Talk:Garfield Heights, Ohio

Musical Culture

I removed this section as it seems to not have an NPOV. If you put it back, please site sources to back your claim. --Zizzybaluba 18:29, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Changes

The I-480 freeway did not open until 1974. The Police Officer who was killed was Sargeant Dennis Glivar, it was not a hostage situation but a shootout where Glivar was shot in the hallway of an apartment building. Eight people -not nine-died on august 8th 1976 when a tractor trailer ran into and over seven cars on Granger Rd hill. randazzo56 02:29, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

History

I did some edits to the history section, working with an anonymous editor. I removed the potentially damaging/libelous statements. The whole section needs a good deal more citations. Cephyr 02:40, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

More comments were removed, along with some corrections to the terrible spelling. I believe a citation is needed for the article references in the history section (regarding the toxicity of the materials in the landfill site). I did read it myself recently, but I don't have specifics. I believe it was the January 10th issue of Scene, but can't back that up. Regardless, much of the 'venom' was edited out of the statements. I have indicated which comments require citation. anonymous 9:41, 5 February 2007—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 204.9.5.134 (talk • contribs) 2007-02-05T16:01:12.

I feel I should warn you then, the City of Garfield Heights does not upkeep this website -- volunteers, both locals and non do. - A.J. (talk) 17:53, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Literacy

never was a requirment for residency in Garfield Hts, Cziki bogu jestem polski?

Add-A-Boy

You guys are doing swell job. Kaltenborn (talk)

Removed Sections

Violent Crime

On 8/15/94 apartment dweller Harry (Don) Mitts shoots down and kills an unarmed neighbor in an apparent racial attack against bi-racial couples. Mitts then ambushes a young Police sargeant in his apartment hallway, killing him. Mitts then baracades himself for several hours as police from neighboring cities-under mutual aid-exchange shots with the drunken Mits. Garfield Hts Police as well as Maple Heights Paramedics crash his door finding him pig-drunk. Mits sits on death row. Later in the year, on 12/12/94 two Police officers are killed when thier car breaks into a four wheel drift at a near by Cleveland intersection and strikes a steel pole roof first while in pursuit of a suspicious Cheverolet Blazer. The fugitive is quickly arrested and represented by Attorney George Forbes. He will go on to repeat this trick with the Cleveland Police.

July 1985(?) Joe Lawrence approaches a nieghbors party armed with a .12 gauge shotgun and kills a young couple named Moody. He then throws Police into controlled panic when he simply stalks off. He surrenders days later and awaites leathal injection.

Dead on the road

0n 8/8/76 a semi tractor trailor driven by a drunken African-American Michigander careens down Granger hill and directly into seven cars. Screams and body parts fly as the tractor trailor rolls over and crushes the flaming cars. Two of the victims, a young couple recently engaged, were buried in the same casket. One womans severed arm was never found. The driver is found guilty of four counts of vehicular manslaughter (although he killed eight people) and was sent to a Michigan Sanatarium, he died in 1992. It takes Firefighters and volunteers nine hours to clear the debris and Human wreckage. Disaster bags are ordered by City Council in 1965 after an eight year old boy is crushed by a steelhauling flat truck on the whitehouse crossing bridge. This conveniently directs attention from the fact that the sidewalk, which was in a state of disrepair, was significantly unsafe for anyone on a bicycle. The most common form of traffic fatality was the pedestrian-VS-Bus. With 36 of these attrocities to be cleaned up from 1950 through 1956 alone.

I removed the above two sections because they don't seem very encycleopedic ("Screams and body parts fly as the tractor trailor rolls over and crushes the flaming cars") sounds more like a Haunted Ohio book. And there's no citations. One of the dates are even followed by a question mark. I'm not saying it didn't happen, I'm just saying I don't believe its something that belongs in an article on Garfield Heights the city. - A.J. (talk) 17:53, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Explain

Define "encyclopedic". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.241.145.76 (talk) 21:38, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Why not?

Just becouse you dont feel something is "encycleopedic" doesnt mean those events dont have a place in history. Since when should only favorable or "nice" events be included in the history of the city? While these additions may seem harsh they did in fact take place. Since you take such an interest in Garfield Hts why not site these events and put them back in the article?Kaltenborn (talk) 23:08, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Revisions

To the timeline were scourced from various articles taken from the Cleveland Press and Garfield Hts Leader by the literary giant formerly known as "Kaltenborn" 66.72.192.85 (talk) 23:14, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Our Thanks

To the Garfield Hts Historical Society for timeline information 204.16.90.8 (talk) 18:53, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Whoever

Removed the section on fallen officers, why? next time try signing in Meanfrank (talk) 00:03, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

I did. It's not encyclopedic, cited to any independent sources, relevant, or appropriate for such an article. FYI, I removed it again, for the above reasons. Go and look at any big city's wiki page, (Cleveland, Detroit, take your pick) and you're not going to see a "fallen officers" section.192.5.109.49 (talk) 14:08, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Who are you, why not sign in? define "encyclopedic". Its a part of Garfield Hts history which makes it relevant. Its all a mater of public record. We are not concerned with other citys and their wikipages. Meanfrank (talk) 22:57, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a memorial. The material is question is quite evidently of that nature. We do not record the deaths of police officers on duty anywhere as a matter of course for that precise reason, and this is no exception. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 10:20, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

I support the removal of this material as unsourced, and thus until sourced and shown to be notable, not encyclopedic. i would strongly encourage anyone who wants this material to be available to the public to find, or create, an officer's memorial site, and build it to the point that IT becomes notable and worthy of an article. some fallen officers do become notable, its fairly easy to show that, (the 2009 police shootings in oakland are an example, as the officers who fell got massive public attention, thus we wrote on it), so if someone thinks any of these deaths are notable by WP standards, just show the coverage, as it extends beyond this city. did any of their deaths start a memorial society? was there a day named in their honor statewide or county wide (if a major county by population), did their death lead to new legislation around deaths of their sort, did the story get picked up by international media due to some unusual element? the sections as written give no indication that these were other than routine (if tragic and senseless) police force events.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 02:59, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Nonsense

Every Officer who lost his life deserves at least national fame, media attention and a statewide memorial as has been the case in all such tragedies. The circumstances surounding the deaths of the Officers is indicitive of the state of society at the time, no matter how static. Each death tells an intricate story and is an important part of the history of any city. To catagorize the deaths as common is to show ones self as a fool. How can you say a fact hasnt been cited when it was published in contemporary major and local newspapers? Fatalities are not a routine part of law enforcment. Busceda (talk) 02:09, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

as does every mother who dies defending their child, every fallen soldier, every civilian killed in crossfire, every firefighter killed in a fire, every social worker killed by a client, every ER doctor who is shot in the ER, every EMT who dies in a crash delivering a patient, and every child who dies of disease or mistreatment that could have been prevented. the world is a veil of tears. we will not fix that here. All we ask here is that an individuals death be relatively notable as referenced in somewhat neutral sources: local papers, city/state papers, magazine articles, TV documentaries, etc. If you can find the references, add the material. No one is categorizing the deaths as common, and calling someone a fool for trying to do their volunteer work here is not worthy of an editor here. In Alameda County, California, there is a memorial to all children who die as a result of violence, with a grove of trees, one for each year, and a cement/stone circle, with metal plaques for each year of names, with a poem in their honor. its not well known, but it matters to the families and others. I will add such memorial sites to any article on any city if i hear of the site as described in a reliable source. If people are too callous to not honor their dead properly, we cant make up for that here, but we can document notable instances of such memorializing.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 06:53, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

I just read through the article quickly. I see 3 officers died in 1994. i am sure that local or state papers commented on this, as the city's population is under 40k. Why, Id say the 2 officers who died should probably have their names mentioned. A lot of the material in this article is unsourced and of exclusively local interest, but this fact is not. so, perhaps someone who is passionate about this city (a resident) would be willing to provide sources for these facts? I am not going to remove info here, as i can see from the edit history that theres a whole lot of heat, but not much light (sourcing), and i would prefer to not engage in a futile edit war. To my way of thinking, concise, well documented articles for smaller cities make a better impression on the reader than trivia loaded, boosterish articles, which this verges on to say the least.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 07:18, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

What?

Although three Officers died you choose to recognize two, what does that tell us as to the state of your mind? Define "boosterish". These events are reported on regardless of the citys population. The heat comes from fools deleting known facts. These facts that you find questionable can be scourced through the Clevlena Plain Dealer and the defunct Garfield Hts Leader as well as the Garfield Hts Nieghborhood News. How can any article be "well documented" when capricious edits can be made based on the opinion of fools? Busceda (talk) 17:28, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Revisions

The information on Jeffry Lawrence walking away from the scene of the double homocide can be scourced through the Cleveland Plain Dealer as well as the Garfield Heights Leader. I put it back as some asshole calling himself "overthinker" chose to remove it previously Meanfrank (talk) 17:05, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Reverted

The older more explicite version can be scourced by those scources listed, I.E. The Garfield Hts Leader and the Cleveland Press. Busceda (talk) 03:42, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Meteor

The purchase of the ambulance can be cited through the Garfield Hts Historical Society, where proof of these events is for all to see.Busceda (talk) 00:17, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Merely saying it can be cited isn't really enough, everything in a Wikipedia article should be cited as per WP:REF. I can see you've added material based on personal knowledge, I appreciate you doing that but just saying "Look it up in this newspaper" isn't sufficient for actual verification. Dayewalker (talk) 00:22, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Basic Demographics!!!???

The overwhelming majority of wiki city/ town pages have a demographics section -- income, race, age, percentage living below the poverty level, etc. It's pretty standard and VERY encyclopedic. Why is it missing from this wiki page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Norlns22 (talk • contribs) 11:15, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Because nobody has done it yet? Thank you for your suggestion. When you believe an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the edit this page link at the top.
The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes—they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills. New contributors are always welcome. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons why you might want to). --Orange Mike | Talk 15:55, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

reprinting Wikipedia information into my newsletter

 I write a newsletter (it has not ads, I make no $ from it, it is paid for by me) for my Ward.  I am a City Councilwoman.  Can I cut and paste or reprint articles from Wikipedia into my newsletter?  Do I need your permission to do so, and if I do, how do I get it.  I think Wikipedia is a treasure trove of information regarding my community.  Some of which will really interest my readers!  Thank you - Nancy

reprinting Wikipedia information into my newsletter

 I write a newsletter (it has not ads, I make no $ from it, it is paid for by me) for my Ward.  I am a City Councilwoman.  Can I cut and paste or reprint articles from Wikipedia into my newsletter?  Do I need your permission to do so, and if I do, how do I get it.  I think Wikipedia is a treasure trove of information regarding my community.  Some of which will really interest my readers!  Thank you - Nancy