Talk:Women in China

Problems for this page

There are serious problems for this page.

1. poorly written. Note the title of "in the PRC", but the article has elements talking about 1920s and suddenly talk about party leader. Hello! PRC starts from the year 1949.
2. lack of citations. Yes, I noticed that the text is copied from a place, but that article is NOT an original research and contains NO references.
3. full of opinions. When could "hints" ever be facts? Particularly when they were hints without references.

Coconut99 99 (talk) 16:15, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Original text prior removal

The text is totally unacceptable since it has 0 references. Prior blanking, I move the content here so you can see for yourself. Words such as "fewer" need referencing statistics. This is Wikipedia, not a political forum (and hence copy / paste of U.S. view of Chinese society), particularly when U.S. records are worse than China in areas of abortion rights, and political involvements etc. Coconut99 99 (talk) 18:24, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Traditional Chinese society has been traditionally male-centered. Sons were preferred to daughters, and women were expected to be subordinate to fathers, husbands, and sons. A young woman had little voice in the decision on her marriage partner (neither did a young man). When married, it was she who left her natal family and community and went to live in a family and community of strangers where she was subordinate to her mother-in-law. Far fewer women were educated than men, and sketchy but consistent demographic evidence would seem to show that female infants and children had higher death rates and less chance of surviving to adulthood than males. In extreme cases, female infants were the victims of infanticide, and daughters were sold, as chattels, to brothels or to wealthy families. Bound feet, which were customary even for peasant women, symbolized the painful constraints of the female role.

Protests and concerted efforts to alter women's place in society began in China's coastal cities in the early years of the twentieth century. By the 1920s formal acceptance of female equality was common among urban intellectuals. Increasing numbers of girls attended schools, and young secondary school and college students approved of marriages based on free choice. Footbinding declined rapidly in the second decade of the century, the object of a nationwide campaign led by intellectuals who associated it with national backwardness.

Nevertheless, while party leaders condemned the oppression and subordination of women as one more aspect of the traditional society they were intent on changing, they did not accord feminist issues very high priority. In the villages, party members were interested in winning the loyalty and cooperation of poor and lower-middle-class male peasants, who could be expected to resist public criticism of their treatment of their wives and daughters. Many party members were poor and lower-middle-class peasants from the interior, and their attitudes toward women reflected their background. The party saw the liberation of women as depending, in a standard Marxist way, on their participation in the labor force outside the household.

The position of women in contemporary society has changed from the past, and public verbal assent to propositions about the equality of the sexes and of sons and daughters seems universal. Women attend schools and universities, serve in the People's Liberation Army, and join the party. Almost all urban women and the majority of rural women work outside the home. But women have been disadvantaged in many ways, economic and social, and there had been no prospect for substantive change.

The greatest change in women's status has been their movement into the paid labor force. The jobs they held in the 1980s, though, were generally lower paying and less desirable than those of men. Industries staffed largely by women, such as the textiles industry, paid lower wages than those staffed by men, such as the steel or mining industries. Women were disproportionately represented in collective enterprises, which paid lower wages and offered fewer benefits than state-owned industries. In the countryside, the work of males was consistently better rewarded than that of women, and most skilled and desirable jobs, such as driving trucks or repairing machines, were held by men. In addition, Chinese women suffered the familiar double burden of full-time wage work and most of the household chores as well.

As there come to be both more opportunities and more explicit competition for them in both city and countryside, there are some hints of women's being excluded from the competition. In the countryside, a disproportionate number of girls drop out of primary school because parents do not see the point of educating a daughter who will marry and leave the family and because they need her labor in the home. There are fewer female students in key rural and urban secondary schools and universities. As economic growth in rural areas generates new and potentially lucrative jobs, there is a tendency in at least some areas for women to be relegated to agricultural labor, which is poorly rewarded. There have been reports in the Chinese press of outright discrimination against women in hiring for urban jobs and of enterprises requiring female applicants to score higher than males on examinations for hiring.

On the whole, in the 1980s women were better off than their counterparts 50 or a 100 years before, and they had full legal equality with men. In practice, their opportunities and rewards were not entirely equal, and they tended to get less desirable jobs and to retain the burden of domestic chores in addition to full-time jobs.

You should have just added some fact tags. To remove the whole lot without warning is not proper - it doesn't give anyone a chance to sort it out. Really you should put fact tags on and then leave it for about a month. John Smith's (talk) 20:02, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

This article is a complete whitewash, but I agree that the last version was probably OR. I'm going to change it. Alexwoods (talk) 19:53, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Other sections to add

From Coconut: gender imbalance, women in engineering (women in workplace a better general topic). From me: female infanticide, women in government? Alexwoods (talk) 20:57, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Copyvio

"On July 21, 2008, the All China women's Federation reported that in Nanjing, China, it was reported that several wives cut off their husband's penis because they could not stand that their husbands were gambling or cheating on them. These are classified as a "crime of impulsion" by prosecutors in Nanjing, because the women go through an "emotional crisis". Most of these female criminals were younger than 35, and receive only a suspended sentence or one below three years, and are sent back home"

[http://www.womenofchina.cn/html/report/94105-1.htm Procurators working in rural areas of Nanjing admitted that there had been several cases, in which the wife intentionally harmed her husband by cutting off his penis. A procurator on the case said: "Their reasons are simple. The wife could not bear the fact that her husband is gambling or cheating on her. It is a crime of impulsion in an emotional crisis." Li Aijun, director of the public prosecution branch in the Nanjing municipal procuratorate, said: "Women are always vulnerable to harm in a relationship and marriage. It is hard for them to change their situation. So they tend to use an extreme means."

In cases concerning female suspects, 80 percent of the women are charged with a suspended sentence or a sentence less than three years. Sun Xiaozhong, deputy director of the Nanjing Bureau of Justice, said that it is a better choice to sentence women who have committed minor crimes with a non-imprisonment penalty and send them back home. It is for their own good, and society as well.]Bunser (talk) 22:16, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Please explain how this is copyright violation. Tengu800 18:44, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Article Proposal

Hello Everybody! I propose to edit this entry to improve the level of comprehension, increase the number of scholarly sources, and expand on areas not discussed in the original entry. I believe that these edits are critical because Women in the People's Republic of China is a significant topic that deserves proper attention on Wikipedia. The current Wikipedia category of Women’s Rights in Asia has one subcategory for China. Unfortunately this subcategory only discusses the violence agaisnt women in China, which leads to the Wiki entry on Bride-buying. Although bride buying is a significant aspect of gender inequality in China, it does not begin to effectively present the entire issue. Currently, Wikipedia has an entry that broadly covers Gender Inequality with a subsection titled “Gender Inequality Across the Globe.” Under this subsection there exists a very brief summary of international gender inequality issues followed by a discussion of gender inequality in the United States. There is no reference to the gender disparities that plague China. The topic of gender inequality in the People's Republic of China is a very significant issue that has been researched and published in a number of scholarly journals and has received attention from influential international organization, such as the United Nations. In order to allocate the proper attention to this topic, my new entry will include subsections on legislation, cultural/societal norms, and implications in regards to family structure, education, healthcare, and employment. In order to provide detailed discussion of each subsection, I have found a significant number of scholarly resources, such as works by the World Bank and Amartya Sen. I hope that other contributors will continue my contributions by adding subsections including but not limited to, the history of gender inequality and the impacts of gender inequality on sexuality. I also hope that later contributors will expand the section on crimes against women.

I will be completing this entry under the guidance of a Poverty, Justice, and Development course at Rice University. I have added the banner to the top of this page if you would like further information. If you have any suggestions for the execution of my proposed entry, please let me know. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated! Thank you. Nqogu (talk) 16:44, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

You've made good changes! I have some suggestions. The lead section could use expansion. Ideally it should be at least two paragraphs. You can visit WP: LEAD for more information. Also, “advancing progress” seems redundant. In "Progress in promoting equality," it seems a bit strange to have an entire section just be a quote. It's good information, but maybe you should break it up or bring in another source. The "Gender inequality" section technically applies to most of the article, doesn’t it? For instance, the gender gap in education could fit there, too. Maybe move foot binding to "Crimes against women" and just change the "Gender inequality" section to "Domestic Life," since the only subsection you have under "Gender inequality" is "Domestic Life." Alissahart (talk) 00:51, 8 April 2012 (UTC)