Talk:The Chronicles of Narnia

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Notes on recent changes

Just three quick notes on the recent improvements to the article:

Would it be appropriated in the Publication history section to mention the changes that Lewis made to the books when they were first published in the U.S? I think the individual changes are all documented in the articles for the individual books, so it might be better just to mention that Lewis made the changes.
I worry that the Main characters section could prove to be problematic as people add details and characters to the section over time. My own feeling is that Character sections are more appropriate on individual book articles rather on the article for the series. Having said that, I think I preferred the version from a few days ago with the Pevensie children listed separately.
I think we've lost too much of the Christian Parallels section when it was moved to the Religion in The Chronicles of Narnia article. We've kept Lewis's dislike of using the term allegory, but lost the suppositional parallels. My suggestion would be to either add the Lewis quote back to the Religious overtones section or add a Christianity subsection to the Influences section.

Nice work everyone on the recent changes to the article. LloydSommerer (talk) 02:45, 31 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Responses in order:

I think that's a good idea. As you say, it probably better just to say it happened, lest the section get too bloated
Well, there's a couple of ways to fix that. We could either leave a note here on the talk page, or a hidden edit note in the section itself, warning editors that a consensus was reached on which characters to include. Or we could condense it into bullet points (as Jhenderson777 suggested yesterday). FYI - my rationale for condensing the Pevensies was again due to bloat. It would be easy enough to restore if that's the agreed-upon action
OK, yeah, I was afraid of that. When I was editing it, it was a really fine line between keeping to the essentials and (yep, you guessed it - bloat :) The original material was all preserved when I fissioned-off the Religion in The Chronicles of Narnia article. I defer to your judgement in how to deal with this one since you obviously know the material better than I do. -- Jake Fuersturm (talk) 03:03, 31 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm done ... sort of

Lloyd, Josh, I think I've taken this about as far as I can for the time being, without further input from you or others. As far as I know, the only unresolved issues are the ones Lloyd lists above and finding a enough cite refs to satisfy the {{unreferenced section}} tags we got during copy edit. I think once we cover-off these points, we should be able to put the article into the queue for Peer Review. Thanks. -- Jake Fuersturm (talk) 17:11, 2 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Haven't had a chance to take it in, but I'll say thanks for the hard work. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 17:22, 2 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'll second that. Thanks, Jake! oknazevad (talk) 19:15, 2 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I appreciate it. Now that you say you're done I might just go back to work once again. I am mostly pleased but I would love more sources in the future. And I will test the character format as well. But I do appreciate your step in. And I might even avoid the sandbox this time just to prove that I actually did participate helping at this article as well. I just figured it would be easier at the time. :) Jhenderson⁷⁷⁷ 19:30, 2 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks guys - and definitely more sources, I've encountered enough deletionists in my short time here to conclude that there's no such thing as enough reliable sources! Happy to have you guys continue with bringing it to GA - I'll definitely still be involved, just a little less, since the G.I. Joe articles are getting hit pretty hard right now :( -- Jake Fuersturm (talk) 19:40, 2 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Guys, heads up - I'm outta here. Sorry, but you'll have to walk the last few steps to GA on your own. Seriously need to take a break from Wikipedia. Take care, and best of luck. -- Jake Fuersturm (talk) 16:03, 11 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Overlooked topic?

Hi,

I'm not sure how to ask/bring this up, but I was wondering if there is some mention due to the supposed late night conversation/apparent wager between C.S. Lewis and J.R.R. Tolkien that purportedly spurred each man to create their respective masterpieces, The Chronicles of Narnia and The Lord of the Rings?

I had heard various iterations of this from different sources over the years and recently found this article on the topic:

http://dir.salon.com/books/feature/2003/12/03/tolkien_lewis/index.html

Thanks,

Lansharked (talk) 02:07, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'll let the domain specialists discuss it here. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:15, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Good find. Sounds like something that might work on the Influences section here. And it also might be useful on the C.S. Lewis, J.R.R. Tolkien articles as well. Jhenderson⁷⁷⁷ 14:02, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The conversation in no way constitutes a "wager"!!! It is a literary discussion about the relationship of myth, faith, and spirituality. The conversation certainly spurred Tolkien to further writing, but its main influence on Lewis was catalyzing his conversion to Christianity. His decision to write the Narnia books came much later. The characterization of this conversation by Lansharked is really rather misleading!!!--WickerGuy (talk) 19:48, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I probably missed reading bits and pieces of this source. But I haven't noticed the source constitutioning a wager. Most of the source did seem to explain what I already knew about Lewis and Tolkien, the whole friendship and them being a member of the Inklings. Information like that I remember removing for it's more necessary on the author's articles and the group article itself. A few mentioning of the influences the source seemed to state which chould be good on the influence section but what's on the source is probably already on the article already. Jhenderson⁷⁷⁷ 20:06, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Aslan = Christ

It's worth noting after the Main Characters / Aslan comment of 'C. S. Lewis [describing] Aslan as an alternative version of Jesus that is: "as the form in which Christ might have appeared in a fantasy world," ' that in chapter 16 of The Voyage of the Dawn Treader the following conversation strengthens the point:

“Please, Aslan,” said Lucy. “Before we go, will you tell us when we can come back to Narnia again? Please. And oh, do, do, do make it soon.” “Dearest,” said Aslan very gently, “you and your brother will never come back to Narnia.” “Oh, Aslan!!” said Edmund and Lucy both together in despairing voices. “You are too old, children,” said Aslan, “and you must begin to come close to your own world now.” “It isn't Narnia, you know,” sobbed Lucy. “It's you. We shan't meet you there. And how can we live, never meeting you?” “But you shall meet me, dear one,” said Aslan. “Are are you there too, Sir?” said Edmund. “I am,” said Aslan. “But there I have another name. You must learn to know me by that name. This was the very reason why you were brought to Narnia, that by knowing me here for a little, you may know me better there.”

I am, so perculiarly placed in here, is a reference to one of God's names in the Bible (Exo 3:14, c.f. Jn 6:35; 8:12,58; 10:9,14; 11:25; 13:13; 14:6; 15:5; 18:8), and the other Name which he specifically speaks of is presumed to be Jesus - who, incidentally, is known as the Lion of Judah. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.228.108.178 (talk) 07:57, 8 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This appears to be your analysis. What you're missing is a reliable source that says this. When backed by reliable references, it would be appropriate to mention this in the article. -- Elphion (talk) 16:36, 3 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

People are missing the fact that Lewis himself confirmed that Aslan was Christ - as Christ might have appeared in a fantasy world. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.237.104.5 (talk) 02:37, 24 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This is already overtly stated in the article. Don't know if it was added after this exchange or not. Could trace the history to find out.--WickerGuy (talk) 03:26, 24 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Inclusion in witchcraft template

This article is included in the {{Witchcraft}} navbox (which I somehow did not notice when I removed the navbox in ). Why? Sure, the series features a witch, but so do many, many fantasy novels. Some works of fiction are about witchcraft, and some merely feature it. This seems to me to be the latter, and I don't see why it belongs there, as there's no reason to bloat the navbox with every fantasy series that features a magic user (or to bloat those articles with the navbox). Thoughts? --Fru1tbat (talk) 14:29, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps this question would be better asked at the navbox itself. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:33, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Probably true, and done. Discussion here: Template talk:Witchcraft#Criteria for inclusion. --Fru1tbat (talk) 15:13, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

When did the witchcraft navbox get added? Has it been there for a while? You'd think that after all the editing I'd done on this article in March/April I would have noticed it, LOL :P -- Jake Fuersturm (talk) 19:23, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Arrived about 18 hours ago. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 19:45, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, my bad, I only looked at the edit that deleted it. :P -- Jake Fuersturm (talk) 19:59, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Articles for Deletion: Narnia Timeline

Just a note that the narnian timeline article has been nominated for deletion. If you have have feelings, feel free to leave them. I can see what the nominator is saying, but he's saying it about all of the fiction articles that have "timeline" in them. LloydSommerer (talk) 22:34, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Quick comment on "Influences from Mythology and Cosmology ..."

"On the other hand, Narnia scholar Paul F. Ford finds Ward's assertion that Lewis intended The Chronicles to be an embodiment of medieval astrology implausible.[2]" ... Paul F. Ford links to a non-existent page. Further, the reference [2] is to a book that was published before ref 29, which it is supposed to challenge. Should this be fixed? Exiled from GROGGS (talk) 14:08, 17 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]