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PETA Critisism Being Blocked After Every Discussion

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– . Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:46, 15 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

In the PETA Article Talk page (and archives) there have been countless discussions of adding a "controversy" section either at the bottom of the page or a link in the "further reading" section to one. Countless discussions have seemingly ended in hard pressed supporters of PETA either removing any changes, continuing to dispute them after a decision has been reached, or ignorance that such a talk has happened at all.

All that I ask is that an unbiased third party with standing in the community and power to enforce a decision be brought in to try to assess keep the neutrality and fairness of this article, whatever the decision that is reached.

Thank you for reading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.241.135.189 (talk) 03:54, 4 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This forum is for editing assistance. Please consider posting at WP:3O. Thanks. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:33, 9 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

How do i delete edits so that no one can see my ip address

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– Unionhawk ^Talk ^E-mail 16:05, 14 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi everyone i have just edited a page thinking i was on sand box mode but i wasnt no my ip address is on the edit page i have undone the changes but my ip still remains does anyone know how to delete the whole edit so no one can see my ip. thanks for the help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Reptileman467 (talk • contribs) 07:07, 7 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You can't delete entries in the history. Which page is it? (or how about you just don't tell us and no-one will notice) Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 07:13, 7 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:LOGGEDOUT for some other options. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:48, 7 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Change the main title (heading) to sinhala

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– . Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:47, 15 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I create a sinhala page for "Eric Bana". But I cannot change its title or the main heading to sinhala. Please, help me to do that. I want it to translate as "එරික් බැනා". The page link is "http://si.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Bana" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rab632 (talk • contribs) 02:33, 8 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

To do this you must move the page to its new title. To see the "move" link you need to click on the little triangle at the top of the page, next to the "Search" box. If you can't find it then try this direct link: Move. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:05, 8 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Need help re: popular fringe science with only two reliable sources

Basically need advice with Emotional Freedom Techniques, an article in need of much improvement especially POV. There are 2 primary sources, zero secondary or tertiary sources and a bunch of articles in low-status journals and media. WP policy is less clear about what to do when you have few reliable sources. Particularly need help with WP:V, WP:DUE and WP:SPS. Mindjuicer (talk) 15:12, 8 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You could try asking at the project talk pages, also perhaps WikiProject Psychology. I see eight or nine RS , a few dubious sources and one dead link. I suggest you stick with the discussion on the article talk page. Jezhotwells (talk) 15:21, 8 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

IMHO, the topic is fringe but the article does a pretty good job of treating it as such. North8000 (talk) 16:41, 8 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Fringe science does not mean either that the study is wrong or even that bad science is involved. It simply means that an area of research is outside the area of existing research.

As the introduction claims EFT is probably nonsense based on a favourable review by a Guardian columnist and that it's a pseudoscience based on questionable logic by a skeptic magazine, I'm guessing fringe science articles are outside of your area of expertise. Mindjuicer (talk) 03:58, 9 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for responding. I'm not asking for help editing the article but I really need help with clarification of WP policy.

As you've done some research, I'll give you a deeper explanation. There are 3 articles from low-status journals and an open letter from the creator of EFT which credibly & strongly criticise one of the primary sources ie Waite.

The other 'resident' editors of the article over the last 9+ months are all anti-EFT. They have ruled that the open letter cannot even be linked to (although the EFT manual is apparently fine). The most reasonable of such asked for help . There was an ad hominem attack on myself by one of the least reasonable editors but no input re: WP:SPS. A few more editors have appeared recently either due to this request or to the significant unreverted edits I made recently (3rd Dec).

The other resident editors also interpreted RS (narrowly?) to exclude any sources which they don't like ie primary sources only (in spite of the two prominent references each to a Guardian columnist & the Skeptical Enquirer).

So my questions revolve around how significantly the other sources should contribute to the article? What should be the due weight of favourable vs criticism? Mindjuicer (talk) 03:58, 9 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That is not something that you can get a ruling on here. Every article achieves its own balance. You need to work to achieve WP:CONSENSUS on the article talk page, as I said the projects may be able to help if you post neutral requests on their talk pages. Jezhotwells (talk) 10:39, 9 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again, but this would seem to be a major flaw in Wikiedia. With no obvious rule structure or place to ask for help... instant reversion, hostile group action and mis-statement of the rules from a camping POV group of editors will drive away any threat to their consensus. Mindjuicer (talk) 02:52, 10 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

BTW, Wikipedia source requirements are about what is required to consider a statement to be sourced/sourcable, not about what sources are allowed to be in the article. So, it does not prohibit presence of sources that are "too weak", it merely says that they are insufficient to be considered a sourcing for a statement. North8000 (talk) 10:59, 9 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Very valuable contribution, contrary to what the other ediotrs have led me to believe. Thank you. Mindjuicer (talk) 02:52, 10 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Backlinks

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– . Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:40, 15 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Being very new to Wikipedia content I noted that the following page has been recently edited... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outplacement The update is an addition regarding 'Outplacement companies' and containing backlinks to those companies. Is this allowed and on what grounds has someone established that Penna (Outplacement) are the largest in the UK? If this is allowed, can I add my own company to this area? Although not the largest, we very much sit as a leader in this field. Thank you in advance. Mark Edwards --Markinsurrey (talk) 16:12, 9 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You are right to question that. The paragraph you are asking about has been removed as promotional. The articles in wikipedia should not be used to promote businesses. GB fan 16:22, 9 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Is Amazon a "reliable source"?

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– Jezhotwells (talk) 02:12, 16 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Can Amazon.com (or other online publishers) be cited as a source for information on books, music albums, etc? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.143.204.206 (talk) 18:04, 9 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This search might be able to provide some past input on the subject. But as far as I am aware it is considered a situational source rather than a truly reliable one. It can be used for some facts on released (rather than future/un-released) media such as release dates, track listings, album length, page counts, ISBN etc etc and just showing it exists - dry facts only. This should only apply to items listed by Amazon themselves rather than their affiliates. And either way it'd have to be used with extreme care like any situational source. It cannot be used to show any notability. Яehevkor ✉ 18:24, 9 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

By and large, I'd not regard it as a reliable source; you're better off going to the actual publishers themselves. I'd also not consider it reliable for things like genre classifications and the like. What is absolutely never a reliable source is reviews on amazon and similar websites, which are notoriously venues for vandalism, spamming, and PR of the clumsiest sorts. --Orange Mike | Talk 21:20, 9 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah. What I missed from my comments is that Amazon shouldn't be used as long as other sources, even primary sources, exist for the information. Яehevkor ✉ 21:48, 9 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Generally speaking, publication details (distinct from reviews, which are no better than blogs) ought to be obtained from the publisher. (Or some place like WorldCat.org that focuses on collecting that kind of information.) So if Amazon itself publishes a book (etc.), sure. But I rather suspect that the use of Amazon (and similarly for Google) is more usually a sign of editors being too superficial in their searches, and ought to be (at the least) not encouraged. ~ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 22:41, 9 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am not allowed to edit information about the city of Kucov, Albania.

This original contributor, someone with the name MelbourneStar, will not allow me to modify information that he/she has entered. I entered inormation about my city, I was born and raised there, and my father was born, grandfather etc. I know much more about my city than Melbournestar, that I have no idea who's agenda he/she is protecting. I have revised more than 10 times the information about this city but MelbourneStar has flagged it. Who the hell gives this person the right to block information about my town when he is not even from this city ? I want to enrich the history and truth about this city. Also there is innacurate information about my city and Albania........a lot!! I want the owners of this site to allow me to edit this information. If not then I call this website then "infromation manipulator", because you do not report the truth and twist the truth in the interest of some people, who post an article and do not let others change it.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Johny1005 (talk • contribs) 16:37, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Please assume good faith. Your edits were reverted because you did no provide any reliable sources for the material that you added. Jezhotwells (talk) 17:09, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hinduism referred to as mythology

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– Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:20, 16 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Sir/Madam,

I am objecting to the many references to Hinduism and Hindu religious teachings as mythology or legends. It is the oldest religion in the world and the 3rd largest religion. It is also the only religion on the religious portals page that has a section for mythology. No one refers to Christian or Islamic or Judaic religious stories as legends or mythology. Why is Hinduism singled out as legend or myths or mythology or stories?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Hindu_Mythology

I can list many Hindu articles that are referred to as legends or myths. I can also list many Christian and Islamic and Judaic articles that list content as factual, rather than as a legend. E.g. No one refers to the Christian myth of Jesus turning water to wine, or the myth of Noah's ark.

Please eliminate any references to Hinduism as a myth or legend.

Sincerely, Geeta. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.228.90.73 (talk) 19:13, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You're looking in the wrong places. The article for Hinduism is Hinduism, and we have articles on Christian mythology, Jewish mythology, and Islamic mythology, and those other articles refer to their sacred stories as mythology, because mythology refers to "sacred stories," not "false stories." Ian.thomson (talk) 19:19, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Libelous entry

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– . Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:31, 15 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Don't know if you can help me -- but here goes. Someone using the name "TomBrennan06413" posted a libelous statement about me in the first paragraph of my Wikipedia biography. Although an editor removed it, it is still listed at "history". Someone using the same name but without the 06413 (which is my zip code) posted a number of similar, libelous statements at the Internet newspaper ClintonPatch.com -- where currently, anyone can post anything, anonymously. Those posts were subsequently removed, because at least three different people clicked on a tab reporting the posts as inappropriate. There is only one registered voter in my small town of Clinton, CT by the name of Tom Brennan. He is also the only property owner in town with that name -- as well as the only Tom Brennan with a listed phone number. He says he is not responsible for the postings and that his identity has been stolen and his name defamed. My town's police department went to see an Assistant State's Attorney to find out if she would prosecute if a search warrant were obtained to learn the URL - and eventually the identity - of the person who posted the libelous statements at ClintonPatch.com. She said she would not, because as a Police Commissioner, all-be-it an unpaid/volunteer in my community, I am an elected official and therefore a "public figure". Recently I discussed this with Dick Blumenthal, who is one of our Senator's and he was shocked at the response of the State's Attorney and is planning on having someone from his office contact me because he is currently working on legislation to protect people from this form of atrocity. Without a search warrant, ClintonPatch.com will not assist me in learning the identity of the person who libeled me using a name other than their own. And so I was hoping that you might be able to provide me with enough information so that I could try to find out who did the same, against me, at my Wikipedia biography. Regards, Peggy Adler Bxzooo 18:20, 12 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If you feel that you are the subject of a libellous or untrue statement in a Wikipedia biography about you, please go to Wikipedia:Libel and follow the instructions there. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 18:34, 12 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks!!

Bxzooo 18:46, 12 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Worrisome set of edits

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– . Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:41, 16 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This minor degradation popped up on my watchlist. I fixed it and then looked at some of the other recent contributions by this IP. They're mild degradations, sometimes then fixed immediately, changes from one unsourced assertion about some matter of which I have no knowledge to a different unsourced assertion, plus oddities such as a set of stylistic fixes to another editor's user page. It's my bedtime; can a couple of other people please take a look? (A knowledge of India might help.)

NB At this point I am asking about the (very diverse) edits, not the editor. -- Hoary (talk) 14:06, 14 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

These edits are things you can easily fix yourself. The IP may well be used by multiple anon users, but please feel free to leave a message on its page. If India specific articles are concerned, please also consider expressing your concern at WT:INB. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:39, 15 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Well, yes, thank you; and indeed I fixed a couple myself before posting the above (whereupon I went to bed). Well, some person or persons seems to have done something to most of the IP's edits. Good. -- Hoary (talk) 12:44, 15 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Pictures from history

Hi -

I posted an article on Pictures From History today and it has apparently been deleted, I presume because in some way it did not meet Wikipedia requirements.

Is there some way I can be informed what was wrong, please?

Dru2 (talk) 06:16, 16 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm looking into this for you. If you need help again from a Wikipedia help desk, please read the instructions at the top of the page before posting. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:58, 16 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The article was deleted because it did not comply with Wikipedia requirements or policy per the following deletion log which you would have seen when attempting to access the page: ‎ (A7: No explanation of the subject's significance (web content). It was not referenced - external links were to exhibits on that website. For more information on this policy, please see WP:A7. Please also follow the links in the welcome message on your talk page and consider contacting the deleting admin (Toddst1) as requested. Thanks. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:13, 16 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Interference from an under-informed Editor on Bourke Engine Article

I'm getting interference from an editor who has not read up on the complex subject of the Bourke Engine. I seek some assistance because the subject is drastically misunderstood, involves some very subtle and highly inter-dependent physics (mechanics) and chemistry, and has the rather unfortunate additional down-side that everyone in the world fully understands Otto Cycle Engines and genuinely believe that there is literally no better alternative in existence, neither mechanically nor chemically.

Whilst the interference continues, I'm going to have to revert all modifications made by this under-informed editor and then examine what it was that was made, to see if there is any beneficial input. I've twice found the "undo" process to fail, and, as the interference is so comprehensive, it's taking considerable time to revert the damage caused: thus it is simpler to revert to a prior revision and begin again.

I would welcome discussion by this individual who is interfering, with a view to contribution to improvement of this article, but not if they are going to make comments such as "do you actually understand any of this stuff" as revision commits, effectively being both an insult and categorising their modification as vandalism.

greatly appreciated. Lkcl (talk) 12:31, 16 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Greglocock#Bourke_Engine - reading of the world's only authoritative material on this subject (Bourke's life-works Documentation) is being described by this user as "fairy tales": this is personal insult, as well as psychological justification for continued interference (vandalism) of the article. Lkcl (talk) 12:42, 16 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There has been no discussion on the article talk page for one and a half years. Please begin a discussion there. You may wish to invite the other editor(s) to take part. Please remember also that edit summaries are for describing the edit, not for carrying out some obscure indirect conversation, and that you'll not foster good collaboration by simply threatening to get editors 'banned'. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:12, 16 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

noted. Lkcl, any comments you leave on my talk page will be ignored from now on. Use the article talk page. Greglocock (talk) 21:15, 16 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Quantitative Easing - Richard W. Fisher quote

The following quote was in the Quantitative Easing article in the printing money section:

Richard W. Fisher, president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas, has said that the US is monetizing debt through QE, referencing the additional $600 billion created for QE2, "For the next eight months, the nation's central bank will be monetizing the federal debt." ref:http://dallasfed.org/news/speeches/fisher/2010/fs101108.cfm This was placed in a suitable section. It was then removed by Lawrencekhoo (talk and he has been involved in edit warring since then. His motive seems to be to prevent anything going in the article that shows quantitative easing can cause inflation devaluation and can be used to monetize debt. His latest edit he has removed the reference to the speech and picked out a different quote that is different from the point that was meant to be made. Prior to this he made excuses that the quote is "out of context" and is not in the right section of the wikipedia article, basically any excuse he can think of to remove it.--Caparn (talk) 12:22, 17 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]