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A news item involving Death and state funeral of Kim Jong Il was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the In the news section on 20 December 2011.

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NPOV?

The article appears to begin with, and gives undue space to the theory that the Kim that died is not in fact the real Kim. It's cited to "an authority on Korea", but what are his credentials and how are those views accepted by other observers and pundits? --Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 02:12, 20 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This article is another fine example of recentism on Wikipedia

Usual wikipedian logic, "hey it's in the news, there are lots of sources, therefore it needs it's own article". Er no. This article only exists because it is happening now and it easy to pull "reliable" news reports off the web. It must be noted that with the advent of WP, just about every famous person who now dies can have one of these "shrine pages". Ironically for those famous and historical (and potentially more worthy) figures that died before this internet era, that honor will be eternally lacking for them.

It is particularly galling that this article only exists because western sycophants seem to happy to applaud the man, a dictator who is responsible for killing millions of his fellow countrymen, who hypocritically gave his own family a western lifestyle while allowing his own people to starve to death eating grass, for the death camps that operated in his name, and still do et al.

This is all WP:Recentism in a weeks time he will be forgotten and the Wiki-fapping will stop. But now this article is here, will this little homage to a nasty man be removed. Of course not! In comparison maybe it's time we had more articles regarding Hitler and what he did for 1930s Germany. Well that's rhetorical because 1. positive articles would be deleted on POV grounds and 2. Hitler is history so therefore a v.cold topic.

All in all there is nothing notable about this mad, bad dictators death. If anyone really knew anything about Korean history, you would be aware that the more notable death was Kim Il-Sung because Kim Jung-Il was forced to step up to the plate whereas this period of change in NK government has already been mapped out. Hmm but no article on the death of the Great Leader....what an un-surprise there!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.155.75.60 (talk) 13:52, 20 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Did you notice we have articles on particular sports matches? Exactly how is this less significant? And Kim Il-Sung didn't have nuclear weapons, but Kim Jong-Il did. And if he did kill millions of his own countrymen, then he's all the more notable, isn't he? Your own argument makes him notable. What, we should only cover good people or something? 76.65.128.198 (talk) 14:13, 20 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]