Talk:Azerbaijan

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passage

The following passage in the main article is factually out of context/sequence and seems to be a disguised anti-Armenian attack: 'In 2007, during the construction of a stadium, constructors discovered the Guba mass grave. Studies by Azerbaijani and foreign scientists have confirmed the human remains found there to be of local residents of various nationalities, including Jews and Lezgins who were killed in the 1918 massacre carried out by Armenians.[62] To date, the remains of 600 people have been found, including about 50 children and 100 women.[63]' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.75.34.105 (talk) 16:56, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Northern Iran

Since a huge number of Iranian population are Azeri (Including me!) and those people are genetically related to other Iranic Peoples, I think the term "Northern Iran" is both historically and logically more accurate.

according to many histories azerbaijan people are a mixture between proto turkish people like scythians and huns and later turkish people like khazars and seljuks and later during mongol invasion some uighor turkish tribes immigrated to the area, the north and south azerbaijan has been a turkic accomodated area for at least 3500 years, geneticaly azeri people are so close to people of turkey, common turkic looks is white skinned and colored eyes with hairs varying between black to pure blond, this is while persians of iran are brown and semitic, genetics of turkic people are also very similar to many east european nations because of massive cuman, kipchak, bulgar, khazar and other turkic tribes immigrations to the east europe countries, this is while persians have the closest genetic traits to Arabic and semitic people, based on the historical facts it is quite wrong to consider azerbaijan an iranian area, the only known government in azerbaijan were local khanats, later during the safavid dynasty of iran (which were also a turkic clan) ottoman empire captured azerbaijan, but the area remained under khanat feudal systems until russian empire and qajar dynasty of iran commensed some claims over the area and at last a war begun between qajars and russians over deviding the lands, after many years of war they agreed to put the arax river as the border line, since then north azerbaijan was under russian and later soviet rule and south azerbaijan occupied by iran, nowaday north azerbaijan has gained its independence but south azerbaijan is still under iran's cruelty. the population of azeri turks in iran are at least estimated to be about 20 million souls, this must not be the source of mistake about considering persians as whites, those are iranian azeri turks, persians are a brown semitic people. also this is a very accurate map about the azeri accomodated areas in iran: http://www.joshuaproject.net/profiles/maps/m18859_ir.pdf more references: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_origins_of_the_Turkish_people http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Seljuq_Empire http://southaz.blogspot.com/2010/07/irans-multi-cultural-and-multi-ethnic.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkic_peoples http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ural-Altaic_languages http://www.iranian.com/main/blog/jahanshah-javid/genetics-iranians-least-similar-europeans-or-other-near-easterners http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qizilbash http://www.technologyreview.com/biomedicine/21326/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Azerbaijan#Azerbaijan_Democratic_Republic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turanid_race http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/ancient/tomyris.html

Page move

As the term Azerbaijan needs disambiguation in many occasions . I think moving the present page to Republic of Azerbaijan is reasonable .--Alborz Fallah (talk) 10:19, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

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POV ethnic map

Recently user Yerevanci has been waging an edit-war on this page, [1], [2], [3], [4], [5]. User Yerevanci attempted implement several POV changes, with his map, which was with error and had misleading legend. He was notified on the invalidity of the map [6]. First of all. what is the source of this map? Second, ethnic Armenians live in Nagorno-Karabakh, the regions surrounding NK are unpopulated or sparsely populated. Yet this fact is not reflected in this map, in fact the opposite is depicted. Third, in order to prevent a edit-war, an ethnic map of Armenia should also be introduced into the Armenia article. I have restored the previous picture, until a consensus can be reached on this issue. Mursel (talk) 19:59, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

OK, first the source is clearly written here. Second, after your notification, I changed the map now it does show Talysh people and the surrounding area of NK is shown as sparsely Armenian-inhabited area. Third, I think it would have been great, but the ethnic composition of Armenia is 98% Armenian and there are only 2 ethnic minorities (Yezidisi and Russians) that exceed 10,000 and there are only about 20 Yezidi-inhabited villages and that's it. If you wanna make a map with just showing one color, go ahead, do it. In my opinion, there's no need for that.--Yerevanci (talk) 20:42, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the source, but there is clear POV adjustments on your part. Sparsely populated regions are supposed to be grey colored, as it says in the legend. Also the source uses neutral colors for the ethnic groups, please stick to the neutral coloring and not red and green for Armenians and Azerbaijanis. Given your previous attempts to introduce ethnic groups in Azerbaijan as active separatist movements it is best to stick close to the original source. Mursel (talk) 11:07, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

"Sparsely populated regions are supposed to be grey colored, as it says in the legend"

They are, there do you see any other color labeled as "sparsely populated"??

"Given your previous attempts to introduce ethnic groups in Azerbaijan as active separatist movements it is best to stick close to the original source."

Well, if you think that Nagorno-Karabakh isn't an active separatist movement, then that's your problem. It is DE FACTO united with Armenia and the official borders have no power over the will of people. --Yerevanci (talk) 14:31, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

No they are not portrayed grey, they are drawn with stripes of red and grey. If the map and legend are to be accurate, they should be fully grey. And you attempted to introduce other ethnic groups, aside Armenian, as active seperatist groups. That proofs your POV attitude on this subject. Mursel (talk) 13:08, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

OK, here look at this map. This is the one that my map is based on. Carefully look at the areas you say should be completely gey. They are labeled as sparsely populated, but with small yellow bars which mean that Armenians do live there, but not as comapct as in fully yellow areas. I don't see any reason why you get nervious on this subject. I, personally, am a supporter of the truth. As you can see in Azerbaijanis in Armenia article, I actually took my time and created a map, which shows Azeri-inhabited areas in Armenia in 1926 and now you say that I'm a promoter of falsifaying facts and showing that passive separatist movemnts are active?? Yes, the Lezgian separatist movement is active. It's a fact. The problem is you don't wanna see what you don't like. I'll advice you look a better look at yourself first. --Yerevanci (talk) 23:47, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

No Yerevanci, you failed to provide any sources for your claims that Lezgi and Talysh separatist movement are active in Azerbaijan. The fact that you still try to introduce it as an active separatist factor indicates your falsification attempts. Thats why Im carefully reviewing this map. Your legend differs from the source, yours mentions that sparsely populated areas should be depicted in the color grey. Another point I made earlier, and you ignored, is the usage of colors. I suggest you edit your map to reflect the colors used by the source. Mursel (talk) 18:56, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

My efforts to show the Lezgi and Talyh movements as active CLEARLY do not have any association with this question. The legend now CORRESPONDS to the map and please do not bring up this question again. Please, asnwer to my question, is the issue with colors the only problem?? If yes, I'll change them.--Yerevanci (talk) 00:34, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

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Incomplete/meaningless text in 2nd paragraph

"The country was among the birthplaces of mankind."

Which means what exactly? Religious/historical beliefs aside, this is very confusing.

"Located at the heart of ancient civilizations."

Fragment! Consider revising! I guess this should just be stuck together with the previous sentence.

Please could someone do something with this! I don't have the knowledge to know what to correct. Thanks, OrbiterSpacethingy (talk) 18:02, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

The whole intro is junk, very POV and not in real English. Sounds like it was written by someone from Azerbaijan's Board of Tourism or something. This level of quality is totally unacceptable in an important article like this. LRT24 (talk) 17:33, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Agreed. Sounds like it was written by an Azerbaijani travel agent whose command of English was sketchy. Sca (talk) 15:02, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 19 January 2012

Hi, I noticed that, in the history section, the article says "Albania" instead of "Azerbaijan." That's all! 24.91.192.114 (talk) 22:53, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

 Not done See Caucasian Albanians, where this is explained. 'Albania' (and variation -ns) appears four times in the text and once in the references; all are correct, and are not linked to the modern nation 'Albania'. Dru of Id (talk) 00:56, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

"Eastern Front"

During World War II, Azerbaijan played a crucial role in the strategic energy policy of Soviet Union, with most of the Soviet Union's oil on the Eastern Front being supplied by Baku.

1) The Soviet Union only had one front in WWII. "Eastern Front" is a term from the German point of view. From the Soviet point of view, it was simply the front — not to mention that it was in the west, not east, viewed from Moscow.

2) "Strategic energy policy" is a highfalutin bureaucratic phrase devoid of real meaning. The underlying reality was that most of the Soviet Union's petroleum came from the oilfields of Azerbaijan, through Baku.

Sca (talk) 15:02, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Locator map

Why do we have locator maps that appear to be devised for visitors from outer space? How about just a simple map of the region, with type large enough to be read at a glance? This is what a locator map is. (I speak as an ex-newspaper editor.) Sca (talk) 15:02, 20 January 2012 (UTC)