Template talk:Sonic the Hedgehog

Release Dates

I just came an idea. The template has their year dates next to them, so why not just put them in the year they were released, with the year in parenthesis. and not like where each year has a section the template, with having released and cancelled since there wasn't a year for them. And how come Heroes and Advance 2 have 2 years? GENERALZERO (talk) 00:34, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

The years can easily be seen by going to their article. I think it's pointless. I say remove. Also, I think that's because they were re-released? SLJCOAAATR ^{4 6 8 15 16 23 42 108 305 316} 01:41, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Advance 2 wasn't re-released, nor Heroes. But, what do you think about the order? Because the Rush and Rivals series are considered Spin-Offs, and I don't think the hand-held games have a "Main Series" or "Spin-Offs" because they're all spin-offs. I think the first five sections should be combined, and put in chronological order. Like it's been said before, the way it is now makes it more complicated. GENERALZERO (talk) 05:13, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

ACTUALLY, Heroes was re-released for the PC. :P I believe Advance 2 was in some re-release combo pak. Not too sure....

Also, Rush, Rush Adventure, Rivals, and Rivals 2 are all main series. They're the results of '06 being erased, and are, to say, as Daniel Faraday would put it, broke the rope, got around the knot, and started a new string. In essence, they're main series, tie into Archie, which is edging into canon, and have currently unknown lasting effects on future games. Or, at least, that's what Ian Flynn says Sega told him. I have no reason to doubt such a man. SLJCOAAATR ^{4 6 8 15 16 23 42 108 305 316} 23:58, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

It is true that the release years can be seen from the articles, but isn't it far more convenient to see them in the template as well? Most other game articles contain these release years and there is no reason at all why this one should be an exception. --Meph (talk) 12:36, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

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Sonic and Sega All-Star Racing

Seriously, that shouldn't be there. If Sega Superstars Tennis can't be on here, neither should this game. 79.77.74.104 (talk) 20:46, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Project Needlemouse

I added the latest revealed Sonic game, Project Needlemouse, to the template. I have placed it under main series, however I can't confirm whether it matches the criteria mentioned in the documentation. It has not been recognized as a successful main series game (due to lack of information), not a handheld game and most likely a console game since it will be 2D HD gameplay, Sonic features as main character. (talk) 21:57, 9 September 2009 (GMT)

Regarding handhelds

I noticed a lot of people were uneasy with the main series handhelds being put into a separate group, which is indeed OR, however it makes the table more organized to put them in a separate list, so therefore I suggest we do this:

Opinions? Perhaps that should also be done for the spin-offs as well. - MK (^t/_c) 02:14, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Well, I suppose that that would be acceptable, but spin-offs I cannot abide by. A spin-off's a spin-off - one may be more little known than the other, but it's not like people will be confused to see Sonic Eraser next to Sonic Spinball. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 02:37, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

I figured, that's why I didn't touch the spin-off section. - MK (^t/_c) 02:35, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

I agree with the current tablet, but just an addendum...

[Since apparently it's protected from non-users.]

Someone put the Rivals games under handhelds. There's no reason it's in the console section. Also we need to add Sonic Jam, Sonic Gems Collection and Sonic Classics Collection under compilations. Lastly (and this is just opinion), wouldn't you consider Shadow and Sonic 06 spinoffs? 67.214.25.225 (talk) 02:02, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Jam, Gems, etc redirect to the main compilation page, which is what is linked on the side. I'll let someone else handle the rest. - MK (^t/_c) 15:23, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Add a new group for the "original series"

Should we add a new group for the "original series"? That would be Sonic 1, Sonic 2, Sonic 3, Sonic & Knuckles and Sonic 4? If we were to do that, then we could rename the "main series" to something like the "modern series". This would make things more organised. --Josh (Mephiles602) 21:10, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

I don't think so, IMO because that would require a source and Sega has tended to group them together. IIRC Sonic 4 was meant to bridge the gap between S&K and SA1, so I assume it will be just act as an interquel to that series. That and there's an army of "modern series" fanboys that like to pounce on any decision that makes the classic games seem separate. - MK (^t/_c) 00:48, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

I think we should. Sonics 1, 2, 3, &K, and 4 in the 2D console series, and the others (including Sonic Colors) in the 3D console series. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.146.154.105 (talk) 02:39, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Sonic Jam

In response to something I've had to fix more than once, I shall issue a declaration: Do not add Sonic Jam to the compilations group unless you have recreated that article with such content that it will not be speedy deleted and the link in the template will remain relevant. Tezero (talk) 01:26, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Sonic Rivals is not part of the main series.

I'm sure the Sonic Rivals games are more like spinoff games. Railer-man (talk) 19:50, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. They weren't even released in Japan. 208.101.147.253 (talk) 16:23, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Uh, being a Western-only release isn't a good reason. Sonic Riders is a spin-off, and it had a Japanese release. Railer-man (talk) 15:33, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

I seem to be getting no reply. Heaven knows why. Railer-man (talk) 17:14, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

What to do with all the 3D games?

Where do we put all of the 3D sonic games since Sonic 4 continues from Sonic and Knuckles? iluvthissiteIluvthissite (talk) 16:45, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Subgroups for "spin-off games"?

Hello. I think that subgroups could be made for some of the Spin-offs games. Something like this:

Of course, if you have better suggestion or categorization than I, post it here. --Explorer09 (talk) 13:10, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

I fully support this. You could add a "Story Book Series" tab as well. Sergecross73 msg me 17:41, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

This seems better than the current version. Sergecross73's idea about the Story Book Series being added is good too. Perhaps "Olympic-themed" should be changed to something else that might include Shuffle; also the classification of Knuckles' Chaotix as a spinoff and Shadow's game as a main game seems arbitary, they should be classified similarly. The classification criteria needs to be rewritten, it's so old it references things that don't exist anymore. CIGraphix (talk) 21:01, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Yes, perhaps the "Olympic Themed" one could be something regarding "Mini-game Themed". That would fit both the M+S games and Shuffle. Sergecross73 msg me 14:00, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

I don't think the Storybook series needs it own tab, since it only contains two games and Sega aren't planning to continue it from what I've heard. A subtab for non-main-series platform games (Knuckles Chaotix, Tails Adventure, etc.) would be fine if you go through with this minitab thing.

Is there some sort of wikipedia policy that says there needs to be more than 2 items for this sort of things? If not, that's not a reason not to do it...Sergecross73 msg me 18:30, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

I've done a little merging of tabs to reflect this statement. For example, the Storybook games are now part of a Platformers tab with the other platform games, whilst Puzzle and Pinball are now in the Other section. Wonchop (talk) 13:25, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank all of you. I like the current way of tabbing (by genres). Good work. Explorer09 (talk) 17:17, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Sonic Blast versions classification

So I've noticed, Sonic Blast is classified differently between platforms. On handhelds, (labeled as "Blast" ) it's considered the "main series", while on consoles, it's considered a "spin-off" (labeled as "3D"). Is this right? I know they're different games, but I still think they should fall in either one or the other. Sergecross73 msg me 20:43, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm not commenting on whether it is right or wrong to do so, but I assume the reasoning was that Sonic Blast plays in classic 2D right to left while Sonic 3D Blast plays as an isometric platformer with the camera above instead of to the side and prominently features a treasure hunt for Flickies in the core gameplay. CIGraphix (talk) 21:44, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Autobotprowl, 27 December 2010

{{edit semi-protected}} I do not think that "Shadow the Hedgehog" should be included on this list as part of the main series of Sonic games. It does not follow the other characters or the main stories; it is and was always intended to be a spin-off. Does anyone agree with me?

Autobotprowl (talk) 03:25, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. →♠Gƒoley↔Four♣← 07:13, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

I agree with this, it seems silly that a game that doesn't involve playing as Sonic, would be part of a Sonic "main series". It seems like as much of a spin-off as Knuckles Chaotix. (Sonic characters w/o Sonic playable, gameplay mechanics not seen in other Sonic games, etc.) I'll wait to see more responses though before I make any changes...Sergecross73 msg me 20:58, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

I agree that Shadow belongs in a classification like Knuckles Chaotix - both have gameplay that takes the classic Sonic model and changes it (Knuckles has team gameplay, Shadow has guns, vehicles), both don't have Sonic as the star (he is only really a cameo), both have stories that branch off the main Sonic stories. Like I said in another section, it seems arbitrary to classify them differently. CIGraphix (talk) 21:13, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Syberthrouth, 22 January 2011

Not Protect See Ya!

Syberthrouth (talk) 20:30, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Unofficial games

This template is already huge. Do we really need to list some of these "related games", especially the ones that are unofficial hacks? I'd like to remove them. It's already crowded with just "real" Sonic games. Thoughts? Sergecross73 msg me 13:21, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Mario and Sonic series games are sports games

The Mario and Sonic series games are obviously sports games, and yet they have been put in the Party category. I would suggest putting them in a new "Sport" category, and then moving Sonic Shuffle to the "Other" category. Besides, Sonic Shuffle and the Mario and Sonic series aren't even one series. Thanks. Androids101 (talk) 01:05, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes, but they're still both essentially mini-game collections. We don't need to over-categorize...Sergecross73 msg me 10:37, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Tails Game Gear Games

Pretty sure if Shadow has been demoted to spin-off, so should these. Neither have even vaguely traditional Sonic gameplay, nor does Sonic appear in them at all. Rivals is already in the spin-offs section so I don't think adding a couple more handheld ones would be that big a deal. 109.157.167.104 (talk) 13:33, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

I agree. Sergecross73 msg me 16:20, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from , 5 November 2011

Shadow the hedgehog (the video game) was released in 2005. This is not a spin off game, this game was part of the main console series. Shadow the hedgehog (video game) was relesed after "Sonic Heroes". Shadow the hedgehog explained the the story behind shadow, and even have some refrences to sonic heroes in it. this game was the next game in the main series. Even in Sonic the hedgehog "2006", the shadow story line is a continual story to shadow the hedgehog. the story line in sonic the hedgehog 2006 leads us to beleive that Shadow joined up with G.U.N ( Guardian Unit of Nations) after he leaves the past behind him. in Shadow's story line in Sonic the hedgehog 2006, it even explains of parts of shadow the hedgehog. my request is to remove shadow the hedgehog from a spin off series, and put it back to its rightful place in the main series. the gap between sonic heroes and sonic the hedgehog 2006 is about 3 years. its obvious shadow the hedgehog was made to fill the gap between them. it use to be places in the main series until someone edited it. 71.158.65.246 (talk) 03:45, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. --Jnorton7558 (alt) (talk) 13:23, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

None of those things make it a "main series game". Whether or not it covers superficial story elements, the fact of the matter is, you can't play as Sonic, and it has non-conventional gameplay (for instance, gunplay). This makes it much more of a spinoff. Sergecross73 msg me 14:31, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Edit please

• Sonic the Hedgehog (2006) -> Sonic the Hedgehog (2006 video game)
• Sonic the Hedgehog -> Sonic the Hedgehog (1991 video game)
• Triple Trouble -> Sonic the Hedgehog: Triple Trouble
  • Not Done - Did you try the actual links on the template? The ones on the actual template link to the actual articles, and dont' need fixing. If you're commenting on the fact that the whole title's were written out, that was done on purpose, to cut down on redundancy, since there are so many titles on the template. Sergecross73 msg me 14:30, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from , 21 November 2011

In your list of Sonic Games, in the racing spin-off category, you forgot Sonic Drift Racing.

124.191.97.66 (talk) 12:27, 21 November 2011 (UTC)