talk page (instead of reverting me and continuing the expansion). Salvidrim (talk) 16:06, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Okay, you have done everything that you can do under the circumstances. Let's just hope he/she sees sense and refrains from making such edits. Thank you. Ashnard _Talk ^Contribs 21:43, 10 October 2011 (UTC)